Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-12 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 09:39 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: The Fluendo plug-in is the only fully legal MP3 codec implementation there is to use. You don't know that for sure Dobey, libmad has never gone to court and it's status is a guess. Perhaps a very good guess, but a guess just the same. Of

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-12 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 04:44:19AM -0400, Martin Owens wrote: I didn't think Debian had issues with GPL libs though, that's new to me. It doesn't. There's at least one in the base system. The gstreamer good/bad/ugly split is determined by upstream, not by Debian. -- Colin Watson

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-12 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 04:44 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 09:39 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: The Fluendo plug-in is the only fully legal MP3 codec implementation there is to use. You don't know that for sure Dobey, libmad has never gone to court and it's status is a

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-12 Thread Scott Kitterman
Rodney Dawes rodney.da...@canonical.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 04:44 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 09:39 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: The Fluendo plug-in is the only fully legal MP3 codec implementation there is to use. You don't know that for sure Dobey, libmad

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-12 Thread Martin Owens
On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 10:17 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: Given that libmad is GPL and has not paid license fees to implement the MP3 codec, it is not legal. Whether or not you disagree with the validity of patents or not is irrelevant. It's not patents I disagree with, it's the idea that

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-11 Thread Martin Owens
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 05:41 +0100, Colin Watson wrote: beyond what's normally considered free software With this meta package it gets very tricky, firstly because we've got four issues: distribution rights, copyrights, patents and one special case of DMCA issues. Most of the software/content

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-11 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 03:47 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: - gstreamer0.10-fluendo-mp3 - Non-free, not sure why we're using this instead of libmad which is free software. We aren't using any of them, actually. We are packaging several, which are not installed by default, within an appropriate

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-10 Thread Micah Gersten
On 09/23/2011 03:56 PM, Allison Randal wrote: Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle. What's on your mind? Allison ubuntu-restricted-extras Most of the stuff in

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 03:03:13PM -0500, Micah Gersten wrote: ubuntu-restricted-extras Most of the stuff in ubuntu-restricted-extras is either not restricted or in partner now. Perhaps this should be broken out into ubuntu-extras and ubuntu-restricted-extras? Partner is often more

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-10 Thread Micah Gersten
On 10/10/2011 03:31 PM, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 03:03:13PM -0500, Micah Gersten wrote: ubuntu-restricted-extras Most of the stuff in ubuntu-restricted-extras is either not restricted or in partner now. Perhaps this should be broken out into ubuntu-extras and

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-10 Thread Daniel Hollocher
ubuntu-restricted-extras Most of the stuff in ubuntu-restricted-extras is either not restricted or in partner now. Perhaps this should be broken out into ubuntu-extras and ubuntu-restricted-extras? Micah Another issue is that it looks like it is pulling in the FOSS version of java,

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-10-10 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 03:41:31PM -0500, Micah Gersten wrote: On 10/10/2011 03:31 PM, Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 03:03:13PM -0500, Micah Gersten wrote: ubuntu-restricted-extras Most of the stuff in ubuntu-restricted-extras is either not restricted or in partner now.

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-28 Thread Colin Watson
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 07:52:39AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Scott Kitterman [2011-09-28 1:33 -0400]: Will we sync from Testing or Unstable this cycle? My feeling is that syncing from testing served us well for the last LTS, and Debian is not in a freeze which would force unstable to calm

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-28 Thread Dustin Kirkland
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:39 AM, Colin Watson cjwat...@ubuntu.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 07:52:39AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote: Scott Kitterman [2011-09-28  1:33 -0400]: Will we sync from Testing or Unstable this cycle? My feeling is that syncing from testing served us well for the

RE: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-28 Thread Jason Ticehlzuk
Can you guys PLEASE make reducing heat power consumption the top priority for P-series? Ubuntu Forums is filled with posts about ubuntu running hot, forced shutdowns from heat, and draining batteries. When running Ubuntu, my netbook's fan runs constantly and the computer feels hot to touch.

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-28 Thread Alexandre Strube
Hello Jason! Thanks for your email! You can help! Computer programs are more or less simple things, and they can only do so much. To make the computer hot and drain batteries, they are either 1) using a lot of cpu, or 2) making a lot of disk activity. If your model of computer is experiencing

Re: Python startup time (was: Brainstorming for UDS-P)

2011-09-28 Thread Christopher James Halse Rogers
On Tue, 2011-09-27 at 01:08 +0200, Benjamin Drung wrote: Am Montag, den 26.09.2011, 13:48 +0200 schrieb Sebastien Bacher: Le vendredi 23 septembre 2011 à 21:56 +0100, Allison Randal a écrit : Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 27, 2011, at 01:02 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: If you aim your minimum Python version at 2.6, it's not that hard to write code that works with both python and python3. If you want a P target for Python3, I'd suggest getting Ubuntu custom code working in either so that we can through the

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-27 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, September 23, 2011 09:56:17 PM Allison Randal wrote: Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle. What's on your mind? Will we sync from Testing or Unstable this cycle?

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-27 Thread Martin Pitt
Scott Kitterman [2011-09-28 1:33 -0400]: Will we sync from Testing or Unstable this cycle? My feeling is that syncing from testing served us well for the last LTS, and Debian is not in a freeze which would force unstable to calm down, so I would go again for autosyncing from testing, and

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-26 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le vendredi 23 septembre 2011 à 21:56 +0100, Allison Randal a écrit : Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle. What's on your mind? Allison Hey Allison, Some desktopish

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-26 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On vie, 2011-09-23 at 21:56 +0100, Allison Randal wrote: Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle. What's on your mind? as GNOME upstream is moving to use PackageKit and systemd

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-26 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On dom, 2011-09-25 at 19:23 +0200, David Henningsson wrote: On 09/23/2011 10:56 PM, Allison Randal wrote: Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle. What's on your mind? In

RE: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-26 Thread nick rundy
running laptop (Less Noise because the fan doesn't need to run as much because the laptop uses less power runs cooler) 2.) bug fixing and refinement of already existing features/applications Subject: Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P From: seb...@ubuntu.com To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, September 26, 2011 03:58:56 PM Rodrigo Moya wrote: On vie, 2011-09-23 at 21:56 +0100, Allison Randal wrote: Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle. What's on your

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-26 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On lun, 2011-09-26 at 10:40 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Monday, September 26, 2011 03:58:56 PM Rodrigo Moya wrote: On vie, 2011-09-23 at 21:56 +0100, Allison Randal wrote: Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-26 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 15:58 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: as GNOME upstream is moving to use PackageKit and systemd more and more, I think it would be great, since these 2 provide well known DBus interfaces, to implement those DBus interfaces in our stack (aptdaemon and ¿ubuntu-system-service?)

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-26 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On lun, 2011-09-26 at 13:04 -0400, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Mon, 2011-09-26 at 15:58 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: as GNOME upstream is moving to use PackageKit and systemd more and more, I think it would be great, since these 2 provide well known DBus interfaces, to implement those DBus

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 25, 2011, at 01:29 PM, Martin Pitt wrote: Barry Warsaw [2011-09-23 19:55 -0400]: * Python 3 only on the CDs. Given that in Oneiric we do not have a single Python 3 app on the CD, there are major blockers like dbus etc., and that P is an LTS/stability cycle, I think we should limit

Python startup time (was: Brainstorming for UDS-P)

2011-09-26 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Montag, den 26.09.2011, 13:48 +0200 schrieb Sebastien Bacher: Le vendredi 23 septembre 2011 à 21:56 +0100, Allison Randal a écrit : Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle.

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, September 26, 2011 06:58:45 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: The python-dbus issue is a tricky one. I understand that it's a blocker for KDE. Python-opengl is another one. While I know PyQt4 and PyKDE4 have Python3 ports, I have not examined how complete they are, but I'm sure they need

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-25 Thread Martin Pitt
Barry Warsaw [2011-09-23 19:55 -0400]: * Python 3 only on the CDs. Given that in Oneiric we do not have a single Python 3 app on the CD, there are major blockers like dbus etc., and that P is an LTS/stability cycle, I think we should limit ourselves to shipping some python 3 apps. * Python 2.6

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-25 Thread David Henningsson
On 09/23/2011 10:56 PM, Allison Randal wrote: Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle. What's on your mind? In general, avoid big new things that will be half-baked if we start

RE: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-24 Thread Sam Smith
to view mp3 and mp4 tags in a list-like details view. Maybe this could be accomplished via plugins or something? From: ubu...@kitterman.com To: ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 22:54:35 -0400 On Friday, September 23, 2011 09:57

Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-23 Thread Allison Randal
Hi all, While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle. What's on your mind? Allison -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at:

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-23 Thread Kyrillos Mossad
I'd like to see ambient light sensor support for don't laptops as of now only Macs and I believe Asus laptops are natively supported without patches. It would also be nice to have fingerprint reader support built in On Sep 23, 2011 6:02 PM, Evan Huus eapa...@gmail.com wrote: There's been a

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 23, 2011, at 09:56 PM, Allison Randal wrote: While we're all in the final preparations for Oneiric, it's round about that time in the cycle to start thinking about plans for the next cycle. What's on your mind? * Python 3 only on the CDs. * Python 2.6 dropped. This time for sure. :)

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-23 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, September 23, 2011 07:55:24 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: * Python 3 only on the CDs. Not feasible for Kubuntu unless an upstream Python 3 port for python-dbus appears (which python-qt4/pykde4 can support). * Python 2.6 dropped. Yes. We should do this as part of the toolchain setup for

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 23, 2011, at 08:12 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Friday, September 23, 2011 07:55:24 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: * Python 3 only on the CDs. Not feasible for Kubuntu unless an upstream Python 3 port for python-dbus appears (which python-qt4/pykde4 can support). Yep, I fully expect there

Re: Brainstorming for UDS-P

2011-09-23 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Friday, September 23, 2011 09:57:09 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: On Sep 23, 2011, at 08:12 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: On Friday, September 23, 2011 07:55:24 PM Barry Warsaw wrote: * Python 3 only on the CDs. Not feasible for Kubuntu unless an upstream Python 3 port for python-dbus appears