Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-11-20 Thread Stefan Neufeind
On 11/15/2012 01:59 PM, Alexander Hahn wrote: On 2012-11-15 12:41:05 +, Dmitry Dulepov said: Alexander Hahn wrote: I don't want to say 'a forum', because this alone won't help. It has to be something else, something in the browser, something open, without barriers to get started with.

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-11-14 Thread Michael Stucki
Hi Tolleiv, I started answering to your mail until I concluded that it deserves a separate thread. I hope that is ok for you. Greetings, Michael Am 19.10.2012 09:54, schrieb Tolleiv Nietsch: Hi, so now is the time to start a poll for the new name of the newsgroup right? Or would you decide

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-22 Thread bernd wilke
Am 20.10.2012 14:35, schrieb Katja Lampela: 20.10.2012 12:53, Georg Ringer kirjoitti: just use the marketing material he got ... over out A customer doesn't really care as he doesn't even know that there is a new and an old logo. This is so true. Without any sarcasm: customers don't usually

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-22 Thread Jigal van Hemert
Hi, On 22-10-2012 8:24, bernd wilke wrote: Am 20.10.2012 14:35, schrieb Katja Lampela: 20.10.2012 12:53, Georg Ringer kirjoitti: A customer doesn't really care as he doesn't even know that there is a new and an old logo. This is so true. Without any sarcasm: customers don't usually see

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-22 Thread Véronique Julmy
Thank you very much for your kind answer. As a collaborator of a small company, I have integrated this change and can follow your reflection except that, for many of our customers, advertising with the old logo could be considered as a lack of professionalism. As a member of the TYPO3

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-22 Thread Katja Lampela
Hi, 22.10.2012 9:24, bernd wilke kirjoitti: Am 20.10.2012 14:35, schrieb Katja Lampela: 20.10.2012 12:53, Georg Ringer kirjoitti: just use the marketing material he got ... over out A customer doesn't really care as he doesn't even know that there is a new and an old logo. This is so true.

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Philipp Gampe
Hi Tolleiv, Tolleiv Nietsch wrote: But looking back into the constructive discussions we saw in the recent year I doubt that another newsgroup will solve anything. Imho typo3.english is a fine place to discuss stuff when everyone watches their language and tries to respect the work of

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Martin Bless
Hi Andreas, funny misspelling: we wait also for the version 6 which will wok [...] Yes, I hope it will work well in general and also Wok very well in Asia ... sorry, could not resist :-) Martin -- Certified TYPO3 Integrator | TYPO3 Documentation Team Member http://mbless.de

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Martin Bless
Hello Tolleiv, I'm sad you're not very constructive in your posts *in this thread*. Please note that the thread is not a flame war and it's not at all about blaming or complaining. It is about different opinions and getting the green back. And it's not about every little change. It is about far

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Martin Bless
[Martin Bless] wrote schrieb: Hello Tolleiv, I'm sad you're not very constructive in your posts *in this thread*. Please note that the thread is not a flame war and it's not at all about blaming or complaining. It is about different opinions and getting the green back. And it's not about every

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Martin Bless
Hi Tolleiv, ((blushing for having sent that unfinished post)), here now the real one: Imho typo3.english is a fine place to discuss stuff when everyone watches their language and tries to respect the work of others. Alright, could be. The advantage of a dedicated typo3-about list for meta

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Martin Bless
[Martin Bless] wrote schrieb: Hello Tolleiv, I'm sad you're not very constructive in your posts *in this thread*. Please note that the thread is not a flame war and it's not at all about blaming or complaining. It is about different opinions and getting the green back. And it's not about every

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Georg Ringer
Am 20.10.2012 11:36, schrieb Martin Bless: Could somebody please give a serious and respectful answer to Véronique? just use the marketing material he got ... over out A customer doesn't really care as he doesn't even know that there is a new and an old logo. Georg

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Tolleiv Nietsch
Hi, well, this post has hardly got any response from any of the Core (CMS and Neos) team members for a good reason. The way you all responded to Rasmus is exactly what's keeping the actually active people away from these newsgroup discussions. Why didn't you start the discussion in a polite

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Katja Lampela
20.10.2012 12:53, Georg Ringer kirjoitti: just use the marketing material he got ... over out A customer doesn't really care as he doesn't even know that there is a new and an old logo. This is so true. Without any sarcasm: customers don't usually see TYPO3 (logo or any other brand

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Jigal van Hemert
Hi, On 16-10-2012 15:21, Véronique Julmy wrote: For our small company, the change of the TYPO3 logo is difficult to accept. We have invested in sales promotional materials. Today, these investments have been whipped out. As was indicated in a few other posts, customers usually are not aware

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Martin Bless
Hi Tolleiv, it's nice you took the time for a longer answer. The way you all responded to Rasmus is exactly what's keeping the actually active people away from these newsgroup discussions. We all? Please don't generalize. I don't think I've written a single word in this thread that was

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Martin Bless
Hi Jigal, If I were you I wouldn't worry too much ... thank you very much for you kind and detailed answer and advice. That's a good post - I like it! Martin -- Certified TYPO3 Integrator | TYPO3 Documentation Team Member http://mbless.de ___

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-20 Thread Philipp Gampe
Hi Tolleiv Nietsch, Tolleiv Nietsch wrote: I saw how the community reacted when the T3O stuff was brought to preview last year - angry blogposts, useless blaming never asking for reasons - all of that, but no additional contribution. And even the ones that seemed to be constructive didn't

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-19 Thread Martin Bless
[Andreas Becker] wrote schrieb: We decided that our Elephant will keep his nice colors and that we focus more on ThaiPo3 ;-). Thank you for sharing. I understand much better now. BTW: If it's this site: thaipo3.com - it doesn't work and displays an TYPO3 error at the moment. Martin --

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-19 Thread Tolleiv Nietsch
Hi, so now is the time to start a poll for the new name of the newsgroup right? Or would you decide that on your own? Cheers, Tolleiv Michael Stucki schrieb: Hi guys, no need to vote on this, I guess we all agree that such a list would be very helpful. In fact, I was already asked last

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-19 Thread Philipp Gampe
Hi Tolleiv Nietsch, Tolleiv Nietsch wrote: so now is the time to start a poll for the new name of the newsgroup right? Or would you decide that on your own? typo3.about (as suggested) fits quite well, IMHO we do not need a pull unless we have multiple suggestions. What else would you

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-19 Thread Tolleiv Nietsch
Philipp Gampe schrieb: What else would you suggest? typo3.meta Sorry can't answer this one honest without breaking some of the communication rules here ;) But looking back into the constructive discussions we saw in the recent year I doubt that another newsgroup will solve anything. Imho

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-19 Thread Xavier Perseguers
Hi, But looking back into the constructive discussions we saw in the recent year I doubt that another newsgroup will solve anything. Imho typo3.english is a fine place to discuss stuff when everyone watches their language and tries to respect the work of others. Going into a monthly flamewar

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-19 Thread Andreas Becker
Yep Martin it is not displaying. No problem as we focus with ThaiPo3 not only on the webstuff - it is more a social and community stuff which takes currently place mainly not on the web ;-) But I hope the we will find time soon to change this again. actually we are only waiting for the new

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-19 Thread Andreas Becker
+1 to keep discussions on typo3-english All constructive discussions with good and community based decisions started and took place on typo3-english. This List is the best place for stuff like this as all other places don't mobilize a community like here. An isolated list will isolate actually

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-18 Thread Michael Stucki
Hi guys, no need to vote on this, I guess we all agree that such a list would be very helpful. In fact, I was already asked last week to create such a list. I didn't create it right away because the current discussion had already started here in typo3-english, and we felt it was important that

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-18 Thread Martin Bless
Andreas [Becker] wrote schrieb: Hello Kindergarten how are you? So what's your contribution? What's your opinion on the issue(s)? Martin -- Certified TYPO3 Integrator | TYPO3 Documentation Team Member http://mbless.de ___ TYPO3-english mailing

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-18 Thread Matthias Secker
+1 for green. ___ TYPO3-english mailing list TYPO3-english@lists.typo3.org http://lists.typo3.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-english

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-18 Thread Andreas Becker
Check the Mailinglist back and you can read it. We decided that our Elephant will keep his nice colors and that we focus more on ThaiPo3 ;-). In Cambodia one developer posted on Facebook already nice image showing him in an orange life west with very little green hanging more or less to his

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-17 Thread Alessandro Tuveri
+100 to this get the green back! Please use the orange (new) logo to identify the TYPO3 family but not the TYPO3 itself. thank you Quoting Katja Lampela katja.lamp...@lieska.net: + 1 to this With kind regards Katja Lampela *Lieska-tuotanto* www.lieska.net 16.10.2012 18:19, Lorenz

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-17 Thread Steffen Gebert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You didn't even read, what you gave your +100 for! Kind regards Steffen - -- Steffen Gebert TYPO3 CMS Core Team Member TYPO3 Server Administration Team Member TYPO3 inspiring people to share! Get involved: http://typo3.org I work for TYPO3

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-17 Thread Katja Lampela
+100 to this :D With kind regards Katja Lampela *Lieska-tuotanto* www.lieska.net 17.10.2012 9:57, Steffen Gebert kirjoitti: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 You didn't even read, what you gave your +100 for! Kind regards Steffen - -- Steffen Gebert TYPO3 CMS Core Team Member

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-17 Thread Andreas Becker
Hello Kindergarten how are you? +1 -1 =0 and this is exactly what TYPO3 is getting to with those childishness! On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Katja Lampela katja.lamp...@lieska.netwrote: +100 to this :D With kind regards Katja Lampela *Lieska-tuotanto* www.lieska.net 17.10.2012

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-16 Thread Véronique Julmy
Hello, Despite the fact that it is quite unusual for me to do so, I wish to react concerning the change of logo. For our small company, the change of the TYPO3 logo is difficult to accept. We have invested in sales promotional materials. Today, these investments have been whipped out.

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-16 Thread Ralf-Rene Schröder
Am 16.10.2012 15:21, schrieb Véronique Julmy: We have invested in sales promotional materials. Today, these investments have been whipped out. +1 i also calculate with a lifetime for promotial materials of 2-3 years this type of change has a much greater tendency to knock down small companies

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-16 Thread Lorenz Ulrich
Hi there Sorry, but I really don't see the point in throwing away all material now. I don't think that a customer would turn your offer down just because the logo color on your PR material is different than the logo on the TYPO3 website. At least in my experience, building trust and having

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-16 Thread Katja Lampela
+ 1 to this With kind regards Katja Lampela *Lieska-tuotanto* www.lieska.net 16.10.2012 18:19, Lorenz Ulrich kirjoitti: Hi there Sorry, but I really don't see the point in throwing away all material now. I don't think that a customer would turn your offer down just because the logo color

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-12 Thread Christian Nölle
Am 11.10.2012 23:25, schrieb ben van 't ende: [...] and being dutch my favorite color is orange ;) Here we go. That's the main reason! ;) *scnr* -- -c ___ TYPO3-english mailing list TYPO3-english@lists.typo3.org

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-12 Thread Christian Nölle
Am 11.10.2012 23:36, schrieb Martin Bless: Hi, Proposal: To improve communication: I'm proposing to implement a mailing list typo3-about @lists.typo3.org to have the right space for meta discussions like this one. For the proposal: +1 by Gina +1 by Robert (Lembke) +1 by me +1 Andi

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Martin Bless
Hi Rasmus all, please have look at this comparison: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2de9ia225nu1wdj/logo-comparison-001.png The little images are taken from http://neos.typo3.org where they are rushing through the TYPO3 Neos Buzz right now. Sizes are 30x30 pixels as on neos.typo3.org. *What is

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Rasmus Skjoldan
Hey, Martin Bless wrote: That printing and displaying the green color has always given us problems I understand that two colors may be more expensive in print than one. But that's the price for having a more expressive logo. I understand that some people somewhen are not capable of printing

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Kay Strobach
Hi Martin, this comparision is a bit unfair. The green colored version is a way smaller, than the orange one. If i remember right it's not allowed to use the old TYPO3 Logo on a non unique colored background? - Why do team members do that? Regards Kay Am 11.10.2012 10:26, schrieb Martin

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Rasmus Skjoldan
Hi, All, please let me know if you'd like to contribute in general to the coming TYPO3 branding projects and tasks. Just write what you think you're super good at and let me know how you'd like to help out. Best, Rasmus bernd wilke wrote: Am 11.10.2012 00:12, schrieb Martin Bless: I'm

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Rasmus Skjoldan
If i remember right it's not allowed to use the old TYPO3 Logo on a non unique colored background? - Why do team members do that? Exactly - we should be able to do that, though! Those guidelines need to change. We didn't even know twitter back then :-) Rasmus Regards Kay Am 11.10.2012

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Kay Strobach
Sry, the colored one (two colors) is better recognizeable. I also asked my designer :D: Where is the TYPO3 Logo - He pointed at the two color version ;) Where is the second logo - He search 20 secs an pointed to the new one, with a scary smile ... Regards Kay Am 11.10.2012 12:28, schrieb

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Stefan Neufeind
On 10/10/2012 09:45 AM, Christian Nölle wrote: [...] Very good point. I think, most of the people are tending to explode because that was the way choosen to communicate the change by the unkown team. The decision was made, maybe internally discussed (at least I hope so) and then rushed to

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Rasmus Skjoldan
Sry, the colored one (two colors) is better recognizeable. I do agree. Recognizability is just not the goal here - which seems to be the premise of a lot of posts in this thread. End goals are, from my point of view: * Visually understructure the major product changes happening (basically

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Milicev Uros
Guys, Let's finish this story. I am with TYPO3 since 2006, and I feel that this makes more and more damage to community and TYPO3 as product. Personally I really want to see old logo back...and I am bit disappointed how all this happened...but, if guys from Core team want to keep new logo, you

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Gina Steiner
hi kay, this is a funny comparison. think about the following: lets do a time travel back in time... to the moment when we switched the triple sheet logo to the orange/green logo. if i would have shown A. the (back then *new*) orange green logo B. and the (back then *actual*) triple sheet,

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Martin Bless
Rasmus, I don't doubt your intentions a second. Somewhere here must the important thing be hidden that I don't understand: End goals are, from my point of view: * Visually understructure the major product changes happening (basically telling the world we're making new stuff) * Strengthen the

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Martin Bless
Hi Gina, it's good to see that you post sounds friendly and appreciating. Thanks for that. lets do a time travel back in time... to the moment when we switched the triple sheet logo to the orange/green logo. But: As you point out: Thanks to Rasmus that was the moment when the TYPO3 logo

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Gina Steiner
hi kay, Proposal: To improve communication: I'm proposing to implement a mailing list typo3-about @lists.typo3.org to have the right space for meta discussions like this one. I'm asking you to support this idea. Or is there a better idea? this sounds great. if you ask me, who i would give

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Martin Bless
Gina, Proposal: To improve communication: I'm proposing to implement a mailing list typo3-about @lists.typo3.org to have the right space for meta discussions like this one. I'm asking you to support this idea. Or is there a better idea? this sounds great. That are the important words.

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Martin Bless
Hell Andi, thanks for participating. I would very much appreciate that you give your complete name like we usually do here. Feels strange to me to answer to a Vorname (first name) only. Great Gina Thanks Yeah, that's a great link Gina gave I didn't know of. Saying thanks is always a good thing.

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-11 Thread Martin Bless
Hi, Proposal: To improve communication: I'm proposing to implement a mailing list typo3-about @lists.typo3.org to have the right space for meta discussions like this one. For the proposal: +1 by Gina +1 by Robert (Lembke) +1 by me +1 Andi (lastname) +1 Ben van't Ende (expressed in PM) So,

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Christian Nölle
Am 09.10.2012 20:30, schrieb Philipp Gampe: Has anybody asked the team for the reasons behind it before exploding on personal blogs, twitter, facebook, general mailing lists that it is the blunder of the century? Due to the lag of communication, nobody had a chance to ask the unknown team.

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Christian Nölle
Am 09.10.2012 17:04, schrieb Rasmus Skjoldan: I'll get back tomorrow about it all :-) +1 -- -c ___ TYPO3-english mailing list TYPO3-english@lists.typo3.org http://lists.typo3.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-english

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Christian Hennecke
Am 08.10.2012 10:34, schrieb Martin Bless: [snip] Please don't be afraid to revert that decision. Put that green back. The earlier you do the less confusion will arise. You should do everything you can to avoid that people feel an inner dissonance or even a conflict. Don't do it for me - do

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Tolleiv Nietsch
Hi, -1, what makes you all brand experts? I disagree to the mentioned arguments, the logo was misused quite often - especially in relation to Flow/Neos and this new layout finally enables that. This is the 4th version of the TYPO3 logo and we'll sure see more in the future. Our community's

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Dmitry Dulepov
Hi! Tolleiv Nietsch wrote: -1, what makes you all brand experts? It is not about being expert it is about what the majority likes. If only experts like it and the majority doesn't, who needs it? :) Disclamer: I do not have any poll results about the new logo but I think the expert topic

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Olivier Dobberkau
Am 10.10.12 10:46, schrieb Dmitry Dulepov: It is not about being expert it is about what the majority likes. If only experts like it and the majority doesn't, who needs it? before getting to philosophic on it: De gustos y colores discutan los doctores! Only doctors discus colors and taste. I

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Rasmus Skjoldan
Hey Martin all, Surely, it has not yet been explained thoroughly why I proposed to kick the green color in the logo. I'd love to elaborate on that (now, that we have time to explain some of it). That printing and displaying the green color has always given us problems (many due to

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Rasmus Skjoldan
Christian Nölle wrote: Am 09.10.2012 20:30, schrieb Philipp Gampe: Has anybody asked the team for the reasons behind it before exploding on personal blogs, twitter, facebook, general mailing lists that it is the blunder of the century? Due to the lag of communication, nobody had a chance to

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Dmitry Dulepov
Hi! Olivier Dobberkau wrote: I wonder if everyone contributing in this discusion is really aware of the outside view we create and the joy other product-makers have in telling that the TYPO3 Community is a bunch of disunited people. In this thread people seem to be united. Count +1s for the

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Rasmus Skjoldan
Personally I don't mind the change itself. It's true that the logo with 2 colors was more distinctive, Agreed. I don't think we should go back. I think it's rather clever to rely on shape for brand recognition rather than color. After all they are quite a few color-blind people around, for

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Rasmus Skjoldan
I wonder if everyone contributing in this discusion is really aware of the outside view we create and the joy other product-makers have in telling that the TYPO3 Community is a bunch of disunited people. In this thread people seem to be united. Count +1s for the old logo! :) I fell more

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Stefano Cecere
On 10/10/12 12:13, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: But you have now a new toy, called NEOS. Please use new colors (and ideas) in NEOS, and let TYPO3 be in the usual old way. We have some years of life with TYPO3, right? Let us spent these years gracefully, and put your efforts in the new product.

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Rasmus Skjoldan
Rasmus Skjoldan wrote: Ehm, so you're basically saying I and all the others who've worked hard on all this for 2 years are not part of the community - but primarily the organization... This is plainly a wrong distinction, you make. From my point of view. No, I did not say that :) Okay :-)

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Tonix (Antonio Nati)
Il 10/10/2012 13:11, Stefano Cecere ha scritto: On 10/10/12 12:13, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: But you have now a new toy, called NEOS. Please use new colors (and ideas) in NEOS, and let TYPO3 be in the usual old way. We have some years of life with TYPO3, right? Let us spent these years

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread François Suter
Hi Rasmus, - the reasons are indeed fuzzy: as you mention, the only reason highlighted in the keynote was that monochrome was easier to print, in particular on t-shirts. This sound so lame. Robert - if you're reading this - don't take it personally, but that part of your speech was simply

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Jigal van Hemert
Hi, On 10-10-2012 13:11, Stefano Cecere wrote: i would have loved to stay all on the same boat (the 6.x) bringing the best parts of FLOW and NEOS experience integrated into it. but it seems it was impossible. there will be probably splits in the future.. someone will bring on That's a very

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Rasmus Skjoldan
Please... Think about how much Robert presented in that talk. You should criticize ME for not giving a talk about the changes and not Robert for not getting around all hundred arguments for changing the logo. That's why I said Robert shouldn't take it personally if he read this. I wouldn't have

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Rasmus Skjoldan
definitly +1 - i missed that decision. Leave the CMS logo as it was! - Or lets the association logo be the one with green, what would mean, all brands use the 2 colored version, but may also use a simpler version! The Logo is more a brand than the word TYPO3 ... I think a test would probably

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Tolleiv Nietsch
Hi, Tonix (Antonio Nati) schrieb: TYPO3 is losing its professional skin. Finally wise words, because green is and will always be the official color of professionalism! *sigh* FLOW/NEOS is going to become a tool for webmasters, not for professional developers. You did realize that

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Roland
Somebody decided something and the community must accept wordlessly. hey, that's democracy! :-) the community voted for the people to take those desicions. everybody is free to vote for other people next time. roland ps: i like the whole new concept - thanks again! :-)

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Tonix (Antonio Nati)
Il 10/10/2012 15:03, Tolleiv Nietsch ha scritto: Hi, Tonix (Antonio Nati) schrieb: TYPO3 is losing its professional skin. Finally wise words, because green is and will always be the official color of professionalism! *sigh* I was speaking about the development attitudes and features, not

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Jigal van Hemert
Hi, On 10-10-2012 15:37, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: But TYPO3 is really loosing its pro attitudes! Can you explain a bit? I can tell you that complains are the worst things to share in our community ;) In your vision of community there is no space for complaints? Just sheeps saying yes?

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Tolleiv Nietsch
Hi again, Tonix (Antonio Nati) schrieb: But TYPO3 is really loosing its pro attitudes! I disagree. In your vision of community there is no space for complaints? Just sheeps saying yes? Can only repeat myself: You did realize that we're an open source community where everyone is invited

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Stefano Kowalke
Am 10.10.12 15:13, schrieb Roland: the community voted for the people to take those desicions. everybody is free to vote for other people next time. Do you have an other understanding of the community? If you mean this in context of T3A, then this is wrong because only member of the T3A are

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Tonix (Antonio Nati)
Il 10/10/2012 16:26, Jigal van Hemert ha scritto: Hi, On 10-10-2012 15:37, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: But TYPO3 is really loosing its pro attitudes! Can you explain a bit? Coming from enterprise projects, I feel TYPO3 original founder had great analysis skills, so TYPO3 architecture has

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Philipp Gampe
Hi Milicev Uros, Milicev Uros wrote: We want poll We want poll We want poll ...!!! :D Cheers -- Philipp Gampe – PGP-Key 0AD96065 – TYPO3 UG Bonn/Köln Documentation – linkvalidator TYPO3 inspiring people to share! ___ TYPO3-english mailing

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Roland
hi stefano, the community voted for the people to take those desicions. everybody is free to vote for other people next time. Do you have an other understanding of the community? If you mean this in context of T3A, then this is wrong because only member of the T3A are able to vote the

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Lorenz Ulrich
We want poll We want poll We want poll !!! Move to Switzerland. We've got enough polls here. :-) Am 10.10.2012 17:31, schrieb Milicev Uros: ___ TYPO3-english mailing list TYPO3-english@lists.typo3.org

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Jigal van Hemert
Hi, On 10-10-2012 17:20, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: Coming from enterprise projects, I feel TYPO3 original founder had great analysis skills, so TYPO3 architecture has been deeply thought and designed. About actual developers, I have the feeling they are technologically skilled but lack any

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Katja Lampela
Hi, Rasmus thank you for the explanation and you and your team's work. I think this discussion is a bit hmm.. oh well.. First of all the change - even though it's not for everybody to love - is not that big, drastic or dramatic as some of us are saying. Considering it gets pluses from brand

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Tonix (Antonio Nati)
Il 10/10/2012 20:54, Jigal van Hemert ha scritto: Hi, On 10-10-2012 17:20, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote: Coming from enterprise projects, I feel TYPO3 original founder had great analysis skills, so TYPO3 architecture has been deeply thought and designed. About actual developers, I have the

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Olivier Dobberkau
Am 10.10.12 22:01, schrieb Tonix (Antonio Nati): future is elsewhere where? olivier ___ TYPO3-english mailing list TYPO3-english@lists.typo3.org http://lists.typo3.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-english

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Martin Bless
Hello Rasmus, first of all I'd like to say that I really appreciate your post and like reading it because it's full of enthusiasm. And you're trying to go for the best solution. Same with me: so enthusiasm and striving for excellence is what brings us together here. Very good. And I'm really

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-10 Thread Ralf-Rene Schröder
Am 11.10.2012 00:12, schrieb Martin Bless: That printing and displaying the green color has always given us problems I understand that two colors may be more expensive in print than one. But that's the price for having a more expressive logo. +1 and for thees guys they have problems with a

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-09 Thread Georg Ringer
Hi, my opinion: I am only a developer and not a designer and certainly not a logo or brand guru. Therefore I follow the principle in every area you are not trained, you got the knowledge of a 7year old. What does that mean? Of course I got an own opinion but this really just a private one and I

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-09 Thread Martin Bless
Hi Jigal, if I can I would restrict this thread to the topic of getting the green back. How do you feel about that? What about my arguments? The shape is so unique and distinct that it really doesn't matter IMO. As I wrote I surely have a different opinion there. And I have reasons to doubt

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-09 Thread Stefano Cecere
i agree on all Martin's line to take off the green hasn't brought anything better.. i see just negative effects.. seen it as a mistake it can be rolled back ps: T-shirt can always have the monocromatic version as always had! ps2: orange is my favourite color! :) -- --- - ---

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-09 Thread Jigal van Hemert
Hi, On 9-10-2012 12:03, Martin Bless wrote: if I can I would restrict this thread to the topic of getting the green back. How do you feel about that? What about my arguments? I have no feeling about getting the green back or going orange. As I've said, orange is not my favourite colour. I

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-09 Thread Katja Lampela
Hi, +1 to this. The more I look at it, more I like it. I like the simplicity and I think it works as a small version even better than the old one. But of course this is only my humble opinion :) - Katja 9.10.2012 9:48, Georg Ringer kirjoitti: I like the new logo, it makes it simplier and

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-09 Thread Martin Bless
Jigal, The all orange icon will clearly loose if compared to the orange-green one in terms of recognizability (Wiedererkennbarkeit). The only solution to this problem is to do research. Yes, that's true. But for some things there is so called face validity. You don't have to spend much money

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-09 Thread Kay Strobach
Sry, but i just must say, perfect example. Regards Kay -- http://www.kay-strobach.de - Open Source Rocks TYPO3 inspiring people to share! Get involved: http://typo3.org Answer was useful - feel free to donate: -

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-09 Thread Rasmus Skjoldan
Hey guys I'm responsible for the decision about excluding the green (and actually also to introduce it in the logo back then :-) ) - and I'd love to explain it in more detail than what Robert had time to include in the keynote. I'll get back tomorrow about it all :-) Best, Rasmus Katja

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-09 Thread François Suter
Hi Martin, I watched the keynote of the T3CON. The reason(ing) I heard was: We want to simplify things for you. It's cheaper to print the logo on t-shirts and so on with just one color. People would say TYPO3 is 'orange'. Did I miss an argument? Personally I don't mind the change itself. It's

Re: [TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

2012-10-09 Thread Den Denyer
On Mon, 08 Oct 2012 09:34:20 +0100, Martin Bless m.bl...@gmx.de wrote: Please don't be afraid to revert that decision. Put that green back. The earlier you do the less confusion will arise. You should do everything you can to avoid that people feel an inner dissonance or even a conflict. Don't

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