Re: The sky is falling... [was Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?]

On Aug 8, 2004, at 2:29 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: Forgive my ignorance on this topic, but just so I understand. Does Director and Real Basic 'use' ActiveX tree controls, data grids, etc? If so, are they 'embedded' in the app with full access to properties and methods and instancing via script con

RE: The sky is falling... [was Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?]

> Personally I'd want access to other control types - trees, data grids, > panes, splitters, date/time pickers, charting controls, etc., plus the > ability to use other ActiveX controls that would act as drivers to other > hardware/software. Nothing you cannot do in RR with it's own controls... M

Re: Program Testing and Persistent Properties

On Aug 8, 2004, at 2:04 AM, Ken Ray wrote: Not to throw water on your suggestion, but no, I don't think it would be viable (at least not as a permanent change to Rev), and here's the reason... the substituting of a stack with another stack would be disconcerting (to say the least) to experienced

Re: The sky is falling... [was Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?]

Ken and Troy, Forgive my ignorance on this topic, but just so I understand. Does Director and Real Basic 'use' ActiveX tree controls, data grids, etc? If so, are they 'embedded' in the app with full access to properties and methods and instancing via script control? If so, WOW. Do you know of a

Re: Plea to sell Dan's book widely

On Aug 8, 2004, at 2:10 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: One thing I do think should be made clear though: RR is a PROFESSIONAL LEVEL DEVELOPMENT TOOL. There are those of us (including you) who make a living writing professional code using RR. I only mention this so others (perhaps undecided) who read t

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

On 07.08.2004, at 19:19, Dan Shafer wrote: At the end of the day, RR has to find niches where cross-platform development is important or even critical. Those niches exist. But they are not mainstream programmers on either platform (and certainly not on *nix, whose developers seem to prefer Open

Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

Trevor DeVore wrote: I agree with Ken on this. I would like to see support for calling Win APIs, DLLs and ActiveX. Even though one of the major features of Rev is the ability to develop for multiple platforms there are jobs where catering to a specific platform is required. Trevor, Unlike mo

Re: The sky is falling... [was Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?]

On 8/8/04 12:55 AM, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Troy et al.. > >> Agreed on both points. I think at the very least, Rev should support >> ActiveX controls... > > Do you have an idea on how you will use these? I knowPDF and Flash. > But others? (fact is, PDF and Flash can be

Re: Plea to sell Dan's book widely

Dan Shafer wrote: I reiterate what I said earlier today in this very interesting discussion. I do not believe Rev has any serious chance of making significant inroads into the professional development community on ANY platform, and certainly not on Windows or (moreso?) on *nix. It will always

Re: The sky is falling... [was Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?]

On Aug 8, 2004, at 1:55 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: Do you have an idea on how you will use these? I knowPDF and Flash. But others? (fact is, PDF and Flash can be already used within altBrowser, though albeit there are some functional issues.) There are so many... BTW, does Director and Flash su

Re: Program Testing and Persistent Properties

On 8/8/04 12:44 AM, "Bob Warren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ray: (uh, it's "Ken"... "Ray" is my last name - no harm done...) > There was an implicit "hack" in the penultimate image of my article. > > When the option is selected: > 1. On selecting the Browse Tool (Run scripts and interact), sa

Localizer (was RE: Localizer - Transcriptlator - opinion request)

Seems the localizer will be jut a localizer then... Thanks Mark. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mark Wieder > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 00:09 > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: Localizer - Transcriptlator - opinion request

Re: Plea to sell Dan's book widely

On 07.08.2004, at 08:15, Chipp Walters wrote: Also, we can easily see where HyperCard, SuperCard and other 'Mac-centric' authoring environments have ended up. I think it's eventually in RR's best interest to focus on other platforms, else the find themselves in the same situation as the other la

Re: The sky is falling... [was Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?]

Troy et al.. Agreed on both points. I think at the very least, Rev should support ActiveX controls... Do you have an idea on how you will use these? I knowPDF and Flash. But others? (fact is, PDF and Flash can be already used within altBrowser, though albeit there are some functional issues

RE: image size and depth

Intersting thought: If you resize an image in RR, you only get a reduced image. It would be nice to have a resolution dependent choice for those in publishing... > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chipp > Walters > Sent: Sunday, August 08,

Re: Program Testing and Persistent Properties

Ray: There was an implicit "hack" in the penultimate image of my article. When the option is selected: 1. On selecting the Browse Tool (Run scripts and interact), save the stack to the HD temporarily. 2. On selecting the Pointer Tool (edit), substitute the modified stack with the temp stack. Thi

RE: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

> On 8/7/04 5:54 PM, "MisterX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But it is easy and noticeably shorter and doesn't block RR... > > > > on doVBS x > > get shell("start" && x) > > end doVBS > > > > Although not built in, these are easy to do with the shell type > commands. > > Unlike externals, they

Re: Plea to sell Dan's book widely

Dan - I have given training in the computer field since the 1960s (even in Scotland!), and from what I can see and judge, the difficulty with your book sales probably has nothing to do with their quality. Leaving diagnoses aside, there is no doubt in my mind that since a Programmer's Guide is urge

Re: The sky is falling... [was Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?]

On Aug 8, 2004, at 12:41 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: 2. Neither adding hooks for native platform APIs, nor adding an alternate C-like syntax (as Director did) would cause the sky to fall. In fact both of these things would both make RunRev vastly more accessible and to, and usable by, the overwhelm

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

On Aug 7, 2004, at 4:20 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: (2) if Dan gets run over by a dinosaur, how easy will it be for me to find another Rev developer? I agree that this is a stumbling block. Seems to me that a good way to deal with this is to have RunRev develop a code escrow replacement programmer kin

Re: The sky is falling... [was Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one, Frank. On Aug 7, 2004, at 9:18 PM, Frank Leahy wrote: On Aug 7, 2004, at 11:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"? To: How to use Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-I

Re: image size and depth

On Aug 7, 2004, at 8:21 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: To my knowledge, you can't set dpi from within REV. But, as dpi is not related to image resolution, you can perhaps actually set it in the binary data file. This handler might do what you suggest. It is completely untested, but might give an idea

Re: Plea to sell Dan's book widely

I agree, Dan... Unfortuantely, for the win market, it seems to be a chicken and the egg sort of thing: universities will only teach the MS stuff they are given because (a) it's free (or all but) and (b) 'it's what everybody uses in industry'. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. I remember whe

Is being a good cross-platform tool good enough? [was Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?]

On Aug 7, 2004, at 7:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Troy Rollins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"? To: How to use Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Aug 7, 2004, at 5:25 PM, Ke

Re: The sky is falling... [was Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?]

On Aug 8, 2004, at 12:18 AM, Frank Leahy wrote: 1. It is not only possible, but actually not all that hard, to create hooks to native platform APIs on a cross-platform tool. Java does it with JNI. Microsoft did it with their version of JNI (RNI?) that Sun had such a stink about and sued them

The sky is falling... [was Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?]

On Aug 7, 2004, at 11:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dan Shafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"? To: How to use Revolution <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed And therein lies the rub. I bel

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

On 8/7/04 10:57 PM, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I take both InfoWorld and EWeek. Both have had multiple articles about > the 'disenfranchisment' (is that a word?) of VB developers with .NET This is more I think about VB developers not wanting to go to .NET because it represents a

Re: Program Testing and Persistent Properties

On 8/7/04 10:41 PM, "Bob Warren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know whether Ken Ray posted his MARVELLOUS answer to the List, but > in case not, here it is! QED. A ray of light has entered my brain! Well > done, Ray. Thank you... and I did indeed forget to post this to the list. Thanks for

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

Hi Ken, I take both InfoWorld and EWeek. Both have had multiple articles about the 'disenfranchisment' (is that a word?) of VB developers with .NET And you know the last version of VB before .NET will no soon no longer be supported. The latest I've heard from Chris, who stays on top of this stu

Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

On Aug 7, 2004, at 7:18 PM, Ken Ray wrote: Well, you'll have to tell that to Real Software (unless you don't think they are a true xplat development tool) - see the Declare statement in the RealBasic help stack. And Toolbook (although it is not xplat, but IS xTalk) has support for accessing the W

Re: Program Testing and Persistent Properties

I don't know whether Ken Ray posted his MARVELLOUS answer to the List, but in case not, here it is! QED. A ray of light has entered my brain! Well done, Ray. There is one remaining question for those of you with experience in both VB and RunRev. Do you think it would be a good idea to make the "pe

Re: MDI challege

On Aug 7, 2004, at 11:39 PM, Dar Scott wrote: I consider a tool cross platform when a tool handles the core features of each platform. RR simply does't, look at lack of MDI support. I might be confused. I probably am confused. I thought MDI involved child windows in a window workspace. In that

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

Dan Shafer wrote: (1) how long will the company (RunRev) be around; and Good question. Well, let's see, the engine has been around for 10 years. You know the rest. Besides, how long is VB around for? Currently MS is still providing minor tech support, and no bug fixes. So, you need to rewrite

Re: Further on Platform Specificity

On Aug 7, 2004, at 11:30 PM, Ken Ray wrote: I just finished doing an installer in Rev for a client of mine, and you can bet there was all sorts of platform-specific code in there, like: if the platform is "MacOS" then My recently finished Rev app has this in no less than 30 handlers, for insta

Re: MDI challege

On Aug 7, 2004, at 6:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I consider a tool cross platform when a tool handles the core features of each platform. RR simply does't, look at lack of MDI support. I might be confused. I probably am confused. I thought MDI involved child windows in a window workspace. In

Re: Further on Platform Specificity

On Aug 7, 2004, at 11:20 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: If small developers want or need to create software for multiple platforms, it is crucial that they not be expected to maintain multiple code bases to do so. To the extent that the toolset they use supports OS-specific features and these features ar

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

Chipp. You make some good points but they aren't really counters to my thoughts. Rather they are sort of orthogonal segues. I did not mean to say or imply that I wish Rev would simply stop supporting other platforms. That would make their program useless to me as an OS X developer. What I s

Re: Further on Platform Specificity

> If small developers want or need to create software for multiple > platforms, it is crucial that they not be expected to maintain multiple > code bases to do so. To the extent that the toolset they use supports > OS-specific features and these features are incorporated, they end up > with a situa

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

On 8/7/04 10:06 PM, "Chipp Walters" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to mention all of the alienated VB programmers MS created when it > dumped VB in favor of .NET. And now they're getting rid of VB all together! Really? Could you provide a link where you saw that? Just curious... Ken Ray Sons o

Further on Platform Specificity

I was chatting with one of my Java buddies this evening about this discussion and he pointed out something that is important to keep in mind as well. If small developers want or need to create software for multiple platforms, it is crucial that they not be expected to maintain multiple code ba

Re: Plea to sell Dan's book widely

Bob Thanks for the vote of support! There is not much chance I will "slip through RunRevs fingers" although I will admit to *some* small degree of frustration at the very low numbers of people who have bought my first volume in any form. I don't think this says anything other than the commun

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

Couldn't agree with you more. I think it's a function of HyperCard leading the way-- and Apples 'leading-edge' effect. MS is like Dell. You rarely see innovation there first, only after someone else has 'validated' the technology. Though, I guess, MS is getting better, and one could say their a

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

Dan Shafer wrote: Chipp. You knew I'd have to chime in here. :-) Not simply to be contrarian, but I do not believe RR has any serious chance of making real inroads into other platforms. Period. Dan, Chiming back atcha! Dan, you do make a compelling argument, but I suggest 3 components wh

Re: Rev 2.2.1 for Linux very impressive !

On Aug 7, 2004, at 10:57 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: I suppose that the Darwin engine + the Linux distribution stacks are eligibles there but didn't test this for my own. I'm running X11 under OSX/Darwin at this point. I plan to do some tests with the linux distribution of Rev to see if it is even

Re: Rev 2.2.1 for Linux very impressive !

Le 7 août 04, à 23:31, Troy Rollins a écrit : On Aug 7, 2004, at 3:36 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Just to share that i discovered that Rev 2.2.1 is realy impressive under Linux x86. Works yet just as expected : i can go head with it under the linux platform too. Cool, cool, cool ;) Yes, I have a Li

Re: Plea to sell Dan's book widely

Dear List members, I have just posted the following to Kevin: What some people are saying on the List at this moment confirms what I pointed out in my notes: Windows programmers (about 90% of the market?) can easily be scared away by the MAC dominance of RunRev and its community/ lieutenants. All

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

> While I think that's fundamentally true, it's also true that they look > at total cost of ownership. And the big question that *I* hear when I > propose to use Revolution to do a project centers on the question of > long-term maintenance. That question, in turn, has two parts: (1) how > long will

Re: image size and depth

Yves, To my knowledge, you can't set dpi from within REV. But, as dpi is not related to image resolution, you can perhaps actually set it in the binary data file. For instance, a 300 pixel x 300 pixel image at 300 dpi would print out a 1" square. The same 300 x 300 image at 100 dpi prints a 3"

Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

On 8/7/04 6:24 PM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ken > > What you are saying here is that you want a cross-platform tool that > still allows you to do very platform-specific code. Or maybe you don't > care about cross-platform as long as you can use the system-specific > stuff. Ei

Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

On 8/7/04 5:54 PM, "MisterX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But it is easy and noticeably shorter and doesn't block RR... > > on doVBS x > get shell("start" && x) > end doVBS > > Although not built in, these are easy to do with the shell type commands. > Unlike externals, they dont tie up the RR

Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

On 8/7/04 5:58 PM, "MisterX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > remember flash is web based primarily so it's normal it cant do those. Perhaps, but that was Macromedia's decision to cripple Flash's standalone capability to that of its browser plugin. Personally I would have given Flash standalones more

Re: Program Testing and Persistent Properties

Can't the openCard handler be at the stack level? (Or, is this an old HC convention)... Judy On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Bob Warren wrote: > Dear Troy and Ken, > > As far as I can see, the suggested solution - > > on openCard > put EMPTY into Field "Field 1" > end openCard > > - is more or less the

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

Ken Good observations based (obviously) on experience. You may be right, though I wonder how easily this kind of market is located and tapped. Other comments below. On Aug 7, 2004, at 2:47 PM, Ken Ray wrote: However, I would disagree with you when it comes to the small-to-medium-sized busine

3d graphics in RR/MC [again]

Troy wrote: > [snip] If that RR could be strengthened with more > graphics functionality > (both 2D and 3D) I probably wouldn't bother > looking around, or needing > to constantly switch tools based on project > requirements. xavier bury wrote: > While looking at some graphic functions theory an

Re: sound in revolution -- available MIDI resources

MIDI in RunRev Windows: http://flexiblelearning.com/xtalk.htm Mac Shakobox at: UDI at: http://homepage.mac.com/udi/ Kurt Kaufman: a SMF stack bundled with RR the mac apps all take different approaches. Joe Bob says check them out. the Windows flexi,

imagedata problem Ken Ray

Does anyone else have this experience? -- I'm trying to analyze the imagedata of a whole bunch of grayscale images. The problem is that the imagedata for almost every pixel is: 0,191,191,191 or 0,85,85,85 or 0,200,200,200 Each image has its own favorite number and it seems to ma

RE: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

remember flash is web based primarily so it's normal it cant do those. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ken Ray > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 00:05 > To: Use Revolution List > Subject: Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"? > > > On 8/7/04 5:0

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RE: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

Ken, > - Being able to create new registry keys in the Windows registry > > - Ability to call VBScript as easily as AppleScript ("do

Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

On 8/7/04 5:01 PM, "Troy Rollins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I gotcha. I just wanted to be sure that there wasn't some X-plat > tool which had this in place as well. Well, RB supports API calls and ActiveX, but not accessing normal Windows DLLs directly, I believe. Directory as you said ha

Re: Program Testing and Persistent Properties

On 8/7/04 1:49 PM, "Troy Rollins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To correct this, all Bob needed to do was place scripts like - > > on openCard > put EMPTY into Field "Field 1" > end openCard > > This would clear the field each time the card was opened. The other way would be to make sure the fie

Re: Rev 2.2.1 for Linux very impressive !

On Aug 7, 2004, at 3:36 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote: Just to share that i discovered that Rev 2.2.1 is realy impressive under Linux x86. Works yet just as expected : i can go head with it under the linux platform too. Cool, cool, cool ;) Yes, I have a Linux system up and running and it is really nic

Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

On Aug 7, 2004, at 5:53 PM, Ken Ray wrote: Which x-plat development tools can do this? Troy, as was stated before by someone more eloquent than me, PC programmers may or may not care about the cross-platform nature of Rev. So I wouldn't be comparing Rev to other cross-platform tools when looking

Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

On 8/7/04 4:31 PM, "Troy Rollins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 7, 2004, at 5:25 PM, Ken Ray wrote: > >> Here's a couple of goodies: >> >> 1) Inability to use ActiveX or COM controls (although with Chipp's >> altBrowser you can use them in a web browser, but that's different). > > I kn

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

On 8/7/04 12:19 PM, "Dan Shafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chipp. > > You knew I'd have to chime in here. :-) > > Not simply to be contrarian, but I do not believe RR has any serious > chance of making real inroads into other platforms. Dan, you make a very compelling argument about

Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

On Aug 7, 2004, at 5:25 PM, Ken Ray wrote: Here's a couple of goodies: 1) Inability to use ActiveX or COM controls (although with Chipp's altBrowser you can use them in a web browser, but that's different). I know Director can use ActiveX, what other x-plat tools can? Does RealBasic? 3) Inability

Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

On 8/7/04 1:39 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Now that I've got that out of my system: What things do you PC boys find > lacking in the PC implementation of Rev? Here's a couple of goodies: 1) Inability to use ActiveX or COM controls (although with Chipp's altBrowser you

Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

On Aug 7, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Stephen King wrote: For me, reliance on 3rd party QT is a *big* issue. This is true, and frequently heard with all tools that use multimedia - from the Windows side of things. It is a non-issue on Mac, and wouldn't even qualify as "third party." Consider that, for cros

Re: sound in revolution

Hi Judy, Judy wrote.. >Is your problem with WAVs related to whether they are compressed or >uncompressed? >Judy Dunno, How do I tell? From memory I am sure I just used windows recorder to record a Wav file. I know newer recorder can also do MP3 but I have a number of older Windows WAV files to u

Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

Hi Cubist wrote... >I'm a Mac user of long standing, and I got one thing to say to those PC > users: >Welcome to *our* world, baby. Think about it. Don't get me wrong, I was only saying that for Rev to get into the big market (here in the UK), they need to show the program is PC orientate

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

On Saturday, August 7, 2004, at 10:19 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: Chipp. You knew I'd have to chime in here. :-) Not simply to be contrarian, but I do not believe RR has any serious chance of making real inroads into other platforms. ... Brilliant! Mark __

Re: image size and depth

Import a gif at double the dimensions. Scale in Rev to 50%. Print at 144dpi. Or its jpgs... one does, the other doesn't. /H > These app, incl. Rev, treat every image "as is", that means x pixels in > width and y pixels in height but with screen-resolution = 72 dpi... __

Rev 2.2.1 for Linux very impressive !

Just to share that i discovered that Rev 2.2.1 is realy impressive under Linux x86. Works yet just as expected : i can go head with it under the linux platform too. Cool, cool, cool ;) Best Regards, Pierre ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

I thought the problem was that MS changed its TTS right around the time that Rev implemented it for the previous TTS system and that Rev was going to fix it on the Rev side to be compliant with MS's TTS kit. Am I wrong? Judy On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Text-to-speech. It's

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

Le 7 août 04, à 20:18, Dan Shafer a écrit : They're using Java almost exclusively for server-side stuff these days; very few new apps are being written in pure Java for xplat deployment. And on the server-side, Java is only usable to code WEB / EAI applications servers, mainly not as is in core

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

On Aug 7, 2004, at 3:12 PM, MisterX wrote: While looking at some graphic functions theory and how to translate, Actionscript, java to TS, I noticed that the 3D in Flash is simply anymations made in Swivel3D. The rest is just smart line handling. This is true, Flash is not much of a 3D environment..

RE: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

> [snip] For me, the one big failing in > Revolution is and always will be its lack of object orientation. But I > remain willing to forego that lack in return for the ability to develop > Windows apps without having to use Windows all day to do it. Dan, That's just a matter of algorithmic a

RE: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

Troy, > coding. If that could be strengthened with more graphics functionality > (both 2D and 3D) I probably wouldn't bother looking around, or needing > to constantly switch tools based on project requirements. While looking at some graphic functions theory and how to translate, Actionscript, j

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

Thanks for this debate, Dan and Chipp, Best Regards, Pierre Le 7 août 04, à 19:19, Dan Shafer a écrit : Chipp. You knew I'd have to chime in here. :-) Not simply to be contrarian, but I do not believe RR has any serious chance of making real inroads into other platforms. Period. No matter

Re: Program Testing and Persistent Properties

On Aug 7, 2004, at 2:32 PM, Bob Warren wrote: I documented this attempt at testing the project and recorded my confusions in an article at http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/article.htm . If anyone has the patience to read through this illustrated story, would they please enlighten me as to the "highe

RE: Plea to sell Dan's book widely

I've heard it work but never tried. I think directx is required and as usual those who use it for example in games prefer samples... Anyway, making Fruityloops talk is too much fun, you can twist the sound so much it can sound like your Mac is talking! It actually reminds me of macintalk! Did sp

Is Rev too "Mac focused"?

Well, well, well. So some of the guys on the PC side of the fence find Rev alien to their usual habits/expectations? They wonder why Rev doesn't court *them* assiduously enough? They can't figure out why *their* platform-of-choice is largely ignored? Heh! I'm a Mac user of long standing

RE: Localizer - Transcriptlator - opinion request

> > I wrote a transcript translator engine for c, > > pascal, basic > > which also handles parts of fortran, php, flash, > > java and js. > > This is extraordinary! Not really but a lot of work scripting and debugging... > If you have a website, you could > provide this service via a Rev CGI.

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

On Aug 7, 2004, at 2:18 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: BTW, in my earlier too-long contribution to this dialog, I neglected to say that if I were writing apps for OS X only, I'd probably be inclined to learn and use Objective C and XCode. XCode is *almost* enough to make me want to be a Mac-only developer

Program Testing and Persistent Properties

I have only ever "dabbled" in RunRev and I have left it alone for the major part of the last 2 years when I first made contact with RunRev. Since then, I have been waiting for it to turn into a product truly describable as "decent" in comparison with VB that I am much more used to. Not long ago, a

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

Troy. On Aug 7, 2004, at 10:55 AM, Troy Rollins wrote: So far as I can see, the only way to develop X-plat using a single code-base with XCode would be to do so in Java, and I'm not sure I'm interested in that route. Don't get caught in THAT trap. I have several friends who are serious Java

Re: Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

On Aug 7, 2004, at 1:19 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: At the end of the day, RR has to find niches where cross-platform development is important or even critical. Those niches exist. But they are not mainstream programmers on either platform (and certainly not on *nix, whose developers seem to prefer Op

Re: sound in revolution

Is your problem with WAVs related to whether they are compressed or uncompressed? Judy On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Stephen King wrote: > Klaus, How did you manage WAVs? I am sure I have not managed to play a > windows WAV file in Rev without QT being installed? To me it was a big > problem as WAV is sti

Re: Plea to sell Dan's book widely

Indeed, why hasn't speech on Windows been fixed yet? Hasn't it been a year or more? Judy On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Stephen King wrote: > Speech capability seems to have vanished from the PC as far as I can see and > media playing is still restricted if QT is not installed. _

Re: Plea to sell Dan's book widely

The support of multiple sound channels, I've been told... Judy On Sat, 7 Aug 2004, Alex Tweedly wrote: > Would you agree with that ? Which Mac features are missing ? Are they > missing because of the multi-platform nature ? ___ use-revolution mailing

Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

On Aug 7, 2004, at 2:15 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: And remember, both Flash and Director found some success on PC's, and originally shipped with an Xtalk language. This is mostly true, though Flash never really had an XTalk language, it had a unique (and very basic) scripting language which quickly

Rev's Mac-Centricity (Was: Plea to sell Dan's book widely)

Chipp. You knew I'd have to chime in here. :-) Not simply to be contrarian, but I do not believe RR has any serious chance of making real inroads into other platforms. Period. No matter what they do. Over the decades -- yes, decades! -- I've been in this business, I bet I've seen 100 or

RE: image size and depth

Actually it's simpler than that... a screen image is 72 dpi at the pixel level. Color printing requires 150 dpi BW printing goes from 150 draft inkjet to 2400 or more in offset printing. 1024 px /72 dpi = x inches im sure you can do the rest of the math. the higher the res, the smaller the pictu

RE: translater tool, whoa

Andrew, Glad you asked. Surely I need a faq to answer those... Pointers are not handled. Or they will be mishandled. I may leave a choice to convert the notations this.that and this->that as this[that] I've seen object.rect->topleft and this gets more confusing... so object[rect,topleft] is

Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 11, Issue 27

Hi Mark, Wasn't MetaCard originally a Unix thing? That is very true! After about 7 or 8 years as UNIX-only!!! the first windows!!! version came out... And the MAC version shortly after that... Either way, MetaCard has ended up... well...here... :-) Cheers, Mark Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: sound in revolution

Hi Stephen, Klaus wrote.. But i hade big success playing WAV (which is noit necessarily = WAV ;-), AIF, AU and MP3 as sounds and "AVI (even DivX) and MPG as video files on Windoze without QT being installed (= NO QT ;-) Klaus, How did you manage WAVs? I just put them into a player object and that

Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 11, Issue 27

Wasn't MetaCard originally a Unix thing? Either way, MetaCard has ended up... well...here... Cheers, Mark On 7 Aug 2004, at 11:36, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, we can easily see where HyperCard, SuperCard and other 'Mac-centric' authoring environments have ended up.

Re: image size and depth

Bon jour Yves, Le 07-août-04, à 08:04, Chipp Walters a écrit : Yves, You might want to check out altResizeImgLib at http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/runrev/Downloads.htm The library doesn't explicitly reset the dpi, but it will resize it, and you can check the dpi after exporting... -Chipp Hi C

Re: Plea to sell Dan's book widely

At 09:37 07/08/2004 -0400, Richard Gaskin wrote: Indeed the productivity benefits are hard to match, and I've seen no reasoned argument describing something more productive. Agreed - though I would guess that, for me, Revolution is less than half as productive than it *should* be. It's held back b

RE: Localizer - Transcriptlator - opinion request

on Sat, 7 Aug 2004 xavier bury wrote: > I wrote a transcript translator engine for c, > pascal, basic > which also handles parts of fortran, php, flash, > java and js. This is extraordinary! If you have a website, you could provide this service via a Rev CGI. The user enters your webpage, past

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