Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-28 Thread Roy Cohen
Thank you sir :) On 28 Mar 2023, at 16:55, Justin Bertram wrote: Invitation sent. Justin On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 10:45 AM Roy Cohen wrote: > Gotcha. > > Suppose that mail group, so I hereby requesting an invite please :) > > On 28 Mar 2023, at 16:40, Justin Bertram wrote: > > You don'

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-28 Thread Justin Bertram
Invitation sent. Justin On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 10:45 AM Roy Cohen wrote: > Gotcha. > > Suppose that mail group, so I hereby requesting an invite please :) > > On 28 Mar 2023, at 16:40, Justin Bertram wrote: > > You don't need an @apache.org email in order to join the ASF Slack. You > just n

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-28 Thread Roy Cohen
Gotcha. Suppose that mail group, so I hereby requesting an invite please :) On 28 Mar 2023, at 16:40, Justin Bertram wrote: You don't need an @apache.org email in order to join the ASF Slack. You just need to request an invitation. This is noted on the website [1] (at the bottom): If you w

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-28 Thread Justin Bertram
You don't need an @apache.org email in order to join the ASF Slack. You just need to request an invitation. This is noted on the website [1] (at the bottom): If you want an invitation to the ActiveMQ Slack channel simply send a request to the users mailing list. Most of the folks in there don

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-28 Thread Roy Cohen
Understood and yes there’s a reason. Don’t I need @apache.org email in order to join that Slack workspace ? > On 28 Mar 2023, at 15:52, Justin Bertram wrote: > > Typically we like to keep everything on the list so the whole community can > benefit from the discussion. However, if there's a spe

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-28 Thread Justin Bertram
Typically we like to keep everything on the list so the whole community can benefit from the discussion. However, if there's a specific reason that privacy is a concern then you can email me directly or you can find me on the ASF Slack in #activemq. Justin On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 7:56 AM Roy Coh

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-28 Thread Roy Cohen
Hi Justin Would it be able to reach out to you directly to discuss a couple of points around the discussion below privately ? Thanks Roy > On 28 Mar 2023, at 10:26, Roy Cohen wrote: > > You have indeed ! :) > > On 27 Mar 2023, at 19:35, Justin Bertram wrote: > > I wrote that on a complet

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-28 Thread Roy Cohen
You have indeed ! :) On 27 Mar 2023, at 19:35, Justin Bertram wrote: I wrote that on a completely different thread [1] related to MQTT retained messages in a cluster. It is not related to this thread or your issue generally. Justin [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/oq41shfpv108m739km3rhs4t

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Justin Bertram
I wrote that on a completely different thread [1] related to MQTT retained messages in a cluster. It is not related to this thread or your issue generally. Justin [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/oq41shfpv108m739km3rhs4tfj76c1zf On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 1:28 PM Roy Cohen wrote: > To quote:

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Roy Cohen
To quote: “This functionality isn't supported, and while it may be technically feasible to implement I'm not sure how much sense it makes overall.” On 27 Mar 2023, at 19:16, Justin Bertram wrote: I'm not sure where I may have indicated that either one of those things isn't supported. In any

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Justin Bertram
I'm not sure where I may have indicated that either one of those things isn't supported. In any case, you can do either. Justin On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 1:07 PM Roy Cohen wrote: > Just to be clear: When you say “isn’t supported” do you mean a third > broker or co located backups when running e

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Roy Cohen
Just to be clear: When you say “isn’t supported” do you mean a third broker or co located backups when running each broker on its own VM ? > On 27 Mar 2023, at 19:04, Roy Cohen wrote: > > Will do Justin and many thanks for all the additional details which I will > certainly bring forward inter

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Roy Cohen
Will do Justin and many thanks for all the additional details which I will certainly bring forward internally, much appreciated On 27 Mar 2023, at 18:58, Justin Bertram wrote: I recently added a new section to the clustering documentation regarding things to keep in mind regarding performance

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Justin Bertram
I recently added a new section to the clustering documentation regarding things to keep in mind regarding performance [1]. Also, it's worth noting that often the bottleneck in messaging is not the broker itself but rather the consumer(s). It might be worth ensuring that the bottleneck really is th

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Roy Cohen
I haven’t tried he group-name yet. With regards to the third broker: The architects believe it’ll improve performance given the amount of messages the brokers need to process (in other words “throw more resources at it…”) > On 27 Mar 2023, at 18:28, Justin Bertram wrote: > >> What would you

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Justin Bertram
> What would you suggest is to do ? Did you try my previous suggestion already (i.e. using the "group-name" element in the "master" or "slave" element of "colocated")? Aside from that, do you know why you were asked to add another broker? Depending on the reason it may not be a good solution. J

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Roy Cohen
Hi Justin It is a good question I honestly don’t have the answer for. I inherited this configuration and was asked to add a third broker and to ensure the co located backups are being done in such a way that each broker points on another. Perhaps those who asked for it don’t fully understand Ar

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Justin Bertram
Your screenshot didn't come through the list. In any case, I'm pretty confused at this point. You're clearly using a colocated configuration that will request a backup from another broker in the cluster, but you say you're not running multiple brokers in the same JVM. If you aren't running multipl

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Roy Cohen
I don’t believe we are. So assume three Virtual Machines on Azure. Each VM runs one Artemis broker [cid:2B4DF021-281F-4CFB-B5B5-E94DA3967299] All of their ha policy section on all three brokers look like that: 1 true 1000

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Justin Bertram
> We are not running multiple brokers on the same JVM but a single instance per VM, so each one has a dedicated JVM and VM Based on your previous message I was under the impression you were using the "colocated" feature. *If* you're using this then you definitely are running multiple brokers in th

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Roy Cohen
Hi Justin Thank you for your input. Sorry, should have been clearer on our setup - We are not running multiple brokers on the same JVM but a single instance per VM, so each one has a dedicated JVM and VM Thanks Roy > On 27 Mar 2023, at 16:59, Justin Bertram wrote: > > I'm not entirely sure

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Justin Bertram
I'm not entirely sure if the configuration you want is possible. You might try using the "group-name" element in the "master" or "slave" element of "colocated." Only servers with the same group-name will pair together. Aside from that I would actually recommend against using colocated brokers. The

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Roy Cohen
1. Why change ? 2. What would the co located back strategy look like with three ? Will it align to my expectation below ? Broker01 -> Broker02 Broker02 -> Broker03 Broker03 -> Broker01 3. How can I prove the co located backup strategy with three brokers ? > On 27 Mar 2023, at 16:05, prateekja

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread prateekjai...@gmail.com
IMO, the only change would be changing broker (61616 to something like 61618) port. I would expect everything should work after that. Regards, Prateek Jain -- EXPECTATION : Causes all troubles.. --

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Roy Cohen
Hi Prateek Thanks, however that example is for two brokers, which we already have working. We are now adding a third broker to the cluster and want to understand how to change the co located backups according to my original post. Is that possible ? Regards Roy > On 27 Mar 2023, at 15:46, p

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread prateekjai...@gmail.com
Hi Roy, I dont exactly know your usecase or constraints but IMO, shared store would have been a better option. As I didnt worked/explored 1.x version so, wont comment on it. But you should be able to reference examples under artemis directory: *examples\features\ha\colocated-failover* Hope i

Re: Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-27 Thread Roy Cohen
Anyone has any thoughts on the below ? On 23 Mar 2023, at 12:37, Roy Cohen wrote:  Hello everyone We have a setup of three Artemis brokers (very old version don’t ask :)) We would like to configure the co located backups such that the backups are sent in this order: Broker01 -> Broker02 Bro

Co Located Backups Question

2023-03-23 Thread Roy Cohen
Hello everyone We have a setup of three Artemis brokers (very old version don’t ask :)) We would like to configure the co located backups such that the backups are sent in this order: Broker01 -> Broker02 Broker02 -> Broker03 Broker03 -> Broker01 I was reading on co located backups here: ht