I'm very much in both camps. I need to be verbose in my scripts so
that months down the track I can easily interpret what I've done. But
I like to use abbrevs because I'm lysdexic, I have a claim on the
world's worst speller trophy topped off by the fact that I'm not that
flash at typing. The
Why is Rev's quality control going to hell?
In my opinion, the 2.7.x series has been a huge step backwards in terms of
reliability/stability and usability. And after five revisions it's still not
ready for prime time. Here are some glaring, show-stopper problems that
still persist in 2.7.4:
-
On 20 Oct 2006, at 09:38, Bill Marriott wrote:
When the Windows Error Reporting dialog comes up I click Send
Report every
time... do you guys even receive/read those reports? Because I
haven't seen
any decrease in their frequency from one release to the next.
I can't really comment on
It gets sent to Microsoft, but not ONLY to Microsoft.
Windows Error Reporting is a FREE service specifically designed for software
vendors/developers:
Using the WER service is like having thousands of testers reporting bugs on
your company's applications. You can monitor error trends and
Good day Josep,
Since you are talking about a price list, the simplest way would
probably be to export the Excel file to a text file - for example a
tab delimited one. That text file can easily be opened in Rev: just
put the contents of it into a table field.
If you want to read directly
My mistake, must have been thinking of the Apple 'equivalent'.
Ian
On 20 Oct 2006, at 10:44, Bill Marriott wrote:
It gets sent to Microsoft, but not ONLY to Microsoft.
Windows Error Reporting is a FREE service specifically designed for
software
vendors/developers:
Being a complete dunce when it comes to mathematics, I am insanely
pleased with myself for having come up with a function to calculate
the distance between two points, using my dimly remembered schoolboy
geometry (Miss Stacey at Wimbledon College Preparatory would be
blushing with pride)
I see that one can import Flash animation .swf files into the Rev Quicktime
player. However, is it also possible to import a Flash game with all its
interactivity as well? Thanks.
Steve Goldberg
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Thanks Klaus, Mark, Dave,
I turned out the Start in field of the shortcut files was empty. As
soon as I put the proper URL into this field, everything worked OK.
Shortcuts can be created by using New shortcut. One can also
create a shortcut by right clicking on a file and selecting Copy
Hi Steve,
only as long as the interactivity is Flash 5 compatible.
You can also use altBrowser, which actually displays your Flash movie
in Revolution through the browser. That way you can have Flash
content displayed up to the current Flash version.
Kind regards,
Henk
Stgoldberg at
If you're on a mac, you can do a screen grab, cmd shift 4 and select the area
Thought someone might know whether this is possible.
A client has sent me some video on DVD. The files have the extension
.VOB. I can play them in Windows Media Viewer no problem, but I'd
like to be able to grab
Bill, Thanks - I knew it couldn't possibly be perfect - and your
observations about ABS and trunc are exactly the kind of comment I
hoped the list would supply.
Yours, somewhere between the nobel and the dunces cap,
Mark
On 20 Oct 2006, at 12:14, Bill Marriott wrote:
Well, you don't need
Alas I think you are true, Bill, I am afraid!
I have to agree with you although my work is not as impossible as you
report yours. Obviously there is some serious management issue in
Runrev which is not a new one... And this is a pity because
Revolution concept drives a very productive
Hi there,
I use the 'hide menubar' script in my latest app and it works fine on
OSX but not on Windows XP. After searching the documentation I noticed
I have to use 'hide taskbar' to have the same result on Windows XP but
it doesn't work. The app is made with RR 2.7.4!
It gets stranger because
Dag William,
Hi there,
I use the 'hide menubar' script in my latest app and it works fine on
OSX but not on Windows XP. After searching the documentation I noticed
I have to use 'hide taskbar' to have the same result on Windows XP but
it doesn't work. The app is made with RR 2.7.4!
It gets
Hi Klaus,
Sorry, I had to mention: I am on OSX on the latest Intel iMac
(beautiful machine by the way) and RR 2.7.4. Hide menubar works in the
IDE on OSX. After compiling the .exe it doesn't work on Windows XP.
And like I said it worked fine with RR 2.6.1.
greetings,
WIlliam de Smet
Hi William,
Hi Klaus,
Sorry, I had to mention: I am on OSX on the latest Intel iMac
(beautiful machine by the way) and RR 2.7.4. Hide menubar works in the
IDE on OSX. After compiling the .exe it doesn't work on Windows XP.
And like I said it worked fine with RR 2.6.1.
I forgot to mention
Hi William,
According to the docs, you can't hide the menubar on Windows. Maybe
you could hide the group. I don't understand why you would want to
hide the menubar on Windows, though. Disabling it might be a better
solution.
You can hide the taskbar on Windows. I did this with a
Hi Mark,
Like Klaus said hiding the taskbar works fine with the Windows version
of RR. I just downloaded the Windows demo of RR and installed it on
Windows XP (on my iMac via Parallels). Klaus is right it works on XP.
My problem is that 'hide taskbar' doesn't work with an .exe file made
on the
Hi William,
Yes, I build my executables for Windows XP with Rev 2.7.4 on Mac OS X
10.4.8 (and have no problems hiding the task bar).
Best,
Mark
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On Oct 20, 2006, at 2:38 AM, Bill Marriott wrote:
In my opinion, the 2.7.x series has been a huge step backwards in
terms of
reliability/stability and usability. And after five revisions it's
still not
ready for prime time. Here are some glaring, show-stopper problems
that
still persist
Umm . . .
It is not that difficult to:
1. Start something fantastically innovative,
2. Take over something from somebody else and jazz it
up considerably,
BUT . . .
it is extremely hard to maintain something -
especially something that has been belting along at
full steam for quite
some
On Oct 20, 2006, at 4:49 AM, Mark Smith wrote:
I am insanely pleased with myself for having come up with a
function to calculate the distance between two points,
That will work, and Bill's comments will make it improved. (I have
not received his mail, still in Carnivore I assume, but I
VLC can play .VOB video files
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
then any old method of screen capture should grab a
shot
which you can then edit in something such as GIMP
sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
Why pay for Ketchup when there is Open Sauce ?
On Oct 20, 2006, at 9:49 AM, Dar Scott wrote:
I don't agree with this assessment. The new installer cleans up a
lot (saves a lot of time and headache) and a lot of bugs have been
fixed.
I said this poorly. I completely accept that you are having problems
and sympathize. And I'm aware
Greg,
Have you tried doing the interactivity in Keynote and exporting to
Interactive Quicktime? It does not have all of the glitz and tools
that a Flash would have but it does offer some interactivity. I have
done a couple of projects that way.
Tom
On Oct 19, 2006, at 5:37 PM, GregSmith
Bill-
Friday, October 20, 2006, 1:38:48 AM, you wrote:
Some of you will say, Bill it would be much more productive if you filed
all this in Bugzilla. Well, I'm all for contributing to the community. But
it takes time and effort to file a decent bug report. You need to have
something
Situation. Three stacks. A MainStack and two SubStacks. MainStack queries
data from the dabase on start up. Substack1 is a small stack that is hidden.
It is called from the mainstack with the modal SubStack1, show SubStack1
commands. It pops up data is then manipulated and then re-inserted
Tom:
I have done some experimentation with Keynote, the latest version. It does
just about everything I need, but the slide effects need a high frame rate
to play nicely in QuickTime, so that would rule out anything but a very
small web demo, unless I am missing something important. Or,
I was not aware that Vista was even available as a final product.
I was not aware of any claims that 2.7.4 is ready for Vista.
Dar
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So... why don't you just stay in 2.6.1?
Nobody's forcing you to be 'on the edge'.
sqb
I do most of my work with DreamCard 2.6.1 and think it
is fantastic!
It looks, to me, as the culmination of all the work
since RR 1. 2.7 and
Co look wonky.
And I have only two questions for the generally
On Oct 20, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
While I agree with you on all these points (all right - I haven't seen
the application error on quit thing, but I'll grant that YMMV) I do
have to take issue with this one. The first step in getting some of
these problems fixed is to write up a
Bill Marriott wrote:
It gets sent to Microsoft, but not ONLY to Microsoft.
Whatever is supposed to happen, Runtime doesn't get them. Your reports
are going into the ether.
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Mark Wieder wrote:
The first step in getting some of
these problems fixed is to write up a report on it. The BZ interface
is the connection between the users and the rev team. They may look in
on the list casually now and then, but they do pay attention to the
bug reports.
Right, and they
On Oct 20, 2006, at 2:38 AM, Bill Marriott wrote:
Some of you will say, Bill it would be much more productive if you
filed
all this in Bugzilla. Well, I'm all for contributing to the
community. But
it takes time and effort to file a decent bug report. You need to have
something
I am very pleased with the 2.7.x release, my only complain is the lack of a
linux engine. Coming to the use-list complaining about the product is on my
humble opinion not the most polite and wisest path. I think the only way for
the RunRev team to better its product is thru interaction with its
Dar,
[...] The new installer cleans up a lot (saves a lot of time and
headache) and a lot of bugs have been fixed.
No way you'll get me to agree with you on the Installer issues. I can
demonstrate on a clean XP system all the specific issues I mentioned with
respect to install and
That is WAY out of line. The source of the frustration is the product. If it
worked great, I'd be happy. Don't blame the messenger, and especially don't
assume vendettas or some kind of sociopathic desire to sour everyone on
Rev.
Since my post I've gotten several email messages off-list
Yo! Andre Garzia!
I am tha someone - I don't know why people can't
call a spade a spade - or for that matter call people
by their real names - I am quite prepared to stand up
and be counted for my comments; daft or not.
1. I was not comparing RRMedia with DreamCard: I was
stating that I like DC
Mark,
Normally I'd agree with you, and this is why I tried to specifically address
WHY I don't feel Bugzilla is the appropriate avenue at this point, in my
original post. To oversimplify, I feel end-user bug reporting is good for
helping to track down obscure or difficult-to-pin-down issues --
Bill Marriott wrote:
- The installer introduced in 2.7 is horrible. It installs desktop shortcuts
that point nowhere. The file associations are busted.
The team knows this (because someone posted it to Bugzilla) and is
working on it.
- Standalones created with 2.7.x are bigger, slower,
Richmond Mathewson wrote:
including a file format change which seems to
serve no obvious purpose?
This is naive. Do you really think they'd change the file format if it
weren't necessary? Perhaps you weren't around when HyperCard did the
exact same thing for version 2.0, and had to include
Richmond,
I didn't knew it was you that sent the email. I read it in digest mode all
mixed.
It was not on purpose, sorry.
andre
On Friday, October 20, 2006, at 08:11AM, Richmond Mathewson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yo! Andre Garzia!
I am tha someone - I don't know why people can't
call a
Bill Vlahos wrote:
I have a weird problem. I'm seeing a couple of bugs in a standalone that
I'm not seeing in the IDE. In fact, both of these are bugs that were
fixed previously. Since there are two of these I'm wondering if the
2.7.4 version of Rev I have either doesn't have the current
Bill Marriott wrote:
That is WAY out of line. The source of the frustration is the product. If it
worked great, I'd be happy. Don't blame the messenger, and especially don't
assume vendettas or some kind of sociopathic desire to sour everyone on
Rev.
Apologies. Your post made me angry; not
J. Landman Gay wrote:
including a file format change which seems to
serve no obvious purpose?
This is naive. Do you really think they'd change the
file format if it
weren't necessary? Perhaps you weren't around when
HyperCard did the
exact same thing for version 2.0, and had to include a
The revbiz yahoo group was set up by Richard Gaskin
(with myself as the bloke who has the yellow crown
next to his name - chief fool?) as a place where
people who felt really sweaty about how Runtime
Revolution run their business could sound-off.
It is a great place - nobody goes their: why?
J. Landman Gay wrote:
Mark Wieder wrote:
The first step in getting some of
these problems fixed is to write up a report on it. The BZ interface
is the connection between the users and the rev team. They may look in
on the list casually now and then, but they do pay attention to the
bug
To capture still frames -- try Windows Movie Maker.
You can make a photo file easily.
Erik Hansen
If you're on a mac, you can do a screen grab, cmd shift 4 and select the area
A client has sent me some video on DVD. The files have the extension
.VOB. I can play them in Windows Media Viewer no
This post is much more constructive than your last one; it adds to the
discussion and I appreciate it.
- The installer introduced in 2.7 is horrible. It installs desktop
shortcuts that point nowhere. The file associations are busted.
The team knows this (because someone posted it to
I'm not ready to jump on Bill, for IMO, there is some value to what he has
to say.
Here are some simple facts. To my knowledge, many of the professional
developers making a living scripting, are not doing it in Rev 2.7.x-- yet. I
know I'm not. The script editor, for the way I program, is just
As a fellow Windows user, I thought I might lend some insight into some of
the issues.
On 10/20/06, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- The installer introduced in 2.7 is horrible. It installs desktop
shortcuts
that point nowhere. The file associations are busted. It doesn't perform
I just want to add my .02:
.01: Although the Rev IDE may be fraught with bugs large and small,
the standalones, if carefully programmed, seem to be (at least) as
potentially stable as any competing solution in my experience-
(meaning Director, RealBasic, etc.)... and do a lot of cool
I'll check. I built on Mac OS X for Universal (Mac) and Windows
including U3.
Bill
On Oct 20, 2006, at 1:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Bill Vlahos wrote:
I have a weird problem. I'm seeing a couple of bugs in a
standalone that I'm not seeing in the IDE. In fact, both of these
are bugs
I am mainly a Mac user, but I do have a few things I use Windows for,
so I thought I would chime in here. I agree with some of Bill's points
and disagree with others.
I have used all the 2.7.x versions and while I didn't recommend 2.7.0
to anyone else, I did get my colleagues to upgrade to 2.7.1
Stephen,
I was not aware that Vista was even available as a final product.
This is a red herring. Windows Vista has been available in various forms for
No, it's not a red herring. I have no desire to obfuscate. Unless you
are on the Vista team, if the Vista release isn't official and
Bill-
Friday, October 20, 2006, 12:59:14 PM, you wrote:
asked since Beta 2 (end of May). The whole point of an extended beta program
is to get developers ready... to give them time to migrate their code or to
Nope.
The point of a beta release is to get a wider target for finding
problems
Bill-
Friday, October 20, 2006, 1:16:41 PM, you wrote:
Normally I'd agree with you, and this is why I tried to specifically address
WHY I don't feel Bugzilla is the appropriate avenue at this point, in my
original post. To oversimplify, I feel end-user bug reporting is good for
helping to
On 20 Oct 2006, at 20:46, Andre Garzia wrote:
I am very pleased with the 2.7.x release, my only complain is the
lack of a linux engine. Coming to the use-list complaining about
the product is on my humble opinion not the most polite and wisest
path. I think the only way for the RunRev
Runtime doesn't get these reports. The only way to be sure that the
team sees your report is to enter it into Bugzilla. That is the one
and only venue that assures the problem will be noticed.
Just an example of the Rev team limiting their awareness (we
don't read the
listserv) at
On 21 Oct 2006, at 01:22, Luis wrote:
Why hasn't the current thread on Multimedia Authoring, which has
mentioned some shortcomings, received such a comment? We all know why.
I don't know why - so, why?
Best,
Mark
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So let me get this straight: WER -- A neatly pressed, folded, and
categorized collection of crash reports from actual users running Rev on a
variety of system configurations, complete with a sampling of mini heap
snapshots and system data, a system that has helped Microsoft and hundreds
of
Often people feel they are personally attacked when something of
theirs is criticised. The inability to admit shortcomings is often
covered up with personal comments such as those.
Cheers,
Luis.
On 21 Oct 2006, at 1:35, Mark Smith wrote:
On 21 Oct 2006, at 01:22, Luis wrote:
Why
So let me get this straight: WER -- A neatly pressed, folded,
and categorized collection of crash reports from actual users
running Rev on a variety of system configurations, complete
with a sampling of mini heap snapshots and system data, a
system that has helped Microsoft and hundreds
Bill,
this is not an attack, it's a simple question. I don't usually use
windows. In Mac OS X we have some nice report tool for errors too, we
can choose to send the error report and also to save it to a text
file. In extreme cases, I can send this file for the RunRev support
team or
Bill, I don't agree with your 'boycott' on license updates and will not
join you in your pugilistic and confrontational campaign.
I object to the term boycott. I never called for a boycott; never even
used the word. I'm simply stating what is a basic, if not obvious, consumer
principle: I'm
On Oct 20, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
One thing we trylu need is a Suite of Tests that test a rev
distribution for obvious bugs. This little stack could be executed
and it would test things. Many languages have this kind of suite,
Ruby has it and so does scheme. This would help
Mark,
I'd post links to sites where Microsoft includes in its beta/preview
objectives preparing developers and end users for the new operating
system... and for people to test/migrate their apps, but honestly I'm tired
and I don't particularly care if you're convinced on this minor point. But
On 21 Oct 2006, at 03:15, kee nethery wrote:
On Oct 20, 2006, at 12:46 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
One thing we trylu need is a Suite of Tests that test a rev
distribution for obvious bugs. This little stack could be executed
and it would test things. Many languages have this kind of suite,
Dar,
do you have accurate timing routines there to share? something that
could be called before and after a test so that we can measure it?
Andre
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Mark,
the whole 2.7x series
seems like a run of beta releases.
Bingo.
even in 2.7 I'm still
about four or five times more productive than I am in C++. And each
new release in this series seems to be inching its way towards
usability.
I agree that xTalk is a phenomonal scripting language
so, you're not even an Enterprise userand yet complaining about
update costs...sheeesh.
Sorry, this is not a hobby for me, I'm serious about this thing.
Quite frankly, compared with what I am able to do with Rev, the
license is quite fair.
Isn't the fact that many of us are paying even
Bill Marriott wrote:
Someone mentioned crash logs... I don't know where to
find those. (Is that a Mac-only feature, or a Rev 2.7.x option I
overlooked?)
Mac OS X has excellent crash reporting built directly into the OS which
can be retrieved and emailed by the user, but Windows isn't so
Well,
I'd argue it a different way:
If you're steathfully (is that a word??) going to switch away from an
oft-vaunted policy of free year of upgrades for a license to a this is
all you're gonna get policy of annual subscription fees, you'd really
better be continuously chugging out new versions
Whaaatt??
Are you saying that there wasn't a Hypercard list???
Maybe Apple didn't provide it, but I'm pretty certain that some of the
Apple HC engineers were on it and read it (and even contributed IIRC).
Judy
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
I was around when Hypercard changed
Thanks! I found six of them in mine; I'll email them to you.
J. Landman Gay wrote:
Bill Marriott wrote:
Someone mentioned crash logs... I don't know where to find those. (Is
that a Mac-only feature, or a Rev 2.7.x option I overlooked?)
[...]
Windows XP: From within Revolution, open
Here, here.
Judy
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006, Stephen Barncard wrote:
You act like Rev can afford a staff of Beta testers in house all the
time. They don't have the resources of M$ and I imagine the margins
are thin. After seeing the supposedly well supported Hypercard go
down, I'm very grateful
Stephen Barncard wrote
so, you're not even an Enterprise userand yet complaining about update
costs...sheeesh.
Sorry, this is not a hobby for me, I'm serious about this thing.
Hey, nice job insulting me and every other Studio user on the list. FYI, I
don't need Enterprise; I develop on
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