L a s e r B e a m ® wrote:
>for instance, I just checked the uchs website, thinking I'd find info
>about the imminent razing of convention hall (to build a penn cancer
>center), but to my surprise there seemed to be nothing. the dp had 2
>recent articles (see below), but, from the articles, no
In a message dated 12/18/2004 12:19:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, L a s e
r B e a m ® wrote writes:
[re
convention hall demolition]: no one from uchsseems to be involved,
either as a commentator or protestor. odd
Not odd at all. Goes back to what I've said all along about the motives
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004, Jayfar wrote:
>
> L a s e r B e a m ® wrote:
> >for instance, I just checked the uchs website, thinking I'd find info
> >about the imminent razing of convention hall (to build a penn cancer
> >center), but to my surprise there seemed to be nothing. the dp had 2
> >recent a
In a message dated 12/29/2004 7:30:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's
worth noting that, according to the November issue of the
UCHS'snewsletter, their recently elected president, Mark Stuart, is an
employeeof Penn, at their Veterinary School. Could that be
In a message dated 12/29/04 7:30:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's worth noting that, according to the November issue of the UCHS's
newsletter, their recently elected president, Mark Stuart, is an employee
of Penn, at their Veterinary School. Could that be a factor in their
apparent non-interes
On 29 Dec, 2004, at 12:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This leads me to believe that those supporters exaggerated when they
spoke to me, and leads me to wonder, further, if perhaps they have
also exaggerated when they speak to her about the actual amount of
opposition to the proposed local Spruce H
I would say that the Majority of the people who reside in West Philly are
against this idea of a historic district, and that it is only the
relentless drumbeat of this dead-horse-issue by people like yourself that
make it an issue at all.
--On Wednesday, December 29, 2004 12:27 PM -0500 [EMAIL PR
I would say the majority favor it.
In a message dated 12/29/2004 1:10:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, Andrew Diller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I would say that the Majority of the people who reside in West Philly are
>against this idea of a historic district, and that it is only the
>relentless d
In a message dated 12/29/2004 1:32:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
(Re:
historic designation of Spruce Hill) I would say the majority favor
it.
We can find out. House-by-house canvassing by teams representing both
views, using a questionnaire agreed upon by both,
Tell you what Al. I'll be a volunteer canvasser on your team. Good luck in
putting together the rest of the team.
Let me know when I'm supposed to show up.
In a message dated 12/29/2004 2:28:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL
PROTECTED] writes:
>
>In a message dated 12/29/2004 1:32:57 P.M. E
In a message dated 12/29/2004 4:17:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Tell you
what Al. I'll be a volunteer canvasser on your team. Good luck in putting
together the rest of the team.Let me know when I'm supposed to show
up.
I thought you said you believed the p
I'm too busy to expend the effort to prove the point - again. After all, it has
already been documented by the Spruce Hill poll.
If you want to prove the point the other way - I'll volunteer to help you
canvas, but since you have the axe to grind - you should organize the effort.
I'll be a volu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm too busy to expend the effort to prove the point - again. After all, it has
already been documented by the Spruce Hill poll.
You've got a pretty poor standard of definition, then. That "poll"
wasn't so much a poll as a petition. It was distributed not to Spruce
Hill
In a message dated 12/29/2004 5:58:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
After
all, it has already been documented by the Spruce Hill
poll.
An e-mail poll, polluted by an extremely biased cover letter, to the 200 or
250 members of an association that purports to repres
Actually Al, when I said, "I would say the majority favor it." I just wanted to see if anyone would take the bait. The rest was just yanking your chain.
If you ever do get survey teams, I'll volunteer to be on yours.
:-)
Happy New Year!
In a message dated 12/29/04 7:44:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Salutations, gentlefolk,
Well, if I owned property in, or lived within, the proposed historic district, I
might have an opinion to inject here. As it is, will just say:
First: 'Twill be an interesting process getting together a set of 'opinion poll
questions' that both sides agree are fair.
S
On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In a message dated 12/29/04 7:30:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > It's worth noting that, according to the November issue of the UCHS's
> > newsletter, their recently elected president, Mark Stuart, is an employee
> > of Penn, at their Veterinary
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mr. Farrell, UCHS has found itself in the center of this firestorm now.
Its nomination of Spruce Hill as a local historic district has led to
all sorts of potential complications for every historic property in
Philadelphia. As you've been working to preserve Convention
Jayfar wrote:
It's worth noting that, according to the November issue of the UCHS's
newsletter, their recently elected president, Mark Stuart, is an employee
of Penn, at their Veterinary School. Could that be a factor in their
apparent non-interest in Convention Hall and the Commercial Museum?
http
In a message dated 12/30/04 2:48:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>> Well, the vet school needed more space, and this solution was very
>>> creative. Penn bought the former gas station in the middle of the
>>> street, figured out how to reconfigure the street, and traded the gas
>>> station land
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>> Well, the vet school needed more space, and this solution was very
>>> creative. Penn bought the former gas station in the middle of the
>>> street, figured out how to reconfigure the street, and traded the gas
>>> station land for land which
I fail to see a contradiction in any of your examples. Irony is in the eye
of the beholder, I guess.
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From: "L a s e r B e a m ®" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demoli
Bill Sanderson wrote:
Irony is in the eye
of the beholder, I guess.
I guess failure to see irony is in the eye of the beholder
as well!
;-)
.
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favor of a historic
district, too.
- Original Message -
From: "L a s e r B e a m ®" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions
> Bill Sanderson wrote:
>
>> Irony is in the eye of the beho
Bill Sanderson wrote:
Precisely. There are shades of grey to every issue. I don't expect UCHS to
go to the wall for every possible encroachment on a historic structure in
west Philly. Clearly you know a lot more about that body than I do, but I
would expect such a group to pick their battles.
I get a bit of a twinge of nostalgia about Convention Hall.
The Beatles played there in 1964 on their first American tour. One would
think that would be a point to keep the building. The Stones also played
there one one of their first American tours. I am not certain, but I
venture that many ot
In a message dated 1/2/2005 10:14:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
what is
the uchs's stance on the imminent destruction of convention hall and
the commercial museum? you may recall that I began this discussion by
wondering if there was selectivity at work, in
bulletin board and hoping some kind soul
will respond probably isn't the most direct path.
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From: "L a s e r B e a m ®" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions
&
In a message dated 1/2/2005 10:14:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
and so I
ask, publicly: given that uchs has thus far defined 'history' and
'preservation' and 'non-encroachment' in its efforts to establish an
historic district,
"Who controls the past, cont
In a message dated 12/29/2004 7:30:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..according to the November issue of the UCHS'snewsletter,
their recently elected president, Mark Stuart, is an employeeof Penn, at
their Veterinary School. Could that be a factor in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
uchs's stance on the imminent destruction of convention hall
and the commercial museum? you may recall that I began this
discussion by wondering if there was selectivity at work, in
how some histories may be legitimized while others
Bill Sanderson wrote:
So why are you asking me?
(actually, I sent my query to uclist)
I applaud your posting your desire for enlightenment, but if you are really
seeking it, putting notes up on a bulletin board and hoping some kind soul
will respond probably isn't the most direct path.
see, but
Intrigued by all the commentary, I went out last
evening to view the buildings in question, taking with me an authentic
history-loving tourist. My brother, a scholar of Horace, Spenser and
Emerson as well as a lifelong, obsessive Victorian rehabber, was in town
for the MLA Convention. The la
Anthony West wrote:
I have to say that I agree with both the UCHS and the University of
Pennsylvania here.
but what is uchs's stance here?
.
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to reuse the former Lit Brothers Department Store in Center City. She is a
Co-Chair of our committee.
Cheers,
Jayfar
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of the
Convention Hall.
ELISABETH
DUBINHillier
ARCHITECTUREOne
South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636- | F 215 636-9989
| hillier.com
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony
WestSent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:20 PMTo:
univci
I love both the post office and the train station.
If the Cira Center winds up as snazzy as it looks yet unfinished, 30th Street
will be a wonderful sight! Whether or not it is Art Deco isn't important;
whether it is wonderful is important.
Elisabeth wrote:> When one comes toward West
Phil
In a message dated 1/3/2005 1:17:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
who gets
to say which buildings they like and which matter less to them? Who gets to
choose now history, now modernity?
Good point, Tony. And while architects' opinions shouldn't be ignored,
neith
On 03 Jan, 2005, at 10:51, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote:
When one comes toward West Philadelphia over the Schuylkill, there
are three salient things to look at as one crosses the bridge: the
triumvirate of art deco buildings comprised by the post office, the
train station, and the old convention hall.
To: Dubin, Elisabeth
Cc: University City List
Subject: Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions: a review
On 03 Jan, 2005, at 10:51, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote:
> When one comes toward West Philadelphia over the Schuylkill, there are
> three salient things to look at as one crosses the bridge:
William H. Magill wrote:
On 03 Jan, 2005, at 10:51, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote:
When one comes toward West Philadelphia over the Schuylkill, there
are three salient things to look at as one crosses the bridge: the
triumvirate of art deco buildings comprised by the post office, the
train station, and
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005, William H. Magill wrote:
> On 03 Jan, 2005, at 10:51, Dubin, Elisabeth wrote:
> > When one comes toward West Philadelphia over the Schuylkill, there
> > are three salient things to look at as one crosses the bridge: the
> > triumvirate of art deco buildings comprised by the p
Anthony West wrote:
Elisabeth wrote:
Tony says that we need to "treasure the best from the past while letting
the rest go." The problem is that "best" is a matter of opinion, and in
this country we tend towards not being willing to regulate taste.
That is the problem indeed. But when we try t
Jayfar wrote:
Art Deco is a very slippery label and can encompass quite a wide variety
of styles, as well as flowing out of Art Nouveau and into Art Moderne.
Some peg it's timeline as beginning with the 1925 Exposition
Internationale des Arts Decoratifs Industriels et Modernes (say that 10
times
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of L a s e r B e a m
(r)
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 10:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions: a review
Anthony West wrote:
> Elisabeth wrote:
>> Tony
Dubin, Elisabeth wrote:
Just a thought to add to this discussion-- there is a big difference
between advocating preservation and proposing new construction in an
imitative style.
The former is about many things, including utilizing existing resources
from a "green" or recycling perspective. It can
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From: "Jayfar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 8:19 PM
Subject: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions: a review (fwd)
Gersil Kay writes, somewhat edited:
>
>
> The Civic Center would be an ideal location for
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004, Bill Sanderson wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jayfar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 8:19 PM
> Subject: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions: a review (fwd)
>
>
> Gersil Kay writes
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 19:41:31 +
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
. . .
Subject: Re: [UC] UCHS and Civic Center demolitions: a review (fwd)
The Civic Center would be an ideal location for a Gambling Casino. It
is
accessible, yet away from day-to-day activities. Historic venues are
widely used for
In a message dated 12/29/2004 12:42:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In the
past, when I very briefly mentioned this bill of Councilwoman Blackwell's at a
public meeting, I was immediately accused by some of
her longtime supporters of being "disrespectful" towa
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