Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-22 Thread Сергей
I guess we got off the initial topic. We first need to identify the issue to fix the situation. We need to state clearly what our problem is, before we seek advice from Jono/Ivanka. I think we need to generalize the facts and go from particular cases to more general issues. Let's recall the

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-22 Thread Vishnoo
On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 15:27 +0300, Сергей wrote: people messing up the official wiki without discussing the changes first as a consequence. Let me ask this first, When should content/tasks be added to the official wiki? -- Cheers, Vish -- ubuntu-art mailing list

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-22 Thread Vishnoo
Since some of the recent active members are new, A few notes: Kenneth Wimer is still the team leader, but since his new job, he has gotten very busy with work and less active here. Thorsten Wilms had been the wiki admin for the Artwork/* section for more than 3-4 yrs. And he had been the longest

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-21 Thread Vishnoo
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 08:44 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: I asked for critique on a wallpaper idea I was playing with, and other than yourself I got 0 feedback. Again what is the point? I could have --no I should have just asked for your opinion over IRC. It would have been a heck of a lot

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-21 Thread Vishnoo
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 08:44 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: If I have to go to the blog to find out about important changes, then what exactly is the point of being here? Regarding Communications from the design team, IMO, this cycle they have improved this multifold. We have an increased

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-19 Thread Vishnoo
On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 00:36 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 19:30 -0500, coz DS wrote: We all need to do our part in trying to talk with jbaer, other

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-19 Thread Сергей
Banning a person is the last resource. If you have tried to resolve the issue privately and failed, why don't you take it publicly? We can have a meeting on IRC with John and the rest of the team and see if we can agree on how to move forward. What do you think? I don't quite like the

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-19 Thread Martin Owens
On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 16:37 +0530, Vishnoo wrote: Sure, a meeting to resolve this sounds good. Someone kindly take the initiative and set a datetime when John can attend. We tried that. It didn't work so well. I think we'd need personal attention from the CC. As an Ubuntu team our

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-18 Thread Leandro Gómez
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, Thorsten's recent mail Goodbye, has generated some response and there has been reference to issues and seeking advice from Jono/Ivanka. Highlighting the relevant replies: On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 18:40 +0100, Thorsten Wilms

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-18 Thread Сергей
2011/2/18 Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com People want to have fun and be productive, and not to constantly have to worry about people creating their own sub-groups and sabotaging existing process for their personal interest. I'm absolutely sure that all people on this list have good intentions. --

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-18 Thread Vishnoo
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 21:10 +0300, Сергей wrote: 2011/2/18 Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com People want to have fun and be productive, and not to constantly have to worry about people creating their own sub-groups and sabotaging existing process for their

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-18 Thread Сергей
2011/2/18 Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com I doubt that, even Thorsten and Martin tried to talk to him in private off the mailing list and try to resolve these issues of mis-communication, mis-representations. But nothing seems to help, hence the magnitude of frustration you notice in the replies

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-18 Thread Leandro Gómez
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 13:47 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: I don't like the way this is discussion is turning out. Of course, one disruptive member can cause a lot of problems. People get frustrated, they resign and cease

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-18 Thread Vishnoo
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 15:17 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 13:47 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: I don't like the way this is discussion is turning out. Of

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-18 Thread Leandro Gómez
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 15:17 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 13:47 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: I don't like the way

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-18 Thread Vishnoo
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 19:30 -0500, coz DS wrote: Hey guys Bad taste.. wrong timing...or just plain being an ass... the links offered by jbaer came at an inappropriate time. Let the judging of the included wallpapers finish..then do what you like... but official stuff needs to have a

Re: [ubuntu-art] Dealing with issues and seeking advice

2011-02-18 Thread Leandro Gómez
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 19:30 -0500, coz DS wrote: Hey guys Bad taste.. wrong timing...or just plain being an ass... the links offered by jbaer came at an inappropriate time. Let the judging of the included