Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-16 Thread Dave Angel
On 06/16/2013 01:40 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Dave Angel da...@davea.name wrote: Thank you. So would it be clear if I were to say I prefer printf-style formatting over the format method.? I'd be careful there, since method is an English word as well as a Python

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-16 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:27 AM, Dave Angel da...@davea.name wrote: You were thinking of the OOP-sense of the word, but you didn't say it. So the listener might choose to figure you meant method as in technique. After all the word style is used in its English meaning, even though Word

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-15 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On 15/06/13 01:23, Dotan Cohen wrote: What are these two string-formatting styles called? '%.3f' % x '{0:.3f}'.format(x) String formatting, and string formatting *wink* Sometimes the first is called string

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-15 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Jim Mooney cybervigila...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 June 2013 08:23, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: What are these two string-formatting styles called? '%.3f' % x '{0:.3f}'.format(x) The first one is a string Expression, using % as the overloaded

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-15 Thread Dave Angel
On 06/15/2013 06:23 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Jim Mooney cybervigila...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 June 2013 08:23, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: What are these two string-formatting styles called? '%.3f' % x '{0:.3f}'.format(x) The first one is a string

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-15 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On 15/06/13 20:18, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On 15/06/13 01:23, Dotan Cohen wrote: What are these two string-formatting styles called? '%.3f' % x '{0:.3f}'.format(x) String formatting, and string formatting *wink*

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-15 Thread Jim Mooney
On 15 June 2013 03:23, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Oh? Which book is that? I've so far been learning by writing small applications here and there. I have been meaning to go through Learn Python The Hard Way for the longest time. = Learning Python, fifth

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-15 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Dave Angel da...@davea.name wrote: Thank you. So would it be clear if I were to say I prefer printf-style formatting over the format method.? I'd be careful there, since method is an English word as well as a Python one. So I'd make it clear i was referrring

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-15 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On 15/06/13 20:18, Dotan Cohen wrote: I prefer % formatting over str.format method. I prefer percent-formatting over brace-formatting. I prefer C-style string formatting over the newer string format method. Thank

[Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Dotan Cohen
What are these two string-formatting styles called? '%.3f' % x '{0:.3f}'.format(x) Where in the fine manual is their names shown? Thanks! -- Dotan Cohen http://gibberish.co.il http://what-is-what.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org To

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On 15/06/13 01:23, Dotan Cohen wrote: What are these two string-formatting styles called? '%.3f' % x '{0:.3f}'.format(x) String formatting, and string formatting *wink* Sometimes the first is called string interpolation. Sometimes it is called printf-style formatting, after the C function.

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Jim Mooney
On 14 June 2013 08:23, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: What are these two string-formatting styles called? '%.3f' % x '{0:.3f}'.format(x) The first one is a string Expression, using % as the overloaded operator The second one is a string method, with .format() as the method for a

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread eryksun
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Jim Mooney cybervigila...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 June 2013 08:23, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: What are these two string-formatting styles called? '%.3f' % x '{0:.3f}'.format(x) The first one is a string Expression, using % as the overloaded

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Jim Mooney
On 14 June 2013 09:40, eryksun eryk...@gmail.com wrote: or with built-in format(): format(Decimal(1).exp(), '.27f') '2.718281828459045235360287471' I didn't know .format() also had a builtin. Are there many methods that are dual like that? On the one hand, it's more memorizing,

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On 15/06/13 03:32, Jim Mooney wrote: Now you're going to tell me there's a programmer's keyboard ;') http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Space-cadet.jpg http://ageinghacker.net/hacks/apl-keyboard/apl-keyboard-2.jpg

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Jim Mooney
On 14 June 2013 10:56, Steven D'Aprano st...@pearwood.info wrote: On 15/06/13 03:32, Jim Mooney wrote: Now you're going to tell me there's a programmer's keyboard ;') http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Space-cadet_keyboardhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-cadet_keyboard

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread student Tyler Northrip
In response to your points, voice command using visuals, this idea has been explored before. In the book containment by Christian Cantrell they use methods such as this. The main character places a helmet on his head, and writes code using his mind. Voice command was also used as well. Will

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Jim Mooney
14 June 2013 11:59, student Tyler Northrip northri...@s.dcsdk12.orgwrote: In response to your points, voice command using visuals, this idea has been explored before. In the book containment by Christian Cantrell theyuse methods such as this. The main character places a helmet on his head,

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Dave Angel
On 06/14/2013 03:09 PM, Jim Mooney wrote: SNIP Of course, the real consideration, for those thinking of programming as a career path, is whether programmers will be as obsolete at gaslighters in twenty years - or will they be doing some sort of weird meta-programming? You mean you don't

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Jim Mooney
On 14 June 2013 13:47, Dave Angel da...@davea.name wrote: On 06/14/2013 03:09 PM, Jim Mooney wrote: You mean you don't write your own microcode in hex? New fangled computers get between us and the hardware. Give me instructions that directly manipulate voltages, and I'll be happy again.

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Alan Gauld
On 14/06/13 19:34, Jim Mooney wrote: I'm probably going to hear that's already been done, too ;') Not in 3D to my knowledge but visual programming for sure. One example was ObjectVision from Borland on the PC. It lacked a loop construct because it was event driven but otherwise was a

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Alan Gauld
On 14/06/13 20:09, Jim Mooney wrote: Of course, the real consideration, for those thinking of programming as a career path, is whether programmers will be as obsolete at gaslighters in twenty years - or will they be doing some sort of weird meta-programming? COBOL - COmmon Business Oriented

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Mark Lawrence
On 14/06/2013 22:46, Alan Gauld wrote: COBOL - COmmon Business Oriented Language. Designed in the 1950s to enable 'ordinary business users' to write their own programs and thus render programmers obsolete So what COBOL couldn't achieve is now being done with Applescript. -- Steve is

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Dave Angel
On 06/14/2013 05:43 PM, Alan Gauld wrote: On 14/06/13 19:34, Jim Mooney wrote: I'm probably going to hear that's already been done, too ;') Not in 3D to my knowledge but visual programming for sure. One example was ObjectVision from Borland on the PC. It lacked a loop construct because it

Re: [Tutor] What are these two string-formatting styles called?

2013-06-14 Thread Jim Mooney
On 14 June 2013 18:09, Dave Angel da...@davea.name wrote: On 06/14/2013 05:43 PM, Alan Gauld wrote: Another one, currently popular on the RaspberryPi micro computer is Scratch: