With all the give-and-take on the topic of the proposed hotel at 40th
Pine/Baltimore, nobody reminded the list about the fact that Tom Lussenhop is
slated to be on the agenda of the SHCA meeting this evening (7:30 pm at the
Spruce Hill Christian School, 42nd Baltimore). The sign in the
Like Kimm, I too wanted to give Ms. Lamond, SHCA, and UCHS the benefit of the
doubt when they advocated for a historic designation. I saw that one provision
in historic designation could be used by unethical associations and ruthless
real estate gentrificationists.
With designation, poor and
Hilton HAD a hotel on campus with a ped bridge to CHOP and a parking lot that
is now offices. Is there any chance that the demand for extended stay rooms has
been miscalculated and some of the rooms will need to be converted to
short-stay rooms and/or offices to avert a financial hardship?
Don't even try it.
Frankus
Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible.
On Nov 12, 2007, at 8:34 PM, Anthony West wrote:
It's all in the numbers, Frank -- in this case, a number expressing
distance.
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In a message dated 11/13/2007 9:05:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
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But yes, it was La Quinta that was mentioned
Does anyone know whether La Quinta is a union or a non-union operator,
and/or whether the firm doing the construction at the airport was a union or a
And I will look down the street and see a wall instead of sky through
the trees.
Frankus
Sleek. Edgy. Infinitely flexible.
On Nov 12, 2007, at 9:27 PM, Anthony West wrote:
Aside from traffic, the chief impact of scale when a highrise is
placed next to lowrise buildings is shadow.
I
For the love of Mike, Kimm! You are being way too sensitive.
I actually think Ray's observation below is shrewd. He has been showing
other interesting insights into Penn real estate of late. I commend him.
I meant what I said.
-- Tony West
Tony,
So – I’m relying on the text you elected
Why, yes, Ray...the boutique suites DO sound vaguely like dorm rooms...
And while we're on the subject of dorm rooms, let's segue back to the concept
of precedent. Specifically, remember the Penn Tower HOTEL that was built
across the street from HUP/CHOP/Children's Seashore House? Despite
Lussenhop and Penn thumbed?their noses at the appropriate city process and
simply ignored the architectural committees'?recommendations.
?
The manner which this was pushed through at the full commission proceedings was
very very stinky.? The new 11-story plan should have gone back through
Did the Pharmacy School (whatever its name was at the time) have a
chance before to buy the warehouse that used to have a dinosaur on the
side before it was storage space rental? That would be ironic because
they just bought it last year.
Jim Cummings
On Nov 13, 2007 10:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kimm, earlier last evening you wrote:
In a message dated 11/12/07 9:44:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm more interested in fact-gathering than in judgment right now.
Then debate the merits and not the personalities.
Kimm
So I'm not sure why my lament about our lack of historic
It's all in the numbers, Frank -- in this case, a number expressing distance.
Tony-
You may want to check with Mary Tracy and the SCRUB people to see if what you
suggest is still winding its way through the appeals courts. If so, all tax
payers still have a say and opposing counsel can note
Did the Pharmacy School (whatever its name was at the time) have a
chance before to buy the warehouse that used to have a dinosaur on the
side before it was storage space rental? That would be ironic because
they just bought it last year.
Yes, they did, as did UPenn.
Jim, how about telling
That logic is like an environmentalist demanding legislation to protect the
forests. But until the legislation is passed, the environmentalist is going to
work with the lumber industry to cut down all the trees.
On 11/12/07 10:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Folks, we do NOT
Tony,I was never good at geometry or trigonometry, and I never studied
astronomy, so I don't know enough to be able to speak on this as an expert, so
I have a few questions. What are the formulae you used to come to these
conclusions? Wouldn't seasons of the year and Daylight/Standard Time
In a message dated 11/13/2007 11:42:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wouldn't seasons of the year and Daylight/Standard Time variations factor
in? I do know that the Earth's axis is at a different angle to the Sun during
the different seasons, and that because the
The corporate franchise for the proposed, Campus Inn,
is Hilton. This affiliation is being cited as the
primary reason that Penn and company refuse to
consider any changes to the proposed scale of the
their upscale hotel.
I anticipate UPenn will be using the Homewood Suites model:
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Lussenhop and Penn thumbed their noses at the appropriate city process
I gotta say, folks, this is one hell of a listserv. the best
listserv in the neighborhood!
we've learned more in the last 30 hours about this hotel
project (and about committees and developers and uchs and
shca -- and coffee) than we've learned in the last 30 days,
since the hotel plan was
All that you say is true, Karen and Al. I don't have the tools or the
database to calculate all these variations, and I'm not paid to do it
anyway.
An amateur can, however, ballpark the shadow issue to some degree, with
a bit of squinting. It may help those interested in the issue evaluate
Hmm. If this building was built, and a fellow lived on Woodland Terr.
and looked north, then yes, he would see about eight stories of a wall
jutting into the sky, above the trees, which will still be there. It
would occupy, I'm guessing wildly, around 2-5 degrees of arc.
Of course, even
Melani,
Quite right. However, the UCHS targeted CERTAIN Calvary members were
specifically chosen by the UCHS and, ³The Friends of Calvary², because they
were seen to be malleable to the purpose of allowing them to take over and
control Calvary United Methodist Church; ostensibly to preserve an
When Penn built the Shop-ees at Penn (as we used to call it) and offices
above at 34th and Walnut (with the Drexel-colored brick that upset so many
Penn trustees), this construction came after long negotiation with the
residents and businesses on Sansom Street about the acceptable height of the
At the annual SHCA Membership Meeting tonight, Tom Lussenhop made an
elaborate presentation of his proposed Hilton Hotel before a crowd of
about 50 people, with a slide show, and then fielded questions or
comments from about 18 people. The meeting, which ran quite late, was
not a public
In a message dated 11/13/07 11:38:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Two different measures suggested that those who were decidedly opposed
to the project slightly outnumbered those who were in favor, but that
undecideds and neutrals were numerous, and many people expressed
complex, ambivalent
Speaking as someone who has taken responsibility to run genuine
association elections, fake elections hold little weight with me. They
are public-opinion toys, nothing more.
My reckoning of that inconsequential moment was that a few more hands
were raised for 'opposed' than were raised for
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