On Aug 19, 2005, at 10:42 AM, Dennis Brown wrote:
The way I want to search for information when I don't know what
something is called or even if it exists, is narrowing by categories.
I would want a list of 10-20 broad categories. And for each broad
category, a new list of categories would
Geoff,
The problem with Topics is that it is just a table of contents with
chapter and topic listings. It only has one general category and
then the specific topic. This is not what I was talking about. It
is neither general enough nor specific enough. It is also very slow!
I would
At 3:20 PM -0400 8/18/2005, Jon wrote:
I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in
Rev) is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple
question in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy.
line: no joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion, and
At 4:16 PM -0700 8/18/2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:
As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would
be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the
docs. If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can
expect that to happen, then we'd never need
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:
At 4:16 PM -0700 8/18/2005, Richard Gaskin wrote:
As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would
be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the
docs. If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can expect
that to
Jeanne-
Friday, August 19, 2005, 12:00:05 AM, you wrote:
The entry for \ is also the first item returned when you search the
dictionary for continue.
OTOH, filtering on continu shows absolutely nothing.
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Hi Jon,
Klaus:
I thought that all of you who paid the big bucks for the Enterprise
version got a pill with RNA in it, and that you learned it all over
night!
:)
we wished, Jon, we really wished... ;-)
Jon
Klaus Major wrote:
Hi Jon,
Jon wrote:
...
I envy those of you who use Rev
On 8/19/05 3:10 AM, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jeanne-
Friday, August 19, 2005, 12:00:05 AM, you wrote:
The entry for \ is also the first item returned when you search the
dictionary for continue.
OTOH, filtering on continu shows absolutely nothing.
Of course, because there
On 19 Aug 2005, at 09:10, Mark Wieder wrote:
Jeanne-
Friday, August 19, 2005, 12:00:05 AM, you wrote:
The entry for \ is also the first item returned when you search the
dictionary for continue.
OTOH, filtering on continu shows absolutely nothing.
But searching (not filtering) for
As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would
be great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the
docs.
FWIW, in the docs here, using 'Search For' on continue or continu lists
the backslash character in the 1st found result.
Using 'Search For' on break
Great. You figured out how to make the Help system work successfully.
Try Filtering the Dictionary and the Topics withcontinue. I get
NOTHING here.
Working with Rev should not be a game: it should be easy to locate this
information. I'm happy that you were able to find the information. I
Ken:
Of course, because there aren't any keywords that contain that string.
But perhaps that's another issue for newbies - understanding the
difference between filter and search...
Not really. Since Filter is visible, and search is not, Filter is the
ONLY facility that anyone would think
I think the lesson here is that filtering is only a way of narrowing
down the actual keywords and function names in the dictionary, or the
topic titles in the topics section. If you don't know and can't guess
the keyword or whatever, it's necessary to search, instead.
Cheers,
Mark
On 19
Revers,
Sorry to be so late on this topic. I'm retired. :-))
If you haven't already, get Wilhelm Sanke's excellent Search Docs
plugin. Put it in your plugins folder for easy access in Rev.
I typed Jon's first search into it (continue) and break \ came up as
the first in the list.
Get the
On 8/19/05 7:14 AM, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, because there aren't any keywords that contain that string.
But perhaps that's another issue for newbies - understanding the
difference between filter and search...
Not really. Since Filter is visible, and search is not, Filter is
Hi Jon,
On 8/19/05 7:14 AM, Jon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, because there aren't any keywords that contain that
string.
But perhaps that's another issue for newbies - understanding the
difference between filter and search...
Not really. Since Filter is visible, and search is not,
Klaus:
And I think even a newbie COULD (if not should) know that an option
menu might have more than 1 ehm... option :-)
Good point. I'll have to inspect the UI much more carefully in the
future for hints about other features! Maybe we can have a contest for
people who can find some other
How is this different from the existing search option?
At 08:36 AM 8/19/2005, you wrote:
Revers,
Sorry to be so late on this topic. I'm retired. :-))
If you haven't already, get Wilhelm Sanke's excellent Search Docs
plugin. Put it in your plugins folder for easy access in Rev.
I typed
If I might just interject a thought about indexes.
The way I want to search for information when I don't know what
something is called or even if it exists, is narrowing by categories.
I would want a list of 10-20 broad categories. And for each broad
category, a new list of categories would
The corollary of \ is ; (a semi-colon) ...
on sillyTest what
if what then
get 2; add 2 to it; put A after it; put it; exit to top
end if
[.../...]
end sillyTest
Useful for very short lines!
/H
FLCo
Home of the Scripter's Scrapbook
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Peter,
On August 19, 2005 11:33:48 AM CDT you wrote:
How is this different from the existing search option?
Well it is somewhat different and seems to be faster than the
documentation search
on my machine. It also hilites the search string in red in the found
topics.
Check it out by running
At 3:40 PM -0400 8/19/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The corollary of \ is ; (a semi-colon) ...
on sillyTest what
if what then
get 2; add 2 to it; put A after it; put it; exit to top
end if
[.../...]
end sillyTest
Useful for very short lines!
Also in the message box! You can
I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev)
is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question
in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy. line: no
joy. I looked at the Scripting discussion, and I know know all about
comments, but
To: Revolution List
Subject: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev)
is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question
in the documentation? I looked for continue: no joy. line: no
joy. I looked
Recently, Jon wrote:
I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it
continues to be a very frustrating experience.
Dude - even coming from a related background (Director, Hypercard,
Supercard) it took me a good year to get comfortable with Rev (then
MetaCard). And
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 3:20 PM
To: Revolution List
Subject: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev)
is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question
in the documentation? I looked
Jon wrote:
I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it
continues to be a very frustrating experience.
How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned,
and how much less time did they take to master?
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Richard Gaskin
Managing Editor,
: Thursday, August 18, 2005 2:20 PM
To: Revolution List
Subject: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
I'm sure the answer to this question (how do you continue a line in Rev)
is simple. Where could I have found the answer to this simple question
in the documentation? I looked for continue
If you'd done a search of the dictionary for break you'd have found
the \ keyword. I often have to imagine a number of words that might
be appropriate and try them all. I agree that this can be frustrating,
but persistence and imagination are the key. This goes to confirm the
idea that what
My ONLY point was that I was unable to find this simple item in the
Help. End of statement.
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Jon wrote:
I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us,
it continues to be a very frustrating experience.
How many other multi-platform
I agree that a critical problem is trying to figure out what the authors
of the documentation might have called the concept I have in mind. I
have no constructive recommendation for improving the current system,
other than that perhaps explaining the purpose of the \ character
might have been
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Jon wrote:
I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us,
it continues to be a very frustrating experience.
How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned,
4 or 5, depending how you count them ... (actually could be
Interesting dilemma.
I checked out the Microsoft Development Environment Help for VB and
couldn't find out how to 'continue' a line there either. I searched for
continue, break, line and checked all the scripting reference guides.
bummer.
Chipp
Jon wrote:
I'm sure the answer to this
Alex Tweedly wrote:
And I think there's a serious point about using Rev all the time ... -
I find Rev frustrating in trivial ways when I switch between it and
Python too often (stupid little things like writing a whole section of
script like
myVar1 = empty
myVar2 = this string
before
Hi Jon,
Jon wrote:
...
I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time.
For the rest of us, it continues to be a very frustrating experience.
Well, actually we did not wake up one morning and suddenly knew
how to do everything right, believe it or not... ;-)
Regards
Klaus Major
[EMAIL
Klaus:
I thought that all of you who paid the big bucks for the Enterprise
version got a pill with RNA in it, and that you learned it all over night!
:)
Jon
Klaus Major wrote:
Hi Jon,
Jon wrote:
...
I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time.
For the rest of us, it continues to be
Jon wrote:
I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us,
it continues to be a very frustrating experience.
How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned,
and how much less time did they take to master?
My ONLY point was that I was unable to
Richard Gaskin wrote:
xTalk is a radically different paradigm from most other languages, and
indeed carries much unlearning.
To help ease the journey for those familiar with other lanuguages I
would advocate an OPTIONAL assignment syntax as you describe.
As an option, xTalk purists could
Richard-
Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote:
Jon wrote:
I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it
continues to be a very frustrating experience.
How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned,
and how much less time did
I found it very helpful to read the docs cover to cover.
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Wieder
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:13 PM
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Richard
give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Richard-
Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote:
Jon wrote:
I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us,
it
continues to be a very frustrating experience.
How many other multi-platform programming language have
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Evensen
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:24 PM
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Subject: RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Is the continuation character documented someplace?
The current documentation is a great
this be practical?
Is there any way to automatically put the docs into a Wiki?
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Evensen
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:24 PM
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Subject: RE: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev
I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has
the same style of learning.
Just FYI, I did look at a lot of code before asking, but most people
seem to be able to avoid using the backslash. I did too, right up until
I had to use a huge libUrlFormData statement...
:)
cover to cover.
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Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 6:13 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: I give up: how do you continue a line in Rev?
Richard-
Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you
do you continue a line in Rev?
I learn a lot by looking at other people's code, but not everyone has
the same style of learning.
Just FYI, I did look at a lot of code before asking, but most people
seem to be able to avoid using the backslash. I did too, right up until
I had to use a huge
Richard Gaskin wrote:
When I was first transitioning to Transcript (back then it was called
MetaTalk) from a background of mostly SuperTalk and a little C and
Pascal (and all of it only on Mac), I whinged all over the discussion
list about how this was wrong and that was wrong and why
On 8/18/05 5:23 PM, Peter T. Evensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is the continuation character documented someplace?
Absolutely! It's under the \ keyword in the Dictionary. Technically it's
called a line continuation character, so when I did a search in the
Dictionary for continuation (Search, not
Mark Wieder wrote:
Thursday, August 18, 2005, 1:01:28 PM, you wrote:
Jon wrote:
I envy those of you who use Rev all of the time. For the rest of us, it
continues to be a very frustrating experience.
How many other multi-platform programming language have your learned,
and how much less
I think it was Jon who asked about line wraps.
Jon, you might not have noticed a nice Rev feature that also
addresses your concern. When a script window is open, you'll find a
wrap long lines item in the view dropdown menu. If you turn it
on, you don't need the backslash, but you can still
Jon wrote:
I think some people just learn differently than others.
No doubt. But at least you and I have one useful thing in common: If
we don't find it easily in the docs we bring the question here to this
list. Near-immediate gratification at zero cost -- hard to beat that
value.
I
Richard-
Thursday, August 18, 2005, 4:16:28 PM, you wrote:
As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would be
great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the docs.
If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can expect that to
happen, then we'd
Mark Wieder wrote:
Richard-
Thursday, August 18, 2005, 4:16:28 PM, you wrote:
As I noted in my previous post, I fully agree with Jon that it would be
great for Rev to include an entry for the backslash token in the docs.
If someone will kindly drop this into the BZ queue we can expect that to
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