Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-08 Thread Steven Noels
On 05 Jul 2004, at 13:39, Derek Hohls wrote: Upayavira So are you saying "tough, we have to fit into some Apache 'corporate image' ?!"... ah, I already miss the wild free days of the "Independant Cocoon Wiki" - maybe a small group of rebels will start a new, hidden site somewhere on the far side of

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-06 Thread Upayavira
Derek Hohls wrote: Upayavira Uh, I wasn't really serious here, you know. I didn't! Thanks for clarifying! But I think its good that people do know the benefits of the move... perhaps, as always, good comms around this change will help raise awareness and block any (temporary) negative perception

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Derek Hohls
Upayavira Uh, I wasn't really serious here, you know. But I think its good that people do know the benefits of the move... perhaps, as always, good comms around this change will help raise awareness and block any (temporary) negative perceptions relating to smaller details. Derek >>> [EMAIL PRO

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread David Crossley
I tweaked the top navigation panel: - removed link to MoinMoin - removed link to Apache website - removed link to HelpContents which was broken. Any more things that people would like removed/added? -- David Crossley - To unsu

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread David Crossley
Jan Hoskens wrote: > It's possible, look at: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ThemeMarket Sorry that is a Moin 1.2 feature and Apache is using 1.1 So we have to live without the side-panel for a while. There are desires to upgrade soon but not many people to help. Anyway, i added a note about it.

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Upayavira
Derek Hohls wrote: David I think there have been a lot of suggestions that are "constructive" in the sense that they suggest what needs to be changed. Unfortunately most of us are only familiar with what was possible in JPSwiki and not necessarily "moinmoin". I am sure this will improve over time

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Upayavira
Derek Hohls wrote: David If it can be customized, can someone who has been doing the "port" then see that this gets done ; its pointless asking each individual to do it. It does seem that the new wiki is much less flexible than the old, if what you say below is true. It can't work that way. I sp

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Upayavira
Derek Hohls wrote: Upayavira So are you saying "tough, we have to fit into some Apache 'corporate image' ?!"... ah, I already miss the wild free days of the "Independant Cocoon Wiki" - maybe a small group of rebels will start a new, hidden site somewhere on the far side of the world... Not at al

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread David Crossley
Jan Hoskens wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > >Jan Hoskens wrote: > > > >>It's possible, look at: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ThemeMarket > >>You'll find a leftsidebar there and probably some more interesting > >>things on that wiki concerning layouting. > > > >Great, someone with a constructive

RE: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Meyer, Christian
> Meyer, Christian wrote: > > ... i cant fix that because i dont find a way to create an > > account. > > It is confusing isn't it. There are some instructions at > http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/ConfigTodo > We need to make those instructions more prominent. > > I am current looking at enhancing

RE: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread David Crossley
Meyer, Christian wrote: > ... i cant fix that because i dont find a way to create an > account. It is confusing isn't it. There are some instructions at http://wiki.apache.org/cocoon/ConfigTodo We need to make those instructions more prominent. I am current looking at enhancing the UserPreference

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Derek Hohls
David I think there have been a lot of suggestions that are "constructive" in the sense that they suggest what needs to be changed. Unfortunately most of us are only familiar with what was possible in JPSwiki and not necessarily "moinmoin". I am sure this will improve over time; hopefully we can

RE: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Meyer, Christian
> Is it just me, or does anyone else feel > the new wiki is a major step down from > what we had before even the feather > goes the opposite way! > > Is there any way of improving/altering the > look-and-feel to correspond with, ideally, > the old wiki and, also the main Coocoon > web site ?

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread David Crossley
I must say that i am flabbergasted by the reaction here. Everybody was invited to FirstFriday a few days ago where this conversion and initial setup was the topic. We could have built on the energy of that to get the whole setup job done. However only a handful of people bothered. Anyway there a

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Jan Hoskens
David Crossley wrote: Jan Hoskens wrote: David Crossley wrote: Stephan Michels wrote: I miss the navigation panel on the left side Me too, but i don't think that we can have one (i could be wrong). It's possible, look at: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ThemeMarket You

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread David Crossley
Derek Hohls wrote: > David > > If it can be customized, can someone who has been > doing the "port" then see that this gets done ; We will do it bit-by-bit. > its pointless asking each individual to do it. Sorry you missed the point. It is all server-side config that we will do, not client-side

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread David Crossley
Jan Hoskens wrote: > David Crossley wrote: > >Stephan Michels wrote: > > > >>I miss the navigation panel on the left side > > > >Me too, but i don't think that we can have one > >(i could be wrong). > > > It's possible, look at: http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ThemeMarket > You'll find a leftsideba

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread David Crossley
Stephan Coboos wrote: > ... What has MoinMoin todo with cocoon? We can remove that from the top-panel and put it on an About page or something. For the moment you can use it to go to MoinMoin documentation and read about HelpOnAdministration > Why using the name FrontPage and not Home? It can b

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Jan Hoskens
David Crossley wrote: Stephan Michels wrote: I have the same impression. The content is much less readable. In what way? I gather colours and fonts and stuff can be customised. Read the MoinMoin documentation. I miss the navigation panel on the left side Me too, but i don't think th

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Derek Hohls
Nope; we should NOT be trying to fix things like numbering ":by hand:" - this is a clear case for site-wide update! Its precisely that more informal structure from the previous Wiki that needs to be retained; as I said elsewhere, numbering should be at the discretion of the author. Derek >>> [EM

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Derek Hohls
David If it can be customized, can someone who has been doing the "port" then see that this gets done ; its pointless asking each individual to do it. It does seem that the new wiki is much less flexible than the old, if what you say below is true. Derek >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004/07/05 02:32:2

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread David Crossley
Joerg Heinicke wrote: > Derek Hohls wrote: > > > The "numbering" of sections is very artificial; what is > > wrong with "large" fonts for higher level heading and > > and smaller ones for lower levels. > > The numbering is ok, it probably must only be fixed on most pages. I > have it done for ex

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread David Crossley
Stephan Michels wrote: > I have the same impression. The content is much less readable. In what way? I gather colours and fonts and stuff can be customised. Read the MoinMoin documentation. > I miss the navigation panel on the left side Me too, but i don't think that we can have one (i could be

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread David Crossley
Upayavira wrote: > An extra link or two were added to the list of links along the top. > Makes it a bit ugly on a narrow window. > > We need to reduce the number of 'text' links along the top. That is the global default configuration, we can change it. > Note, any things we think need changing,

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 05.07.2004 13:37, Derek Hohls wrote: I am not sure what you mean by "this must be done by hand" for the page uploads... By adding "attachment:attachment.zip" you can link attachments from with in the page. But this links must be added by hand. Joerg -

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Derek Hohls
Stephan Yup - no search box! I *knew* something else was missing, but I just couldn't find it ;-) Derek >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004/07/05 01:36:43 PM >>> Stephan Michels wrote: >Am Mo, den 05.07.2004 schrieb Leszek Gawron um 11:25: > > >>Derek Hohls wrote: >> >> >> >>>Is it just me, o

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Derek Hohls
Upayavira So are you saying "tough, we have to fit into some Apache 'corporate image' ?!"... ah, I already miss the wild free days of the "Independant Cocoon Wiki" - maybe a small group of rebels will start a new, hidden site somewhere on the far side of the world... Derek >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Derek Hohls
Joerg OK, I'm just saying that "numbering" of headings should be a styling option set by the page author and NOT the default set by the wiki; in a parallel to numbered vs bulleted lists. Given that virtaully all pages were created in an environment of no numbering, I think its fairly safe to assu

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Stephan Coboos
Stephan Michels wrote: Am Mo, den 05.07.2004 schrieb Leszek Gawron um 11:25: Derek Hohls wrote: Is it just me, or does anyone else feel the new wiki is a major step down from what we had before even the feather goes the opposite way! Why is that? MoinMoin is rich of features so p

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Upayavira
Jorg Heymans wrote: PS Oh yes, maybe its just my screen, some of the useful buttons (all very tiny!!) get hidden behind the top 'blue box' menu unless I make my browser window veeerrryyy wide. what browser is that? For me they are displayed over the blue box, a bit messy but at least they are all

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 05.07.2004 12:25, Derek Hohls wrote: The "numbering" of sections is very artificial; what is wrong with "large" fonts for higher level heading and and smaller ones for lower levels. The numbering is ok, it probably must only be fixed on most pages. I have it done for example at http://wiki.apac

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Derek Hohls
IE6, Windows Under Opera 7 they are as you describe, floating on top of the box, and making things look messy! >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004/07/05 12:50:14 PM >>> > > PS Oh yes, maybe its just my screen, some of the useful > buttons (all very tiny!!) get hidden behind the top 'blue box' > menu unl

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Jorg Heymans
PS Oh yes, maybe its just my screen, some of the useful buttons (all very tiny!!) get hidden behind the top 'blue box' menu unless I make my browser window veeerrryyy wide. what browser is that? For me they are displayed over the blue box, a bit messy but at least they are all clickable (Firefox 0

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Derek Hohls
Yes, the layout needs redoing; we need customizable menus down the left side please - remember we have a landscape layout. The highlight of code snippets inside of the text is annoying and distracting. The "numbering" of sections is very artificial; what is wrong with "large" fonts for higher l

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Vilya Harvey
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think that is more difficult to find your way in this wiki navigation is more clean in cocoondev's wiki My thoughts exactly. With the old wiki it was fairly easy to find stuff. With this new one, I really have to look hard to get to the bits that I need. Vil. --

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread gounis
i think that is more difficult to find your way in this wiki navigation is more clean in cocoondev's wiki -- stavros On Mon, 5 Jul 2004, Leszek Gawron wrote: > Derek Hohls wrote: > > > Is it just me, or does anyone else feel > > the new wiki is a major step down from > > what we had before

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Stephan Michels
Am Mo, den 05.07.2004 schrieb Leszek Gawron um 11:25: > Derek Hohls wrote: > > > Is it just me, or does anyone else feel > > the new wiki is a major step down from > > what we had before even the feather > > goes the opposite way! > Why is that? MoinMoin is rich of features so please give us a

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Leszek Gawron dijo: > Derek Hohls wrote: > >> Is it just me, or does anyone else feel >> the new wiki is a major step down from >> what we had before even the feather >> goes the opposite way! > Why is that? MoinMoin is rich of features so please give us at least one > example of what you do no

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Leszek Gawron
Derek Hohls wrote: Is it just me, or does anyone else feel the new wiki is a major step down from what we had before even the feather goes the opposite way! Why is that? MoinMoin is rich of features so please give us at least one example of what you do not like. -- Leszek Gawron

Re: New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Ivo Limmen
It's also much slower than the original. Derek Hohls wrote: Is it just me, or does anyone else feel the new wiki is a major step down from what we had before even the feather goes the opposite way! Is there any way of improving/altering the look-and-feel to correspond with, ideally, the old wik

New wiki - impressions?

2004-07-05 Thread Derek Hohls
Is it just me, or does anyone else feel the new wiki is a major step down from what we had before even the feather goes the opposite way! Is there any way of improving/altering the look-and-feel to correspond with, ideally, the old wiki and, also the main Coocoon web site ? Derek -- This m