Re: This needs attention

2014-05-28 Thread Gabor Toth
All right, what I see we went onto the track of working together to handle the bug rather than fighting each other. That is great! I personally haven't encountered this particular bug, but I'm glad it is being handled. If I can be of any assistance please let me know. Ml, Gabor Toth

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-28 Thread Brian Murray
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 09:05:40PM +0200, Alberto Salvia Novella wrote: On 27/05/14 16:56, C de-Avillez wrote: A technical opinion on a technical issue will rule out every other opinion until proved wrong. Summarizing: for confirming this bug, you need to provide a series of steps that will

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-28 Thread Alberto Salvia Novella
On 28/05/14 14:58, Brian Murray wrote: I personally try to modify bug titles such that they are more specific as I learn more information about why the particular reporter had the problem. For me this sounds like an important step when triaging bugs. On 28/05/14 16:34, Scott Kitterman wrote:

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-27 Thread Gabor Toth
Hi, I feel like I need to say something to this conversation as I found this subject quite disturbing. As part of my work I install Ubuntu systems to customers and use Ubuntu for long years now, having been through almost all distros of Ubuntu. I have done some testing too and helped on bug

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-27 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Gabor, I have kept silent on this issue, but I give you a huge +1 for putting into words some of the frustration I have seen whereby one person continually cancels out what is a clear issue for many others. Regards, Phill. On 27 May 2014 07:35, Gabor Toth gabor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-27 Thread Nio Wiklund
Hi Gabor and Phill, I add another +1 for putting into words some of the frustration I have seen whereby one person continually cancels out what is a clear issue for many others. Best regards Nio 2014-05-27 09:03, Phill Whiteside skrev: Hi Gabor, I have kept silent on this issue, but I give

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-27 Thread C de-Avillez
(I am using Gabor's email to answer a series of points in many emails. I am just using his email because it is much clearer, complete, and nice than some of the previous emails.) On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Gabor Toth gabor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I feel like I need to say something to

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-27 Thread Alberto Salvia Novella
On 27/05/14 16:56, C de-Avillez wrote: A technical opinion on a technical issue will rule out every other opinion until proved wrong. Summarizing: for confirming this bug, you need to provide a series of steps that will break GRUB consistently. Till then the appropriate status for the

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-27 Thread C de-Avillez
On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella es204904...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/05/14 16:56, C de-Avillez wrote: A technical opinion on a technical issue will rule out every other opinion until proved wrong. Summarizing: for confirming this bug, you need to provide a series of

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-27 Thread Nicholas Skaggs
On 05/27/2014 03:51 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella es204904...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/05/14 16:56, C de-Avillez wrote: A technical opinion on a technical issue will rule out every other opinion until proved wrong. Summarizing: for confirming

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-27 Thread chris hermansen
Nicholas and list, On May 27, 2014 6:09 PM, Nicholas Skaggs nicholas.ska...@canonical.com wrote: On 05/27/2014 03:51 PM, C de-Avillez wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Alberto Salvia Novella es204904...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/05/14 16:56, C de-Avillez wrote: A technical opinion on

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-26 Thread Samuel Gabbay
This has to be fixed immediately. As users are most probably going to start flooding the askubuntu website about this! 2014-05-25 18:36 GMT-04:00 Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com: Hi, If you care about ubuntu quality you need to have a look at this:

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-26 Thread Elfy
On 26/05/14 14:11, Samuel Gabbay wrote: This has to be fixed immediately. As users are most probably going to start flooding the askubuntu website about this! And? If you want to fix it immediately then no-one will stop you. Mailing this list with petulant replies like this won't help.

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-26 Thread Thomas Ward
*Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse any typos, as they are likely to happen by accident.* On May 26, 2014, at 10:54, Alberto Salvia Novella es204904...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/05/14 00:36, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: If you care about ubuntu quality you need to have a look at this:

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-26 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
The most dangerous thing is not even the bug itself, but the fact that there is an idiot who keeps claiming that it shouldn't even be fixed, and changing the status of the bug report to anthing but confirmed (invalid, then opinion, now won't fix). The bug was reported in march and actions

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-26 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
On 27/05/14 00:19, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: The most dangerous thing is not even the bug itself, but the fact that there is an idiot who keeps claiming that it shouldn't even be fixed, and changing the status of the bug report to anthing but confirmed (invalid, then opinion, now won't fix).

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-26 Thread Alberto Salvia Novella
El 27/05/14 00:19, Matteo Sisti Sette escribió: If you care about ubuntu quality you need to have a look at this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/__ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/__1289977 Brian; as Ubuntu Bug Master; could you please give your opinion in this report, so everybody can stop this long

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-26 Thread Thomas Ward
If I may make a suggestion, can we all just calm down on this, Matteo, your posting to a list, going on the offensive against someone and apparently getting very annoyed at it. That much is evident by the overall tone of your messages. My suggestion is to calm down, and relax a little. This

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-26 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Ok, I'm calm and relaxed now. Thanks. Sorry for the offensive language. It's just a matter of replacing a word or two in my email and the meaning remains intact, though. If you have a look at the recent discussion in the bug report and especially the changes made by Phillip Susi, I think you

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
You can't quit can you? Many developers, such as Phillip (and myself) are volunteers and are doing our best to help make Ubuntu better. Hostile behavior such as yours makes Ubuntu development a lot less enticing as a way to spend my free time. It's also highly correlated in my experience

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-26 Thread Phill Whiteside
But, of course, with the bug being reported before release, it may have been in the release notes that no body reads, But it could have been if any of the release team actually checked :D It is an interesting bug as people try to say 'It is user error' when the the users are saying 'it's dev

Re: This needs attention

2014-05-26 Thread Scott Kitterman
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