Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-26 Thread Len Ovens
On Thu, January 26, 2012 2:52 am, Ralf Madorf wrote: > If you lock the door, you could run into trouble, if the studio catches > fire and btw. it's a safe bet that somebody will knock at the door. The I thought of that after. > A balancing act regarding to the realtime group issue isn't worse t

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-26 Thread Ralf Madorf
On Wed, 2012-01-25 at 17:52 -0800, Len Ovens wrote: > On Tue, January 24, 2012 8:37 pm, David Henningsson wrote: > > > One of the advantages of Linux is that the line between "single user > > system" and "multi user system" is blurry. E g, I could run a web server > > or other service on the same

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-25 Thread Len Ovens
On Tue, January 24, 2012 8:37 pm, David Henningsson wrote: > One of the advantages of Linux is that the line between "single user > system" and "multi user system" is blurry. E g, I could run a web server > or other service on the same machine as I use for audio production. This > is great, it sa

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-24 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On 2012-01-25 05:37, David Henningsson wrote: If Ubuntu Studio wants to be insecure in that sense, I guess that would be okay (to me personally, I can't speak for Ubuntu's security team), but I would definitely not have it in the Ubuntu by default. It is not audio group (or whatever it may be

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-24 Thread David Henningsson
On 01/24/2012 04:15 PM, Ralf Madorf wrote: On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 09:48 +0100, David Henningsson wrote: Or possibly one could add some kind of script that would give RT prio to the current logged in user (and remove it if the user logs out)? So you assume that there never will be more than one

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-24 Thread Ralf Madorf
On Tue, 2012-01-24 at 09:48 +0100, David Henningsson wrote: > Or possibly one could add some kind of script that would give RT prio to > the current logged in user (and remove it if the user logs out)? So you assume that there never will be more than one user be logged in? There's no need to remo

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-24 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On 2012-01-24 10:51, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: On 2012-01-24 09:48, David Henningsson wrote: Is there an "Ubuntu Studio Controls" application still around? If so, that might be the right place to aid with this. Or possibly one could add some kind of script that would give RT prio to the current logged

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-24 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On 2012-01-24 09:48, David Henningsson wrote: Is there an "Ubuntu Studio Controls" application still around? If so, that might be the right place to aid with this. Or possibly one could add some kind of script that would give RT prio to the current logged in user (and remove it if the user logs

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-24 Thread David Henningsson
On 01/23/2012 09:12 AM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: On 2012-01-22 21:08, David Henningsson wrote: On 01/21/2012 06:41 PM, Len Ovens wrote: There was some discussion on the IRC channel that got me thinking about this. Ubuntu's standard position on use of the audio group is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/A

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-23 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
On 2012-01-22 21:08, David Henningsson wrote: On 01/21/2012 06:41 PM, Len Ovens wrote: There was some discussion on the IRC channel that got me thinking about this. Ubuntu's standard position on use of the audio group is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup After having cleaned th

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-22 Thread David Henningsson
On 01/21/2012 06:41 PM, Len Ovens wrote: There was some discussion on the IRC channel that got me thinking about this. Ubuntu's standard position on use of the audio group is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup After having cleaned that page up a bit (something strange was recentl

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-22 Thread Len Ovens
On Sun, January 22, 2012 5:17 am, Ralf Madorf wrote: > Hi Kaj :) > > I'll continue top posting ;). > > To be honest, I can't see any disadvantage to set every user to the > group audio, but I might have miss something. > > Why do we have a group "audio"? Perhaps there's a valid reason not to > set

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-22 Thread Len Ovens
On Sat, January 21, 2012 7:04 pm, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: >> Having the option of administrating groups will of course always remain, >> but from my point of view, a distro like UbuntuStudio should have audio >> group as a default group for both the desktop and administrator users. >> Not having that

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-22 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
I'm going to ask around. I've sent a mail to the multimedia package mail list for Debian. Where would be the best place to adress this? Don't know how fast such a change would find it's way over to Ubuntu repo. jackd2 1.9.8 is now in Debian unstable, I believe. If it is achievable to solve this

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-22 Thread Ralf Madorf
Hi Kaj :) I'll continue top posting ;). To be honest, I can't see any disadvantage to set every user to the group audio, but I might have miss something. Why do we have a group "audio"? Perhaps there's a valid reason not to set every user to the group audio. I don't know. Regards, Ralf On Sun

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-22 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
Only an admin is allowed to install programs, and if the admin would be given a choice to include users to audio group during installation of a package (you can always answer no), than what is the problem? You'll have to do it anyway if you are intending to get realtime privilege (though many w

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-22 Thread Ralf Madorf
On Sun, 2012-01-22 at 03:58 +0100, Kaj Ailomaa wrote: > My point in bringing up this problem with audio group was that new users > (who wouldn't know about audio group) shouldn't have to create a new > user and find that the new user cannot use audio applications in realtime. > Having the option

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-21 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
And sorry for not bringing up the problem with what implications audio group presents to the system. But, it seems to me whatever problems it presents, those are totally unavoidable for audio users. If adding the user to audio group is checked during installation of some package it should be eno

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-21 Thread Kaj Ailomaa
My point in bringing up this problem with audio group was that new users (who wouldn't know about audio group) shouldn't have to create a new user and find that the new user cannot use audio applications in realtime. Having the option of administrating groups will of course always remain, but fr

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-21 Thread Len Ovens
On Sat, January 21, 2012 10:41 am, Ralf Madorf wrote: > On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 09:41 -0800, Len Ovens wrote: >> The installing user is both admin and sound engineer > > IIRC only the first user is admin, any additional user isn't! The GUI user creator allows creating more admin accounts. It in fac

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-21 Thread Ralf Madorf
On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 09:41 -0800, Len Ovens wrote: > The installing user is both admin and sound engineer IIRC only the first user is admin, any additional user isn't! -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubu

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-21 Thread Ralf Madorf
On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 19:31 +0100, Ralf Madorf wrote: > On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 09:41 -0800, Len Ovens wrote: > > Does any of this make sense? Or am I crazy? > > Hahaha, neither or nor. You aren't an idiot, but it anyway isn't ideal. > Sessions should be usable on different distros, since I'm switch

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-21 Thread Ralf Madorf
On Sat, 2012-01-21 at 09:41 -0800, Len Ovens wrote: > Does any of this make sense? Or am I crazy? Hahaha, neither or nor. You aren't an idiot, but it anyway isn't ideal. Sessions should be usable on different distros, since I'm switching between distros, I prefer to have distros as similar/equal a

Re: Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-21 Thread Len Ovens
On Sat, January 21, 2012 9:41 am, Len Ovens wrote: > My thought is that at install there would be an extra user created called > project. No password needed. This would create /home/project. Just5 to clarify. "No password needed" means "not able to log in" not the same as guest... -- Len Oven

Groups, permisions, work flow

2012-01-21 Thread Len Ovens
There was some discussion on the IRC channel that got me thinking about this. Ubuntu's standard position on use of the audio group is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/TheAudioGroup While this does not apply to UbuntuStudio, there are some side effects of using the audio group in any case. Curre