arrivederci

Hi folks, I just wanna say goodbye. I will stop (trying to) contribute to open source. No more wiki writing, no more patches, no more bug reports. No more (eventually) trying to get packages into distributions. For me a sudden turn of events but I have had it with the treatment you

Re: Ubuntu and its derivatives (Lubuntu, Xubuntu etc.) should really consider adding cross-distribution installation/upgrade feature in Ubiquity

brendanperr...@gmail.com schreef op 05-02-2018 18:52: Yes people should back up their data anyway. Implementing this would be quite complicated it seems to me. I realize that e.g. OpenSUSE has a DVD-based upgrade mechanism but at the same time they don't have different 'flavours'. Even if

Re: Ubuntu Monthly Update Cadence Proposal

Bryan Quigley schreef op 02-02-2018 17:55: Stability means: no changes in functionality. Ah, this is the key point of my proposal. Stability for my purposes means predictability when changes in functionality will occur. I understand, I was just meaning to say that there is no culture or

Re: Ubuntu and its derivatives (Lubuntu, Xubuntu etc.) should really consider adding cross-distribution installation/upgrade feature in Ubiquity

Βασίλης Κατσαρέλιας schreef op 02-02-2018 17:08: Anyway, I just want Ubiquity to feature a cross-distribution upgrade/transfer feature. (e.g. upgrade from Ubuntu 14.04 to Lubuntu 16.04, upgrade from Kubuntu 16.04 to Xubuntu 17.10) Honestly this is more a place for an on-system upgrade

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 corrupting BIOS - many LENOVO laptops models - Bug #1734147

Oh Ralf, Ralf Mardorf schreef op 28-11-2017 19:22: I'm not a developer, however, consider to explain what makes you think that this is an Ubuntu related bug. On 28th of November this user reported this bug to this list. It had already been reported a few days prior. On 29th of November I

Re: The Simple Things in Life

Martin Pitt schreef op 21-07-2016 7:09: FWIW, this is the *only* reply to this thread that I will ever do. I'm too busy following my secret agenda to reply to the other mails... BTW, Martin. https://piware.de/2016/12/last-day-at-canonical/ I knew you were ;-). So Martin

Re: Speed vs Memory [was: On Lists and Iterables]

Oorspronkelijke bericht Onderwerp: Re: Speed vs Memory [was: On Lists and Iterables] Datum: 17-12-2017 12:28 Afzender: Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> Ontvanger: Neal McBurnett <n...@bcn.boulder.co.us> Just to summarize this. Xen schreef op 17-12-2017 12:22: Meanwhil

Re: On Lists and Iterables

Neal McBurnett schreef op 16-12-2017 18:16: Though, as John Lenton notes, there are excellent reasons for most of the changes in Python 3 By the way, all of these "excellent reasons" are disputed. And citing "authorative sources" does not make them any less disputed, or any more "proven".

Re: On Lists and Iterables

Neal McBurnett schreef op 16-12-2017 18:16: For example here I port your one-line Python 2 script that uses zip. $ cat porting_example.py print zip(["a","b"], ["c","d"]) $ python porting_example.py [('a', 'c'), ('b', 'd')] $ 2to3 porting_example.py > porting_example.patch $ cat

Re: On Lists and Iterables

Jonathon Fernyhough schreef op 16-12-2017 16:29: I've only been vaguely following this thread as it doesn't appear to be related to Ubuntu Development, but it seems to me you're annoyed that you started learning Python2 before finding out that it is being replaced by Python3. No, I don't like

Re: On Lists and Iterables

John Lenton schreef op 15-12-2017 13:02: On 15 December 2017 at 10:40, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: Zipping by definition produces a list of tuples No it's not I was talking about the semantical definition, not implementation details. That's how it was defined in python

On Lists and Iterables

I am just posting this so I don't have to save the text. 2.7: type(zip(["a","b"], ["c","d"])) 3 : type(zip(["a","b"], ["c","d"])) 3 : zip(["a","b"], ["c","d"]) 2.7: zip(["a","b"], ["c","d"]) [('a', 'c'), ('b', 'd')] 3 : list(zip(["a","b"], ["c","d"])) [('a',

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Daniel Watkins schreef op 15-12-2017 0:05: On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 11:45:23PM +0100, Xen wrote: The move towards Python 3 was forced, it didn't come natural for anyone. Nope, I have preferred Python 3 since ~3.3, and the transition has happened over _more than a decade_. So you waited till

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Colin Watson schreef op 09-12-2017 13:51: On Sat, Dec 09, 2017 at 12:47:28PM +0100, Xen wrote: Colin Watson schreef op 09-12-2017 0:24: > there are good reasons behind many of the changes in Python 3 You know, an appeal to "good reasons" is really a blanket statement that betray

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 09-12-2017 15:18: See https://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2017-December/036974.html The author "learned to be very selective" when he chose FLOSS software. That basically supports the notion that it is unwise to depend on anything because those you

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 09-12-2017 22:17: On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:31:12 +0100, Xen wrote: I think Kohlhaas was actually pretty sympathetic ;-). Indeed, but don't confuse the way of Kohlhaas, with the way of the worrier, as described by the Hagakure, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagakure

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 09-12-2017 9:19: PS: Don't get me wrong Xen, I get your point and without doubts you are "Kohlhaas", as I'm, too. I am pretty sure that if the upstream devs would have taken a more considerate approach, businesses would actually have been willing to fun

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Robie Basak schreef op 08-12-2017 22:22: Because Python 2 will be unsupported upstream and we don't have an unlimited amount of resources to maintain it in Ubuntu without upstream. The more time we spend on maintaining duplicate stuff in the archive, the less time we have to spend on other

Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

Python upstream announced the EOL of Python2 for 2020 https://pythonclock.org/ It is unlikely that the demotion of Python2 will be possible for the 18.04 LTS release, but please work on the issues so that we are ready for the demotion once OpenStack is using Python3. Personally I don't

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 corrupting BIOS - many LENOVO laptops models - Bug #1734147

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 29-11-2017 6:15: 3. Google also might help to report the bug to those responsible for it. Maybe Ubuntu isn't the culprit. The point that I'm trying to make is that even if it is simply a kernel issue not specific to Ubuntu, to the user Ubuntu is Ubuntu. Also if

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 corrupting BIOS - many LENOVO laptops models - Bug #1734147

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 29-11-2017 6:15: 1. Before I bought my new mobo, I ensured that it doesn't force me to use U/EFI/secure boot, to avoid all the known issues. Can you tell me how Windows... I could look it up, but I have used.. or maybe I haven't... All I' m saying is that I am running

Re: Ubuntu 17.10 corrupting BIOS - many LENOVO laptops models - Bug #1734147

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 28-11-2017 19:22: There are far more known issues, Google is your friend. I doubt that you will find a lot, if any known issues caused by Linux distribution, but there are a vast number of known issues, that are not caused by Linux distros. Doesn't help the person now

Re: Fwd: Ubuntu 17.10 corrupting BIOS - many LENOVO laptops models - Bug #1734147

I see the EFI fun has begun. Not predictable at all of course. Tobia schreef op 28-11-2017 12:06: UBUNTU 17.10 CORRUPTING BIOS - MANY LENOVO LAPTOPS MODELS - BUG #1734147 All of us affected cannot use their PCs anymore. Best regards, Tobia Antoniolli -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Re: Bug#881692: command-not-found: I re-wrote command-not-found

Shawn Landden schreef op 17-11-2017 8:55: On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: Julian Andres Klode schreef op 14-11-2017 8:50: * You should not depend on grep, sed, coreutils, they are Essential. Can I ask what this means? I actually

Re: Bug#881692: command-not-found: I re-wrote command-not-found

Julian Andres Klode schreef op 14-11-2017 8:50: * You should not depend on grep, sed, coreutils, they are Essential. Can I ask what this means? I actually assume that these dependencies are not *required*, not that you can't use the tools. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Re: Fwd: Re: It is time to use MATE DE as default desktop on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS

Vittorio schreef op 05-11-2017 21:20: 6) and then.. telling users that, if they don't cope with the bugs, they can obviously fix them by themselves. They are just being reasonable. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at:

Re: NO DESKTOP, PAY FOR UNITY (business model)

Jesse Steele schreef op 23-10-2017 12:00: GET OUT OF DESKTOP. Stop dividing developer attention. Unity was great for netbooks and small screen (or small resolution) computers. "Ubuntu" proper should ONLY be "server". Don't pick winners. Dear Mark Shuttleworth, your awesomeness is in

Re: [Feature Request] Support alias cls='clear' Officially

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 15-10-2017 10:26: However, if 'clear' should be too much to type when writing a scrip, there are better workarounds regarding script portability, than using an alias for 'clear' ;). I like typing a command. Fits in with the rhythm. FWIW using an alias such as 'll'

Re: [Feature Request] Support alias cls='clear' Officially

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 15-10-2017 6:22: Hi, On 14 Oct 2017, at 15:52, 蔡瑋倫 wrote: 1. From the perspective of keyboard typing, "cls" is much easier to type than "clear." what is speaking against using Ctrl+L ? Does the existence of Ctrl+L speak against the

Re: nvidia-304-dev

Jaime de Paula schreef op 27-09-2017 21:04: Hi there! My name is Jaime de Paula and I write from Brazil. I'm using Ubuntu 16.04 and have a GeForce 7025/ nForce 630a NVIDIA video card motherboard integrated. When I use Ubuntu with the Unity window manager and the NVIDIA legacy binary driver -

Re: systemd and openvpn

Robie Basak schreef op 18-09-2017 0:40: On Mon, Sep 18, 2017 at 12:32:26AM +0200, Göran Hasse wrote: They must have "forgot it". In that case, in the first instance upstream should be contacted directly with this report. Then the problem can be fixed for everyone without risking confusion to

Re: systemd and openvpn

Göran Hasse schreef op 18-09-2017 0:32: They must have "forgot it". An openvpn client service have the same importance as the login program. So it should be restarted (with some backoff strategy maybe). A system service of this importance should *always* be restarted after a krash! We had

Re: systemd and openvpn

he default setup seems to be that the user needs to man the post and try again manually. The above directive changes it to automatically, which is only reasonable for a Linux system. Regards, Xen. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or u

Re: New proposed Ubuntu startup and Shutdown sounds.

Siddharth-Jean Baburaj schreef op 05-08-2017 22:06: Dear Ubuntu team, My name is Siddharth-Jean Baburaj and I have created two recordings through my mobile of two new Ubuntu Startup and Shutdown sounds. They are way too robotic and ghastly. But don't mind my opinion. But I mean, I would

Re: 64bit BIOS changes to GUI Ubuntu Installer

Jesse Steele schreef op 06-08-2017 19:29: My father told me as a kid, "I can't make enough rules." That's how I feel about which BIOS settings need changing on each 64 bit machine I encounter. I would suggest that's bad parenting ;-). I appreciated the GUI Ubuntu installer using a one-time

Re: Ubuntu Desktop Favorite Apps

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 22-07-2017 19:24: It kills all three windows of xed, but just one of the three windows of xfw. Aye, thank you for that. Xfw is the window in the lower right here, right?: http://roland65.free.fr/xfe/images/screenshot-s1.png Doesn't look so bad, and at least it is a

Re: Ubuntu Desktop Favorite Apps

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 22-07-2017 17:23: On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 11:26:56 +0200, Xen wrote: Linux does not have a good single-window (no tabs) text editor. Perhaps xfw is "good" for your purpose? I did not write my message to get attention for the only purpose of exposing my perso

Re: Artful: Inkscape depending old libgtkmm & libgdkmm

Robie Basak schreef op 22-07-2017 10:56: On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 10:42:45AM +0200, Frans van Berckel wrote: So i think i am gonna reinstall the libgtkmm-2.4-1v5 just to find out what goes wrong. The question is still, how is the Happened? Difficult to know. But I've not seen this kind of

Re: Artful: Inkscape depending old libgtkmm & libgdkmm

Robie Basak schreef op 22-07-2017 10:59: On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 10:40:47AM +0200, Xen wrote: Robie, can you open SVG files in the default install of Inkscape? Yes. I opened one yesterday. Or is there some specific GUI method of opening an SVG that you want me to confirm is working

Re: Ubuntu Desktop Favorite Apps

Dustin Kirkland schreef op 21-07-2017 17:26: You're welcome to engage in discussion here, or in any one of the following venues where we've cross posted this request, in the interest of the broadest possible engagement with the Ubuntu community at large: The only things I would personally

Re: Artful: Inkscape depending old libgtkmm & libgdkmm

Robie Basak schreef op 22-07-2017 9:43: Running inkscape from the command line just works. Have you confirmed that this isn't a misconfiguration or corruption on your system? Robie, can you open SVG files in the default install of Inkscape? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list

Re: Render with two pc

freddy walde schreef op 12-07-2017 10:21: Hi.I am a user of Ubuntu studio and I use it mainly to edit time lapse photos as a hobby. My query is if you can make a cluster between my laptop and pc to improve the speed of rendering, the idea is for the eagerness to decrease the time, put a solid

Re: netplan by default in artful (replacing ifupdown)

Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre schreef op 21-06-2017 2:58: Hi, Since Friday, netplan is now the default in artful. It is now included in the minimal seed, and thus part of all installs by default (if you find it missing, it's a bug I encourage you to report and let me know). It's a direct replacement

Re: libnss-ldap

Xen schreef op 13-05-2017 14:07: --- /etc/init.d/libnss-ldap.old 2017-05-13 15:03:05.867280470 +0200 +++ /etc/init.d/libnss-ldap 2017-05-13 14:51:05.326809059 +0200 @@ -6,4 +6,4 @@ # Required-Stop: mountall.sh -# Default-Start: -# Default-Stop: 0 1 6 +# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5

libnss-ldap

I wrote here earlier apparently about libnss-ldap needing a systemd service file or at least not installing its service that it uses to add system groups to an ignore list so nsswitch won't try to get them from LDAP. Upon installation of this service on a Kubuntu 16.04 system

Re: libnss-ldap

Xen schreef op 13-05-2017 12:22: I thought earlier that this would be some error with update-rc.d. I am sorry. Here is a rundown of the issue. The postinst script for libnss-ldap calls invoke-rc.d start which would normally take care of part of the issue. However the "local script p

Re: LVM data corruption

Forgot to say, for completeness: Yes any PV with a single VG with a single LV will do. Or conversely any VG with a single PV with a single LV will do. 1. Any type of LVM setup is probably going to be fine. 2. DD the entire disk including partitions including LVM partition (PV) is going to

Re: LVM data corruption

Robie Basak schreef op 23-01-2017 12:58: On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:42:37PM +0100, Xen wrote: Perhaps you could say the intent of my message is to urge a newer version for 16.04 as well, but that is up to you. I just wanted to state the issues here. This won't happen unless someone

Re: LVM data corruption

Gave you the wrong reference. "https://www.redhat.com/archives/linux-lvm/2017-January/msg00013.html; Is the right one. I wrote "It immediately replaced the good PV with the bad PV (that I was trying to change) so I cannot actually get to the "bad" PV (which is duplicate) to change it

Re: LVM data corruption

Robie Basak schreef op 23-01-2017 12:05: On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 10:02:11AM +0100, Xen wrote: The version of LVM that ships with 16.04 cannot handle duplicate UUIDs. If you so much as DD a disk to another drive and run a single LVM command, your running system will be ruined

LVM data corruption

I just want to write a small note on the topic of LVM data safety. The version of LVM that ships with 16.04 cannot handle duplicate UUIDs. If you so much as DD a disk to another drive and run a single LVM command, your running system will be ruined. Chances are high LVM will prefer the new

Re: Make systemd journal persistent | remove rsyslog (by default)

Louis Bouchard schreef op 18-01-2017 9:08: Hello, Le 17/01/2017 à 21:46, Bryan Quigley a écrit : On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Jamie Strandboge wrote: ... > There are two things here: > 1. make systemd journal persistent > 2. avoid duplicate logs from rsyslog > >

Re: When will the lighttpd be updated on xenial

Cadence schreef op 14-01-2017 7:06: Hi, The latest version of lighttpd available for xenial is 1.4.35 from April 2016. There were lots of new lighttpd versions since then. Most notably for me, 1.4.42 introduced mod_authn_mysql authentication. When will this version be available for ubuntu

Re: Make systemd journal persistent | remove rsyslog (by default)

Bryan Quigley schreef op 12-01-2017 16:50: We could explicitly keep rsyslog supported in main for at least 18.04 for the for those who need it (or indefinitely if we find it's still needed for remote enterprise logging). I was thinking that we might have to keep it in main until 18.04 anyway

Re: Ubuntu in Chinese for Taiwan - Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 121, Issue 3

JMZ schreef op 06-12-2016 18:14: On 12/06/2016 10:21 AM, Jesse Steele wrote: As I understand, current Ubuntu users are sophisticated types like super-geeks, engineers, and professors. They probably provide most input for Ubuntu's knowledge base, but there is no reason Ubuntu can't work for

Re: ppa-purge

Jarno Suni schreef op 01-12-2016 6:51: On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:30 AM, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: > Jarno Suni schreef op 29-11-2016 20:11: On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 6:44 PM, Jarno Suni <j_s...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: "debline" form that ad

Re: ppa-purge

Jarno Suni schreef op 30-11-2016 9:57: On Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:30 AM, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: > Jarno Suni schreef op 29-11-2016 20:11: If removing Ubuntu components such as 'multiverse' or 'backports' is supposed to be supported, some user interfac

Re: ppa-purge

Jarno Suni schreef op 29-11-2016 20:11: On Tuesday, November 29, 2016 6:44 PM, Jarno Suni wrote: "debline" form that add-apt-repository supports, and URL form that add-apt-repository supports, too, but that is undocumented, are not currently supported by ppa-purge.

Re: 4.8 kernel for Xenial

John Lenton schreef op 21-11-2016 16:11: On 21 November 2016 at 13:55, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: Not to mention that 4.4 doesn't support 900 nVidia GPUs which have been out for like 2 years. As a happy user of a GTX 970 on xenial's 4.4, I'm puzzled by your assertion. Then I s

Re: 4.8 kernel for Xenial

Sam Van den Eynde schreef op 10-11-2016 13:54: Hi, I'm aware of the manual possibilities to install it myself, but is anybody aware of an expected timeframe for the Yakkety 4.8 kernel to become available in the Xenial repositories? The main reason is to get a new version of zfs, since it

Re: Adding a kernel removal script to linux-base or elsewhere

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 15-10-2016 17:22: "Cryptic Shell Commands There are various cryptic shell incantations floating around help sites and search engines that promise to remove older kernels. Copy-and-paste mysterious incantations into your system at your own risk." should read "Shell

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

amon schreef op 14-10-2016 18:11: I am not going to continue with this other than to correct some really strange assumptions. First, I was probably using Unix when the person who claims I must be amongst those who do not basics was still in nappies. Second, none of those suggestions will find

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Oliver Grawert schreef op 14-10-2016 12:06: hi, Am Donnerstag, den 13.10.2016, 18:31 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf: On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:42:29 +0200, Xen wrote: > > Can you please come out of your psychosis now? On Thu, 13 Oct 2016 17:49:24 +0200, Xen wrote:. >  > > Please

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf, maybe you should stop telling other people what they should do. Just saying. That no one needs your advice on what to do, no one is asking for it. You don't determine what people are free to do and what not, and you are no moderator here. You are producing a whole lot of noise giving

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 11-10-2016 21:16: "These are all practically unused options." And they are. I have never come across a single file that had the immutable bit set or I would have found out. If the graphical tools don't support it it won't be much use unless automated system

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

amon schreef op 12-10-2016 4:37: The problem is that in my desktop I end up with a race. The desktop detects the new device and ignores cryptab and fstab and asks if I want to mount or whatever. I have to give it a NO and then go to a root shell and execute a manual cryptdisk_start and mount

on systems that require frequent updates

Tom H schreef op 11-10-2016 22:36: Absolutely. I'd switch on the update thingy for them to click OK for their systems to be updated. Here is a quick baffling picture on the topic of automatic updates. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CugYubMXEAALJ20.jpg:large This guy spent 11 hours getting his

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Tom H schreef op 11-10-2016 22:36: What I mean by maintain is make sure that updates are installed, just like on Windows and macOS. Aye. To me it is a detriment. I used to turn Windows Update off completely for years while I was running XP and 7. For me the incessant updates are only a

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Tom H schreef op 11-10-2016 16:52: On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 1:01 PM, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: That's not really true. The vast majority of people would go screaming for a Windows or Mac PC if they had Linux preinstalled. The level of system maintenance I would have to give to my

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

JMZ schreef op 10-10-2016 11:58: The vast majority of consumer boxes run Windows because of Microsoft's bundling deal with the manufacturers. It's nothing really to do with Windows performance or ease of use (both of which are poor). It's just that Mr./Ms. Everyday User doesn't really know

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

amon schreef op 10-10-2016 15:53: Since the topic seems to be mounting of devices from user space... 1) You can use sshfs to mount pretty much any directory, anywhere to which you have password access on any mount point for which you have privs. I used to use it a lot. Works great. I

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Daniel Llewellyn schreef op 09-10-2016 21:43: On 09/10/16 20:35, Xen wrote: Personally I think SystemD is lower level and in that sense more dependable and more broad...ly available. It might not do the same things but... at least it is something both parties could use. Well, I would love

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Daniel Llewellyn schreef op 09-10-2016 21:37: On 09/10/16 20:17, Daniel Llewellyn wrote: On 09/10/16 19:53, Xen wrote: As a feature request that you could try to get implemented by the gnome guys you could suggest to their issue-tracker that gvfs support KIO-slaves. Also would be worth

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Daniel Llewellyn schreef op 09-10-2016 21:17: On 09/10/16 19:53, Xen wrote: I am pretty sure that any application that does not support GVFS will not see those mounts so easily. You will have to symlink them and that defeats the purpose of the system in a certain sense. There is no default

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 09-10-2016 20:12: Hi, this time I read your complete mail, I just didn't watch the video. A very last reply from me. If you notice, that low level software requires improvement, you could assume that this isn't something Ubuntu developers could change. A feature

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Daniel Llewellyn schreef op 09-10-2016 19:39: OK, I'll bite.. On 09/10/16 18:26, Xen wrote: Daniel Llewellyn schreef op 09-10-2016 19:07: These are not consistently mounted, is what I was talking about. You will have to go to that mount point (browse to that network share) every time you

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Daniel Llewellyn schreef op 09-10-2016 19:07: On 09/10/16 17:32, Xen wrote: The same is true with mounting samba shares, it is not possible with any degree of ease, today. Of course, I want to work on it, but I can't do everything alone, or at the same time. I'll just leave this here (copy

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Colin Law schreef op 09-10-2016 16:48: On 9 October 2016 at 15:43, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: Colin Law schreef op 09-10-2016 14:38: On 9 October 2016 at 12:56, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: Colin Law schreef op 09-10-2016 9:28: ... I was not commenting on any part

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Colin Law schreef op 09-10-2016 14:38: On 9 October 2016 at 12:56, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: Colin Law schreef op 09-10-2016 9:28: ... I was not commenting on any particular topic, merely pointing out that that Ralf (I think) said there are some things that Linux "doe

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Colin Law schreef op 09-10-2016 9:28: On 8 October 2016 at 23:58, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: Colin Law schreef op 08-10-2016 18:29: On 8 October 2016 at 17:21, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: Ralf Mardorf schreef op 06-10-2016 12:42: Just a very laste note. On Wed, 2016

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Colin Law schreef op 08-10-2016 18:29: On 8 October 2016 at 17:21, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: Ralf Mardorf schreef op 06-10-2016 12:42: Just a very laste note. On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 22:29 +0200, Xen wrote: >> In Windows Yes you conveniently break off my statement but (I

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 06-10-2016 12:42: Just a very laste note. On Wed, 2016-10-05 at 22:29 +0200, Xen wrote: >> In Windows Yes you conveniently break off my statement but (I had to look for it) it was about something that has *nothing* to do with security as it dealth with network

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Brendan Perrine schreef op 06-10-2016 23:54: On Wed, 05 Oct 2016 14:49:21 +0200 Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: might not even be a problem. I honestly wonder why you need to run programs off a usb stick. I remember even when I was a windows users thinking why do I need that. I ha

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Colin Watson schreef op 05-10-2016 21:44: On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 04:23:38PM +0200, Xen wrote: Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:41: >along with that click packages are user packages and being used in >ubuntu products on sale since 2015 (snaps will replace them >eventually).

Re: libnss-ldap needs systemd service file.

Colin Watson schreef op 06-10-2016 13:36: And yet you then go on to describe more or less how to do exactly that using ExecStop. (Yes, this is technically "stop" rather than "start" and requires having a pseudo-service "started" before then, but I think that's an uninteresting matter of

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 17:05: On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:30, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:31: let alone that some people don't use fstab at all on systemd installs. So what do they use instead? systemd I still use systemd with

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 17:02: o a On 05 Oct 2016, at 16:23, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: Errors? Hopefully warnings, such as the GTK GUI crap. When launching a GUI by CLI I sometimes add 2>/dev/null ;). KScreen. Lots of it. Of course there are probably

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:56: On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:59, Himanshu Shekhar wrote: Standardized things, at least for a distro. Each distro has got it's policy, a distro specific standard. We could chose the distro that fits best to our needs. I didn't want to respond to this idea,

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 15:44: On 05 Oct 2016, at 14:49, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: Ion Windows it is very easy to put some application on some usb stick and run it from there, but this is hardly possible even in Linux. You don't need to link against shared libraries. N

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:44: i must say that in many aspects i find nmcli more powerfull than ifconfig for scripting ...  it changed a lot within the last years ...  one big disadvantage is still that it requires a lot of dependencies ip or ifconfig do not require ... but disk

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Oliver Grawert schreef op 05-10-2016 14:41: hi, On Mi, 2016-10-05 at 04:05 +0200, Xen wrote: Xen schreef op 05-10-2016 3:32: > > In short, the discrepancy between what a user can do and what root > can > do, is too big. The result of this is that most services are installed comple

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 14:11: On 05 Oct 2016, at 12:09, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote: [snip] Main problems in Linux have not been solved and now big solutions are built on top of it, and the consequence is that those high level solutions must be as shabby as the low

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

JMZ schreef op 05-10-2016 7:50: Is there really a huge learning curve for .bashrc and xinit? .bashrc is mostly a way to make an alias list. What I fear about snappy and other modularized systems is unnecessary complexity. I fear that simple commands such as tar -t are going to be replaced with

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 05-10-2016 9:16: On 05 Oct 2016, at 04:05, Xen "questioned" the way things are managed system wide and per user. I recommend to do either a minimalist Ubuntu install, e.g. use the server image and uncheck all recommended package groups, then start to install

Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world

Himanshu Shekhar schreef op 03-10-2016 16:33: 3. Flatpak vs Snaps. Both are about to turn great. However, I feel like all major decision makers should come together to work on one standardized desktop ecosystem, and rule out the chaos of different distributions. Both are independent efforts to

User feedback UI mockup (on packages)

I said I would create a mockup, well here it is. http://www.xen.dds.nl/test/ It annoys the living shit out of me because it won't allow me to click buttons but it is not more than 90% done (this version). The idea is pretty self-evident but I hate myself here ;-). The annoying part is that

Re: LibreOffice Install and Use Problems

Oliver Grawert schreef op 28-09-2016 13:29: beyond this how do you know the bug is not caused by a (possibly) patched libboost, a gtk patch mint applies, held back upgrades or some weird filesystem mangling the mint installer does ... there are millions of possibilities you can not take into

Re: LibreOffice Install and Use Problems

Oliver Grawert schreef op 28-09-2016 11:38: whatever results from this is definitely not supportable on an ubuntu list ... mint isnt a flavour like {x,k,l,ed}ubuntu{-mate} where distro  changes are collaboratively made in the archive and used by everyone with the same results, there are

Re: LibreOffice Install and Use Problems

Oliver Grawert schreef op 27-09-2016 18:35: hi, Am Dienstag, den 27.09.2016, 08:51 -0700 schrieb paulwhee...@cox.net:   Package info: Version: 1:5.1.4-0ubuntu1  (xenial-updates) Unless I am mistaken, you are the package maintainers, so it does not matter what Linux system it is installed on,

Re: My opinion on Ubuntu cancelling Intel 80386/80386-clone processor support

Ralf Mardorf schreef op 18-09-2016 16:01: with or without 32 bit support. The whole point was that "with or without" is not good enough. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at:

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