RE: [TruthTalk] Prayer Request

2004-06-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Judy, I hate to hear this awful scary news, but trust that the Lord has a plan for His glory.  I pray the Lord will put Jenna on my mind often so I can keep her lifted in prayer constantly.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Fr

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and violence

2004-06-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Bill, I believe we are to obey the government as long as it does not violate our conscience. We obey God first, government 2nd. When the Revolutionaries fought for freedom from oppression (on many levels) I believe they were laying their lives on the line for what their conscience told them

RE: [TruthTalk] Prayer Request

2004-06-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Chris, I must have missed that—would you kindly provide the scriptural admonition against having a blood TRANSFUSION??? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barr Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTa

RE: [TruthTalk] Fighting for liberty and freedom

2004-06-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Chris, If you don’t like the way this website is administered, or if it causes you much bitterness, why do you stay—just to irritate yourself? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barr Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECT

[TruthTalk] cybernetic Third Temple?

2004-06-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer&cid=1088046779549   I’m always interested in end-time events.  This looks like a perfect example of how the masses can be manipulated into a futuristic “one world religion” idea through secular means.  Izzy  

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and Violence

2004-06-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
I wonder how many more Jews (and others) would have died if every Christian refused to fight for them.  Certainly America would still be an English colony if some Christians had not fought for independence here.  Izzy   I wonder how many Jewish lives pacifism would have cost i

RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

2004-06-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Interesting websites, and interesting subject, Jonathan.  But don’t you think that generational “curses” (such as genetic “imprinting” of sinful behavior, for lack of a better way to put it) can be passed down from generation to generation? I believe you have children, and there is no bigge

[TruthTalk] Soul Ties

2004-06-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Here’s a question for you all.  Do you believe there are such things a “soul ties”?  If so, what are they, and how do they work? Izzy  

RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, We will have to disagree on that.  Or perhaps you agree that every sentence in scripture is “divinely” true, but not useful in imparting truthful revelation? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Certainly, all scripture i

RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
One could take the position that, because it wasn’t mentioned in scripture, that an activity is either sinful, or is not sinful—depending upon what you prefer.  I think this is one of those hard areas where we have to conclude right from wrong from what is in the Word.  (Is it sinful to use

RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
What some folks will do just to be a “spring chicken”.  That makes me older than you, Terry.  Maybe the oldest one here on TT? (Oh, my!) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Su

RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
l probably support my 'sense' of this observation.I believe this to be as true of Christians as non-christians.   ST: just a close friendship. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 28, 2004 00:16 Sub

RE: [TruthTalk] Prayer Request

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
I would love to hear Slade’s response to this post. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Actually, the person of God never changes but His administration does.  Obviously.  For example  --  the fact that His original covenant i

RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
What is that about? Did I miss a post from David? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin   I add my a

[TruthTalk] God the time traveler

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
I think that as we gain increasing knowledge of science we will come to the conclusion that time is something that God has put us into the realm of (bad grammar!), while He stands on the outside.  We already know that time is one speed on earth and a different rate depending on how far out

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and Violence

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, Could you elaborate on this statement? Which groups? I, for example, “hate” the RCC. But I love Catholics (such as my own family members, friends, and public people that I know.)  Have you ever been to America? Are all religious groups in Canada schmoozing and singing, “We are the Wo

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and Violence

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
m 'nations'. From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 27, 2004 23:57 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and Violence   I wonder how many more Jews (and others) would have died if every Christian refused to fight for them.  Certainly Ameri

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and Violence

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
. None, notta, don't exist, el hugeo mistako. Nor, are there christian values or morals. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 29, 2004 07:18 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and Violence   Lance, You are right. Am

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and Violence

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
he Lie from the Liar?, the whatever from the whatever?? I don't, you don't & God doesn't, as I see it. ----- Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 29, 2004 07:18 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and Violence

RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Yes, the Word is also a history book that records a lot of right and wrong thinking.  It doesn’t mean we can’t trust the divine truth of scripture—I know now that you agree with this. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and Violence

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, God does hate the sinner with the sin.  He also loves him enough to die for him to offer him a way out of His wrath.  Divine paradox. Izzy   Hosea 9:15 All their evil is at Gilgal; Indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of M

RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and Violence

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Violence   Izzy:words 'mean' things. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 29, 2004 10:17 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Christians and Violence   What does THAT mean Izzy   Fr

RE: [TruthTalk] God the time traveler

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance,   God never changed. Do you ever base your opinions upon the Bible? God can change His mind, but HE never changes. Izzy    John 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through

RE: ORIGINAL THOUGHT -- Re: [TruthTalk] God the time traveler

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Chris, You make me think of Jim Jones and Charles Manson all rolled into one.  VERY scary.  You are as inspired as they (thought they) were. Izzy   This came to me by The Ruach and The Word.  Perhaps Lance, Jonathan or Bill know of some other man who has written of such things

RE: ORIGINAL THOUGHT -- Re: [TruthTalk] God the time traveler

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thanks for admitting it, but I already knew that. Izzy   -- Judy, Izzy ... take a deep breath, don't have a stroke --   I was wrong.     Ahava b' YahShua (Love in The SAVIOUR) Baruch YHVH,

RE: [TruthTalk] God the time traveler

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
of time studying the theory/scripture on this topic.    Jonathan   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] God the time traveler   Lance,   God never changed

RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jonathan,  As you know I don’t correspond with jt, as experience has proven that it is the road to endless conflict.  To keep peace I keep quiet.  If you would like to discuss my personal ideas about sickness/illness please let me know. I don’t like to butt into others’ conversations.  Don’

RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

2004-06-29 Thread ShieldsFamily
Good to hear your words, John. J  Re: the Canadian Trinity, knowing they are good at heart encourages me personally, as I know they won’t give up easily when I challenge the heck out of their ideas.  (I know they are cahoots, and encourage each other!) Some folks can’t take it so well.  J I

RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

2004-06-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
eg of this "Canadian Trinity"? I thought Chris was from Arizona.   Bill - Original Message ----- From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:01 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

2004-06-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
er the head all the time - so I'm choosing to exit at this point leaving you all to enjoy your peace and pet doctrines.  jt.     From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jonathan,  As you know I don’t correspond with jt, as experience has proven that it

RE: [TruthTalk] Exegetical Fallacies and Generational Sin

2004-06-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
Yeah, Judy—just because I opt out of arguing with you doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy watching you slug it out with the guys. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Tr

RE: [TruthTalk] Check out MSN Video

2004-06-30 Thread ShieldsFamily
I couldn’t get it to play.  The sad thing about videos like this is that the baby is aborted after the video is taken.  They won’t attempt something this dangerous on a child that is not going to be aborted. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EM

RE: [TruthTalk] Smithson: Kruger is the man.. Smithson waxes an elephant

2004-07-01 Thread ShieldsFamily
Very interesting, John.  When I read the emphasis on doing I am reminded of His wonderful Commandments, and the joys of obedience, service, and calling. What was the name of this book? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: We

RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature

2004-07-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
I hate to butt in, but I think the “Angel of the Lord” was Jesus, don’t you? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 3:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature   Oh? and what ha

RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature

2004-07-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, we do have the freedom to thinking wrongly.  However wrong thinking (beliefs) leads to sin, which is why we don’t want to do it.  (For example, overbearing, arrogant, egotistical, self-righteous belittling of others.) I believe we are judged by the Lord, not for what we think, but for

RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature

2004-07-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
John,   I am busy today with much family-goings-on, so will be brief (and therefore sure to be misunderstood! J  ).   We are looking forward to attending the Cardinal baseball game and Christian Family Night at the ballpark tonight—possibly followed up by some of the fantastic fireworks o

RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature

2004-07-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Interesting to see what I wrote(my previous post just sent), Slade, exactly while you were writing this. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 10:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Divin

RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature

2004-07-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
PS  I just asked the Lord, What does Sabbath observance have to do with cleanliness? He said It is a weekly washing-off of the world. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 10:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature

2004-07-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
I assumed that if one were a Christian they would automatically be American and Cardinals fans. (LOL!) Actually the other baseball team Believers are also giving their testimonies tonight.  ENJOY your son!  Izzy   I am out the door myself -- kids coming and I have to finish a j

RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature

2004-07-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
    Izzy’s comments in red: When was the last time you all read a lengthy and involved email from me?  So give me some slack and allow this exception.   You all are great.  I have included the thread remarks of Slade and Lance. Before we close the lid on the box in which we have place

RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature

2004-07-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
    Lance, as usual, I have NO IDEA what you are talking about.  And I assume that, as usual, you will refuse to explain it to me.. Izzy   Speaking as an 'interloper', I'd suggest that  all (I do mean ALL) are included in the 'second adam', ' the obedient Israelite', the 'Incarnat

RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature

2004-07-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thanks for the post, John.  I won’t respond, as all my posts/questions lately are ignored anyway.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 7:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Divine Natu

RE: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Best buy for your money]

2004-07-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry,  I’m cracking up!!! At least the buy on the bottom is an honest depiction of what it really is. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 6:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Best

RE: [TruthTalk] question

2004-07-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Terry, The Father wanted Jesus to be baptized. Izzy   Matt3:13   Then Jesus arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him. 14   But John tried to prevent Him, saying, "I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me?" 15   But Jesus answering sai

RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature

2004-07-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
Izzy’s responses in fuschia. J   I think that the “conflict” between James and Paul is imaginary—a definite clue to the fact that Paul is misunderstood. Neither do I see a conflict.  But I am curious as to why the clue doesn't work from another view  --  that James is misunde

RE: [TruthTalk] Re:Even in football..

2004-07-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
Maybe you needed another cuppa java??? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:Even in football..   They penalize piling on.    Being judged,

RE: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Best buy for your money]

2004-07-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
' write. He was your president for eight years!  From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 06, 2004 08:47 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Best buy for your money]   Terry,  I’m cracking up!!! At least the buy on the bottom is an honest depiction of

RE: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: Best buy for your money]

2004-07-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
  The point is, they are both about the same thing ultimately. Iz Even you must admit though, that the TP is more useful and a better value for the money. Terry

RE: [TruthTalk] Note from the moderator

2004-07-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
How about "Dearest Terry", or "My Dear Perry"? Izzy Thanks Perry, from one who is easily confused. I have always started my writing with Joe:, or Henry: or whoever, and have been mildly confused by the things you explain above, so I have taken to omitting that salutation in favor of some othe

RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature

2004-07-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
    Lance, I believe that Jesus died to make it POSSIBLE for each and every person in “humankind” to come into relationship with God by being Born Again. Not everyone has taken Him up on this rather spectacular offer, unfortunately.  In other words, it ain’t a done deal until we accept

RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature

2004-07-06 Thread ShieldsFamily
came from Slade’s post that Lance replied to. Jonathan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Divine Nature Lance, I believe that Jesus

RE: [TruthTalk] Hypocrisy

2004-07-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Title: Hypocrisy Dear, dear, dearest Jonathan,   Why is it that you do not see the utter hypocrisy of Bill Clinton? He SAYS one thing (Oh, Yes, I’m a real Christian).  He DOES another (the vilest forms of perversions in the most sacred office in the USA, verifiable lying “I never knew tha

RE: [Fwd: Re: [TruthTalk] Hypocrisy]

2004-07-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
hypocrite \Hyp"o*crite\, n. [F., fr. L. hypocrita, Gr. ? one who plays a part on the stage, a dissembler, feigner. See Hypocrisy.] One who plays a part; especially, one who, for the purpose of winning approbation of favor, puts on a fair outside seeming; one who feigns to be other and bett

RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article

2004-07-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Title: Hypocrisy Consider the source. (Reuters!!!)  If Christians banding together is illegal, then the Democratic Party should stop telling their constituents to vote Democrat from the pulpits and busing from their churches to the voting poles.  Do you EVER look at both sides of the issue

RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article

2004-07-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
higher authority   Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 7:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article   Consider the source. (Reuters!!!)  If Christians banding together is

RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article

2004-07-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Here is one suggestion for how Clinton can clean the slate re: Monica.  http://www.nationalreview.com/jgraham/graham200407060844.asp   Izzy   As far as Clinton's claim to be a Christian.   Monica signed in at the White House over 60 times !!   And we all know  what happened. 

RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article

2004-07-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Jonathan, I’m sorry to see you go.  I am feeling judged myself.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article   John, Izzy, Terry,

RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article

2004-07-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Amen to John’s post.  Jonathan, since politics is what really upsets you I’m willing to ban politics from TT altogether—how about it? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 11:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTE

[TruthTalk] Interesting Book

2004-07-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance,   I am reading (as much as possible with lots of family here for several weeks) one of the books you sent me from your Ontario Bookstore, “The Rod, Will God Spare It?” by JD Faust.  Although I have some major disagreements with the author’s point of view, I am still really enjoying

RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article

2004-07-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article   Amen to John’s post.  Jonathan, since politics is what really upsets you I’m willing to ban politics from TT altogether—how about it? Izzy   From: [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Book

2004-07-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
one could have attained, but possibly it is a loss of more than that.   You can read this treatise at http://www.lampbroadcast.org. Click on "PDF Books" on the navbar near the top of the page, then look for the one entitled "Salvation of the Soul". If anyone takes th

RE: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article

2004-07-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Slade, Please explain what you think the “Kingdom” means.  Is it just the 1.000 millenium, or is it eternity, or did it start the day you got saved? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 7:38 PM To: [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article

2004-07-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
That’s why God hates it. Izzy   I am divorced  The event tore me up.  .   JD

RE: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article

2004-07-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
age- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Friday, 09 July, 2004 01:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article Slade, Please explain what you think the “Kingdom” means.  Is it just the 1.000 millenium,

RE: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: [TruthTalk] Interesting Article

2004-07-09 Thread ShieldsFamily
John, Do you think the K of G could also refer to what we call “eternal heaven” and/or “the millennium reign of Christ on the earth” ? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Book

2004-07-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
lmost no interest whatever in his material. The owner's of the store, Alex & Teresia Lam espouse what he teaches. I could, if you so wish have one or both contact you re:Faust.   I vascilate on the 'eternally secure' issue.   Lance From: ShieldsFamily

RE: [TruthTalk] You can plug in doctor, preacher or whoever - still funny

2004-07-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
Spoken by one who has suffered through the American legal “justice” system.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 7:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] You can plug in doctor, preacher

RE: [TruthTalk] Soul

2004-07-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
So can you, or DaveH, or anyone define exactly what is the difference between your soul and your spirit? Is your personality your soul? Does it go to heaven? Your mental capacity? Your sense of humor? Don’t animals have souls? (I think so!) Do they have a spirit? Which one do you believe li

RE: [TruthTalk] Love your neigbor as yourself

2004-07-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
It might do us all some good to go ahead and post some of the ways we love ourselves. Then maybe we could make a deliberate effort to ascribe that same -- dare I say -- unsurpassable worth to each other. How about it, Izzy? I see you are very good at getting along with yourself.

RE: [TruthTalk] Interesting Book

2004-07-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
Very good question—where’s the answer DaveH? J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Interesting Book   then you'd say that souls vanish whe

RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued

2004-07-10 Thread ShieldsFamily
Excellent posts, Terry.  And maybe the point below is why I think it is entirely natural to have the first impulse to murder your adulterous spouse. In some countries it’s even quite legal.  (But a living happy life is the best revenge!) J Izzy   During old testament times, the

RE: [Fwd: Re: [TruthTalk]marriage, divorce, and remarriage.]

2004-07-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
John,   That’s why I asked some time ago for anyone’s opinion about “soul ties”.  I believe these are developed when we have affection for someone else, and especially if we are intimate with someone sexually.  Broken soul ties can leave us fragmented emotionally.  I surmise that this is

RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued

2004-07-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
From my perspective, there is nothing wrong AT ALL with a woman (or man) separating (legally perhaps) from an emotionally or physically abusive situation.  But that leaves divorce out, still.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] Love your neighbor as yourself

2004-07-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Slade, You have it exactly right.  Love is how we BEHAVE (NOT how we FEEL).  And sometimes love demands NOT rewarding bad behavior (just as the Lord treats us, mind you.)   I think we all basically agree that we are to treat others with kindness.  We just speak in different vocabularies.

RE: [TruthTalk] Love your neighbor as yourself

2004-07-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, I lived for 30 years in the suburbs and knew fewer of my neighbors than I know here in the city after just 4 years.  The suburbs were snobbish and cold.  It’s a much friendlier place for a variety of reasons.  Closer proximity.  Not separated by vast lawns and electric garage door op

RE: [TruthTalk] Love your neigbor as yourself

2004-07-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, I sure hope so!  But he will surely suffer loss when we sit before the Great White Throne of Judgment.  There will be judgement for Believers, as well as non-believers.  How sad that he never heard the gospel before it was too late to life a life for Christ.  Izzy     Morni

RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued

2004-07-11 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Izzy’s 2 cents: I think the Believer doesn’t have to get a divorce is she (or he) just wants peace (and not remarriage)—they can get a legal separation as a kind of safe haven until the other spouse shapes up.  If the other spouse files for divorce and /or takes another mate, the Believe

RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued

2004-07-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Slade,   The only problem I see with this below is that (1) I see no scriptural backing for “emotional damage”, and (2) every time someone is not happy in his/her marriage they think they are being “emotionally abused”.  In many cases they are simply not getting their own way, and are re

RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued

2004-07-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
: Monday, July 12, 2004 6:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued   ShieldsFamily wrote:   Izzy’s 2 cents: I think the Believer doesn’t have to get a divorce is she (or he) just wants peace (and not remarriage)—they can get a legal separation

RE: [TruthTalk] God Hates

2004-07-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
So God has a soul? Interesting! I'm still waiting for a definition... Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 7:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] God Hates Good morning Lance a

RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul

2004-07-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
idea.  It may be a long time before I get to cipherin' on spirit/soul. Terry     ShieldsFamily wrote: So can you, or DaveH, or anyone define exactly what is the difference between your soul and your spirit? Is your person

RE: [TruthTalk] God Hates

2004-07-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance, I think that was unfair. This is a very reasonable question Terry gave, for those of us who value scripture at least. I'm sure you do, so how (seriously) do you account for this one? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir

RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul

2004-07-12 Thread ShieldsFamily
z. Guess I'll find out when I >get there. For now, I'm still working on the important stuff, like dying >to self. If I ever get the hang of that, I got to work on lovin' my >enemy, and my neighbor, and, well, you get the idea. It may be a long >time before I get to cipheri

RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perhaps the same feeling that God has when we screw up our lives with sin, even while believing in Him? Izzy   It was hard as a mother to sit back and watch and realize that I couldn't fix my son's problems.  Laura

RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Main Entry: ascetism Function: noun Definition: asceticism; the condition or practice of self-denial   Mark 8:34 And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, "If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and [Matt 10:38; Luke 14:27] take up his cross and fol

RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Matt 13:3 And He spoke many things to them in parables…. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 12:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul   here's scientific bias at work

RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of Snopes

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Interesting website, DaveH.  Obviously the "soul" is not physical, (whatever it is--I'm still waiting for a definition!) and therefore has no weight.   Here's a question on the subject: What if we are composed of body and soul only unless/until we are "Born Again of the Spirit"? That woul

RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Slade,   You make some very good points.  I have never endorsed staying in an abusive situation.  I have always endorsed leaving a spouse who is REALLY abusive, although I favor separation over divorce if one is able to deal with that.  I have never condemned anyone for divorcing in such

RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, don’t kill yourself.  Doesn’t Rubbermaid make something a rabbit could live in? Izzy  PS Avon “Skin So Soft” is supposed to keep the mosquitos away!   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 5:00 PM To: [EMAI

RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Do you plan to die rich in wabbit cages? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Wow, it must be expensive to make diamond cages. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued   ShieldsFamily

RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
I’m with Laura—tell me more! (But does it entail actually going out into the Cold, Nasty Winter Weather to feed those little critters?  (BTW, we have picked no less than 4 baby wabbits out of our pool strainer this summer—so sad!!!) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PR

RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
  G, you haven’t partied until you’ve partied with Iz! J   Example, as far as Izzy's concerned, denying one's self (e.g.) a week of wedding partying in Cana and renouncing asceticism to follow JC are identical NT theologies (..think about it:) G

RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, we are not to have a “party spirit” ie: worldy partying.  But we are to have a blast with friends and family, and totally enjoy God’s bountiful blessings! (…a time for every purpose under heaven…) Izzy === We are follow

RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
g. how do you do it? Iz   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul   laying aside one's self as JC commanded is not possible in asceticism

RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Gospel   On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 13:12:07 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Main Entry: ascetism Function: noun Definition: asceticism; the condition or practice of self-denial   Mark 8:34 And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, &

RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued

2004-07-13 Thread ShieldsFamily
Terry, I didn’t realize you are in Florida.  For some reason I pictured you out west.  Should have known you’d be hanging out in the resorts. I’m partial to Sarasota myself. Izzy     From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, July

RE: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul

2004-07-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
It is only ascetic in that we are to die to SELF (flesh, sin, selfishness, etc.); not die to the joys of a godly life by any means.  We can only enjoy God’s blessings fully when we are walking in His Spirit, which we cannot do when we are walking in the flesh.    Izzy   From: [EMA

RE: PROBABLE SPAM> Re: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued]

2004-07-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
else, it is disgusting and this leads to adultery.   -- slade -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Monday, 12 July, 2004 08:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Marriage, divorce, remarriage, continued Slade, The

RE: [TruthTalk] Spirit/Soul

2004-07-14 Thread ShieldsFamily
Those are great.  Terry, re: your rabbit enterprise, have you ever seen the foreign (subtitled) film, “Jean de Florette ” (1987)?  It is one of the BEST movies I have ever seen.  You would appreciate how much harder it was to raise rabbits 50 or so years ago. The sequel is “Manon of the Spr

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