Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread alan c
Paul Roach wrote: >> The moral I take from this is - the more Ubuntu is used, anywhere, the >> closer we get to the tipping point. >> >> I have introduced three friends in recent months to Linux Emporium, >> because they wanted an Ubuntu only Laptop from a retail friendly >> source. Three purchas

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!

2009-10-27 Thread Simon Osborne
2009/10/27 Rob Beard : > Sean Miller wrote: >> Why do none of these programmes ever mention Wine? >> >> It's simply not true that you can't run Microsoft programs on Ubuntu >> -- is the BBC sponsored by Apple and Microsoft or what??? >> >> Sean >> >> > Well wine isn't perfect.  A fair few applicati

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Paul Roach
> The moral I take from this is - the more Ubuntu is used, anywhere, the > closer we get to the tipping point. > > I have introduced three friends in recent months to Linux Emporium, > because they wanted an Ubuntu only Laptop from a retail friendly > source. Three purchases. LE is giving an imp

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread alan c
Alan Lord (News) wrote: > On 27/10/09 08:13, Daniel Drummond wrote: > >> If that guy was from Canonical, perhaps they should think about retraining:- >> >> /"For the first time in 20 years you can buy Ubuntu pre-installed from >> more than one manufacturer," he said. "That's an extraordinary story

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Dean Sas
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:57, Daniel Drummond wrote: > Dean Sas wrote: >> Daniel Drummond wrote: >> 2009/10/27 Philip Stubbs : > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8326264.stm?ls > >> >> >>> /"Some of the security is through obscurity but it's also better by >>> design," he s

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Michael Holloway
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 12:45 +, Gordon wrote: > Actually not so in my experience. MS seems to have tsken a leaf out of > Ubuntu's book. The only driver that did NOT come with Windows 7 for my 2 > y/o Toshiba Satellite was my printereverything else justworked! > I will second that. Ever

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Daniel Drummond
Dean Sas wrote: > Daniel Drummond wrote: > >>> 2009/10/27 Philip Stubbs : >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8326264.stm?ls > > >> /"Some of the security is through obscurity but it's also better by >> design," he said./ >> >> >> Just doesn't make sense at al

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Johnathon Tinsley
Gordon wrote: > Thomas Ibbotson wrote: > >> -Then you'll have to find those drivers for your hardware (if they >> exist) and install them, > > Actually not so in my experience. MS seems to have tsken a leaf out of > Ubuntu's book. The only driver that did NOT come with Windows 7 for my 2 > y/o T

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Gordon
Thomas Ibbotson wrote: > -Then you'll have to find those drivers for your hardware (if they > exist) and install them, Actually not so in my experience. MS seems to have tsken a leaf out of Ubuntu's book. The only driver that did NOT come with Windows 7 for my 2 y/o Toshiba Satellite was my prin

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!

2009-10-27 Thread Rob Beard
Sean Miller wrote: > Why do none of these programmes ever mention Wine? > > It's simply not true that you can't run Microsoft programs on Ubuntu > -- is the BBC sponsored by Apple and Microsoft or what??? > > Sean > > Well wine isn't perfect. A fair few applications don't work very well or not

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Rob Beard
Lucy wrote: > 2009/10/27 Philip Stubbs : > >> 2009/10/21 James Milligan : >> >>> Did anyone else watch BBC News this morning? >>> >>> Whilst showing off Windows 7, the tech correspondent showed a Mac with >>> Safari open on ubuntu.com >>> >>> Didn't actually mention the name etc, but said a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!

2009-10-27 Thread Alan Bell
Sean Miller wrote: > Why do none of these programmes ever mention Wine? > > It's simply not true that you can't run Microsoft programs on Ubuntu > -- is the BBC sponsored by Apple and Microsoft or what??? > > Sean > > Well I don't think you can blame the BBC for that one. Chris Kenyon is Canonic

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Dean Sas
Daniel Drummond wrote: >> 2009/10/27 Philip Stubbs : >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8326264.stm?ls > /"Some of the security is through obscurity but it's also better by > design," he said./ > > > Just doesn't make sense at all. Surely as it is an open-source system, > there is no o

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 27/10/09 08:48, Sean Miller wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Alan Lord (News) > wrote: >> On 27/10/09 08:13, Daniel Drummond wrote: >> >>> If that guy was from Canonical, perhaps they should think about retraining:- >>> >>> /"For the first time in 20 years you can buy Ubuntu pre-inst

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Sean Miller
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Alan Lord (News) wrote: > On 27/10/09 08:13, Daniel Drummond wrote: > >> If that guy was from Canonical, perhaps they should think about retraining:- >> >> /"For the first time in 20 years you can buy Ubuntu pre-installed from >> more than one manufacturer," he sa

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!

2009-10-27 Thread Dean Sas
Sean Miller wrote: > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Sean Miller wrote: >> Why do none of these programmes ever mention Wine? > > Come to think of it, why isn't Wine installed by default?? I don't know if there are any "official" reasons, but here are some possibilities * It's ugly * It doesn'

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 27/10/09 08:13, Daniel Drummond wrote: > If that guy was from Canonical, perhaps they should think about retraining:- > > /"For the first time in 20 years you can buy Ubuntu pre-installed from > more than one manufacturer," he said. "That's an extraordinary story." > > /A stupid statement consi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Daniel Drummond
Lucy wrote: > 2009/10/27 Philip Stubbs : > >> 2009/10/21 James Milligan : >> >>> Did anyone else watch BBC News this morning? >>> >>> Whilst showing off Windows 7, the tech correspondent showed a Mac with >>> Safari open on ubuntu.com >>> >>> Didn't actually mention the name etc, but said a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!

2009-10-27 Thread Sean Miller
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Sean Miller wrote: > Why do none of these programmes ever mention Wine? Come to think of it, why isn't Wine installed by default?? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!

2009-10-27 Thread Sean Miller
Why do none of these programmes ever mention Wine? It's simply not true that you can't run Microsoft programs on Ubuntu -- is the BBC sponsored by Apple and Microsoft or what??? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Sean Miller
I agree about the theme... why can't Ubuntu install something that is at least slightly pleasant on the eye?? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!

2009-10-27 Thread Gordon
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8327082.stm -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Lucy
2009/10/27 Philip Stubbs : > 2009/10/21 James Milligan : >> Did anyone else watch BBC News this morning? >> >> Whilst showing off Windows 7, the tech correspondent showed a Mac with >> Safari open on ubuntu.com >> >> Didn't actually mention the name etc, but said about other OSes. >> >> James > > I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-27 Thread Philip Stubbs
2009/10/21 James Milligan : > Did anyone else watch BBC News this morning? > > Whilst showing off Windows 7, the tech correspondent showed a Mac with > Safari open on ubuntu.com > > Didn't actually mention the name etc, but said about other OSes. > > James I have not had time to read it yet, http

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-24 Thread Rob Beard
Paul Sutton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Samuel Toogood wrote: > >> --- Original message --- >> >>> From: Jon Reynolds >>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>> Sent: 24.10.'09, 10:50 >>> >>> Am I thinking about this wrong or is it true that using a li

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-24 Thread Rob Beard
Jon Reynolds wrote: > Am I thinking about this wrong or is it true that using a live CD, one > can just boot into the live environment and then mount the host > computer's hard drive and browse its contents. Isn't that a really bad > security issue? > 's > Jon Reynolds > Depends on how you look

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-24 Thread Paul Sutton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Samuel Toogood wrote: > --- Original message --- >> From: Jon Reynolds >> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >> Sent: 24.10.'09, 10:50 >> >> Am I thinking about this wrong or is it true that using a live CD, one >> can just boot into the live env

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-24 Thread Samuel Toogood
--- Original message --- > From: Jon Reynolds > To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com > Sent: 24.10.'09, 10:50 > > Am I thinking about this wrong or is it true that using a live CD, one > can just boot into the live environment and then mount the host > computer's hard drive and browse its conte

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-24 Thread Tony Pursell
On 24 Oct 2009 at 10:50, Jon Reynolds wrote: > > Am I thinking about this wrong or is it true that using a live CD, one > can just boot into the live environment and then mount the host > computer's hard drive and browse its contents. Isn't that a really bad > security issue? > > Jon Reynolds >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-24 Thread Jon Reynolds
Am I thinking about this wrong or is it true that using a live CD, one can just boot into the live environment and then mount the host computer's hard drive and browse its contents. Isn't that a really bad security issue? Jon Reynolds On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:05:25AM +0100, Alan Pope wrote: >

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-23 Thread Rob Beard
doug livesey wrote: > > I don't know the Enquirer -- how respected a journal is it? It's the Inquirer at www.theinquirer.net It was started by Mike Magee who was also involved with The Register (www.theregister.co.uk). Both are fairly respected. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lis

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-23 Thread Sean Miller
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Rowan Berkeley wrote: > Actually, the possessive pronoun WAS spelled with an apostrophe (which > is quite logical, since others are) until the contraction for 'it is' > became unavoidably common. Eighteenth-century printers wrote it with > one; I know this because

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On Thu, 2009-10-22 at 22:44 +0100, Christopher Swift : > Alan, since we've gone onto the topic of both spelling and grammar, > you will find that according to the Oxford English Dictionary, the > past participle of the verb to spell is indeed "spelt". We are not > living in America on this thread.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread doug livesey
> Although I have no hard evidence ... the truth is out there. No offense, but by speculating like they do on government's spying in on us through our computers whilst offering no hard evidence, they rather run the risk of coming across a little tin-foil hat. I don't know the Enquirer -- how respe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread David King
Although I have no hard evidence, it was years ago that I heard about the US govt/FBI having a backdoor into Windows, and that all antivirus software by law cannot be allowed to detect what the FBI, etc., put onto people's computers. It might be true, it might be partially true. But the fact i

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread jim.cameron
Tony Pursell: > Use of the word 'program' for computer program was in a book > I used to have with a title something like 'British Standard > Terms in Data Processing', published by the BSI back in > the1960s!. And people still get it wrong... I remember correcting my primary school teacher on t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 22/10/09 16:28, Christopher Swift wrote: >> -- > Alan, since we've gone onto the topic of both spelling and grammar, > you will find that according to the Oxford English Dictionary, the > past participle of the verb to spell is indeed "spelt". We are not > living in America on this thread. Vi

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread Christopher Swift
2009/10/22 Alan Lord (News) : > On 21/10/09 23:26, Tony Pursell wrote: >> On 21 Oct 2009 at 22:29, LeeGroups wrote: >>> That page got right up my nose >>> >>> -- >>> Firstly, "computer program" isn't spelt "programme", that would be a >>> "television programme".

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread David Restall - System Administrator
Hi, > Alan Lord (News) wrote: > > On 21/10/09 23:26, Tony Pursell wrote: > >> On 21 Oct 2009 at 22:29, LeeGroups wrote: > >>> That page got right up my nose > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Firstly, "computer program" isn't spelt "programme", that would be a > >>> "television p

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread Alan Bell
Thomas Ibbotson wrote: > > Quoting from the website: > -Spend lots of money for Windows 7 for every computer in your organisation, > -First you will need to take very careful backups of everything (not > just files but emails, favourites, settings etc), > -Format your machine's hard disk and insta

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread Alan Pope
2009/10/22 Alan Lord (News) : > There was a story (poss. last year or earlier) about a FBI(or Police) > conference in the US where MS apparently handed out a USB key to all > delegates that had "backdoors" into Windows. If I get chance I'll try to > search for it. > Interesting, I'd not heard abou

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 22/10/09 09:22, Alan Pope wrote: > 2009/10/22 David King: >> That's a good way to describe it -- Software with Secrets. Including a >> backdoor so that US govt agencies can spy on you, > > [[citation needed]] There was a story (poss. last year or earlier) about a FBI(or Police) conference in t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 22/10/09 08:54, Thomas Ibbotson wrote: > Alan Bell wrote: >> Paul Sutton wrote: >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Linux got a mention on the lunch time news, well it showed tux, and the >>> google and apple logos, as alternatives, but didn't say much about em >>> >>

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread Alan Pope
2009/10/22 David King : > That's a good way to describe it -- Software with Secrets. Including a > backdoor so that US govt agencies can spy on you, [[citation needed]] > as well as the WGA > tool to report back any activity on your PC to Microsoft. > [[citation needed]] I'd be interested in se

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread David King
That's a good way to describe it -- Software with Secrets. Including a backdoor so that US govt agencies can spy on you, as well as the WGA tool to report back any activity on your PC to Microsoft. David King alan c wrote: > > > Not least, Windows is Software with Secrets! > That regime is n

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread Thomas Ibbotson
Alan Lord (News) wrote: > On 21/10/09 23:26, Tony Pursell wrote: >> On 21 Oct 2009 at 22:29, LeeGroups wrote: >>> That page got right up my nose >>> >>> -- >>> Firstly, "computer program" isn't spelt "programme", that would be a >>> "television programme". > > Not t

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread Thomas Ibbotson
Alan Bell wrote: > Paul Sutton wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Linux got a mention on the lunch time news, well it showed tux, and the >> google and apple logos, as alternatives, but didn't say much about em >> > well it is Microsoft's big day (well it is tomor

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-22 Thread Alan Lord (News)
On 21/10/09 23:26, Tony Pursell wrote: > On 21 Oct 2009 at 22:29, LeeGroups wrote: >>> >> That page got right up my nose >> >> -- >> Firstly, "computer program" isn't spelt "programme", that would be a >> "television programme". Not to be picky but "spelt" is a type

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-21 Thread Tony Pursell
On 21 Oct 2009 at 22:29, LeeGroups wrote: > > > That page got right up my nose > > -- > Firstly, "computer program" isn't spelt "programme", that would be a > "television programme". Use of the word 'program' for computer program was in a book I used to have

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-21 Thread LeeGroups
it may be worth clicking on feedback adn commenting, That page got right up my nose -- Firstly, "computer program" isn't spelt "programme", that would be a "television programme". Secondly, given the number of Windows users who use Open Office, Firefox and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-21 Thread Jamie Bennett
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 19:08 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: > also go to any conference on anything. Look at the percentage of Macs in > the audience, look at the percentage of laptops that get put on the > podium that are Macs. It is going up. Linux is too, but Macs are more > spottable. At the ELC (e

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-21 Thread Alan Bell
Paul Sutton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Linux got a mention on the lunch time news, well it showed tux, and the > google and apple logos, as alternatives, but didn't say much about em > well it is Microsoft's big day (well it is tomorrow, they seem to have jum

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-21 Thread Paul Sutton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Linux got a mention on the lunch time news, well it showed tux, and the google and apple logos, as alternatives, but didn't say much about em regarding product placement you notice how you see more macs on TV programmes, these days, Paul -BEGIN

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-21 Thread Liam Wilson
Paul Sutton wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Liam Wilson wrote: > >> Neil Greenwood wrote: >> >>> 2009/10/21 James Milligan : >>> >>> Apologies - sent that a little early! He did go on to talk about it a little bit, but it did come across

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-21 Thread Paul Sutton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Liam Wilson wrote: > Neil Greenwood wrote: >> 2009/10/21 James Milligan : >> >>> Apologies - sent that a little early! >>> >>> He did go on to talk about it a little bit, but it did come across as >>> a geek OS, he said that 'people' just want somet

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-21 Thread Liam Wilson
Neil Greenwood wrote: > 2009/10/21 James Milligan : > >> Apologies - sent that a little early! >> >> He did go on to talk about it a little bit, but it did come across as >> a geek OS, he said that 'people' just want something that works, and >> don't have to fuss about with it. >> >> All in all

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-21 Thread alan c
Paul Sutton wrote: > James Milligan wrote: >> Apologies - sent that a little early! > >> He did go on to talk about it a little bit, but it did come across as >> a geek OS, he said that 'people' just want something that works, and >> don't have to fuss about with it. > > so do I hence I use L

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-21 Thread Paul Sutton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Milligan wrote: > Apologies - sent that a little early! > > He did go on to talk about it a little bit, but it did come across as > a geek OS, he said that 'people' just want something that works, and > don't have to fuss about with it. so

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-21 Thread Neil Greenwood
2009/10/21 James Milligan : > Apologies - sent that a little early! > > He did go on to talk about it a little bit, but it did come across as > a geek OS, he said that 'people' just want something that works, and > don't have to fuss about with it. > > All in all, I do have to say that Windows 7 is

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-21 Thread James Milligan
Apologies - sent that a little early! He did go on to talk about it a little bit, but it did come across as a geek OS, he said that 'people' just want something that works, and don't have to fuss about with it. All in all, I do have to say that Windows 7 is very nice compared to Vista. Jam

[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu on the BBC!!!

2009-10-20 Thread James Milligan
Did anyone else watch BBC News this morning? Whilst showing off Windows 7, the tech correspondent showed a Mac with Safari open on ubuntu.com Didn't actually mention the name etc, but said about other OSes. James -- James Milligan lak...@lake54.com www.lake54.com www.facebook.com/lake54 www.t