Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Le Wed, 13 Nov 2013 08:10:41 +0100, Italo Vignoli a écrit : > On 13/11/13 00:45, Pedro wrote: > > > Charles-H, if you are reading this: this is one of the reasons it's > > hard do engage users. At some point they are reminded that they are > > not developers and therefore secondary in this proje

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 13/11/13 00:45, Pedro wrote: > Charles-H, if you are reading this: this is one of the reasons it's hard do > engage users. At some point they are reminded that they are not developers > and therefore secondary in this project... I disagree. I am not a developer, but I have never been reminded

Re: [libreoffice-users] Customize an index

Sadly, I believe that it is not possible to do this directly. The following link discusses this: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1227 On 11/12/2013 05:12 PM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote: Hi, I want to have an lexical index. Mine is a somewhat particular as, in gen

Re: [libreoffice-users] presentation question

On 11/12/2013 08:08 PM, June Newman wrote: I have libreoffice installed on a mac with os x 10.8. If I prepare a presentation and put it on a flash drive, will it play on a windows computer. I don't have the right adapter to connect to a digital projector, and need to use a windows laptop. T

[libreoffice-users] presentation question

I have libreoffice installed on a mac with os x 10.8. If I prepare a presentation and put it on a flash drive, will it play on a windows computer. I don't have the right adapter to connect to a digital projector, and need to use a windows laptop. Thanks! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: user

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 11/12/13 6:35 PM, John Meyer wrote: On 11/12/2013 6:24 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 11/12/13 4:35 PM, John Meyer wrote: On 11/12/2013 3:02 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 11/12/13 8:50 AM, John Meyer wrote: On 11/11/2013 11:33 AM, Ken Springer wrote: After using LO for awhile, I found and filed

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 11/12/2013 6:24 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 11/12/13 4:35 PM, John Meyer wrote: On 11/12/2013 3:02 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 11/12/13 8:50 AM, John Meyer wrote: On 11/11/2013 11:33 AM, Ken Springer wrote: After using LO for awhile, I found and filed a couple of bugs/issues. I wanted to co

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 11/12/13 4:35 PM, John Meyer wrote: On 11/12/2013 3:02 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 11/12/13 8:50 AM, John Meyer wrote: On 11/11/2013 11:33 AM, Ken Springer wrote: After using LO for awhile, I found and filed a couple of bugs/issues. I wanted to contribute in the area of reporting issues, bu

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 11/12/13 3:24 PM, Paul wrote: On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:44:50 -0700 John Meyer wrote: On 11/12/2013 2:39 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Here's the fault with this logic. I'm going to up the number of people for bug B just for illustrating my point. 50 people have issues with bug A. 5 people have

[libreoffice-users] Customize an index

Hi, I want to have an lexical index. Mine is a somewhat particular as, in general, one keyword refers to one place in the book (one sentence, one chapter). So, instead of having only "Keyword Tab page number", I'd like that "Keyword" or "page number" to be an hyperlink, such as it is with a t

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 11/12/13 4:45 PM, Pedro wrote: Hi Paul Paul-6 wrote Third, "there is nothing forcing him to work on anything but what he wants to" is exactly the problem IMO. Sure, but it is a problem with no solution. Unless you have blackmail material, or bribery material (such as, say, a salary), there

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

snowshed wrote > Maybe there should be a queue, and fixed on a FIFO basis. Are either of > my posted bugs, or the ones that I listed in another post debilitating? > No. Would I expect mine to be fixed before X number of debilitating > bugs? Not in a million years. But they need to be fixed

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Hi Paul Paul-6 wrote >> Third, "there is nothing forcing him to work on anything but what he >> wants to" is exactly the problem IMO. > Sure, but it is a problem with no solution. Unless you have blackmail > material, or bribery material (such as, say, a salary), there is very > little you can do

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 11/12/2013 3:02 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 11/12/13 8:50 AM, John Meyer wrote: On 11/11/2013 11:33 AM, Ken Springer wrote: After using LO for awhile, I found and filed a couple of bugs/issues. I wanted to contribute in the area of reporting issues, but I don't have the knowledge to fix the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 05:23:31 -0800 (PST) Pedro wrote: > First, it's not *my* bug. The bug is the software. The software is > not mine. Well said, and very true. > Third, "there is nothing forcing him to work on anything but what he > wants to" is exactly the problem IMO. Sure, but it is a proble

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:26:25 -0700 Ken Springer wrote: > Maybe there should be a queue, and fixed on a FIFO basis. That would be a terrible idea, at least without some prioritisation. Otherwise you'd have periods of just catching up on myriad small bugs while big issues languish. > But, if you c

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:26:25 -0700 Ken Springer wrote: > What told me I was being ignored, and essentially my issues were not > critical, is the fact they were never assigned to anyone for fixing, > and labeled as such. So you're upset because your issues were not considered "critical"? > Don't

[libreoffice-users] Re: Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

Hi Gabriel, Joel, all Gabriel Risterucci wrote > I'm having a hard t​ime compiling libreoffice with gtk3 support (or > rather, my VM is having a hard time :D). > However, I did build gtk3 with the broadway module and launched an > application (gedit) on my linux box, and "showed" it on my windows

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:44:50 -0700 John Meyer wrote: > On 11/12/2013 2:39 PM, Ken Springer wrote: > > > > Here's the fault with this logic. > > > > I'm going to up the number of people for bug B just for > > illustrating my point. > > > > 50 people have issues with bug A. 5 people have issues wi

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013 15:02:08 -0700 Ken Springer wrote: > Changes are one animal, fixes are another. Sometimes (often?) a fix entails a change... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

2013/11/12 Pedro > Hi Gabriel > > > Gabriel Risterucci wrote > > For the record, the provided wiki page reference the broadway backend of > > GTK, which mean that the software is actually running on the server, and > > only displayed in the browser. It's not different that what you'd achieve > >

[libreoffice-users] Re: Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

Hi Gabriel Gabriel Risterucci wrote > For the record, the provided wiki page reference the broadway backend of > GTK, which mean that the software is actually running on the server, and > only displayed in the browser. It's not different that what you'd achieve > with logmein or X forwarding or V

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 11/12/13 8:50 AM, John Meyer wrote: On 11/11/2013 11:33 AM, Ken Springer wrote: After using LO for awhile, I found and filed a couple of bugs/issues. I wanted to contribute in the area of reporting issues, but I don't have the knowledge to fix them. I didn't expect those problems to go to t

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 11/12/2013 2:39 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Here's the fault with this logic. I'm going to up the number of people for bug B just for illustrating my point. 50 people have issues with bug A. 5 people have issues with bug B. Extrapolate... 5 people with bug C, 5 with D, all the way though Z

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 11/12/13 5:51 AM, Paul wrote: I think there's a dangerous perception here: The perception that the LO developers work on nothing except what they want to work on. I'm pretty sure that that is very false. They work on LO because they want to work on LO, and they probably choose what to work on

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Hi, Michael, On 11/12/13 3:53 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Ken, On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 11:33 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: After using LO for awhile, I found and filed a couple of bugs/issues. I wanted to contribute in the area of reporting issues, but I don't have the knowledge to fix them. I di

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

run a portable version (e.g. X-LibreOffice) from your own pen (it only needs some 400Mb) Running LibreOffice from a Web Server would be fantastic... Yes, I agree. Kolbjoern https://www.rollapp.com/search?query=libreoffice -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.o

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

Den 12.11.2013 19:21, skreiv Pedro: Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote Den 12.11.2013 16:47, skreiv jomali: Can't you use LogMeIn.com to do what you want? I am using Dropbox for that purposes. It is free up to a few Gb of storage. LogMeIn is not the same. You would be running LibreOffice on the remote c

FW: [libreoffice-users] Re: CALC convert text to numbers

From: David Gast Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:37 To: Denis Navas Vega Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: CALC convert text to numbers It does not contradict my assertion. I did not discuss multiplication. The answer is that it depends on how you multiply. You did not state how you mult

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

2013/11/12 Pedro > Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote > > Den 12.11.2013 16:47, skreiv jomali: > >> Can't you use LogMeIn.com to do what you want? > > I am using Dropbox for that purposes. It is free up to a few Gb of > > storage. > > LogMeIn is not the same. You would be running LibreOffice on the remote >

[libreoffice-users] Re: Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote > Den 12.11.2013 16:47, skreiv jomali: >> Can't you use LogMeIn.com to do what you want? > I am using Dropbox for that purposes. It is free up to a few Gb of > storage. LogMeIn is not the same. You would be running LibreOffice on the remote computer. Dropbox is not the sam

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote: > Den 12.11.2013 16:47, skreiv jomali: > >> Can't you use LogMeIn.com to do what you want? >> > I am using Dropbox for that purposes. It is free up to a few Gb of storage. > Kolbjoern > Dropbox != LogMeIn. Dropbox just stores files. LogMe

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Hi Tanstaafl, LibreOffice is using freedesktop.org infrastructure for bug management software and code repository. How do I just log into the bug reporting system and search it? Anyone? > This is a list of all LibreOffice bugs

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Hi :) Something that often annoys me is that we seem to ignore all the work of all the devs who are paid to work on LibreOffice. I thought something like 10%-20% of devs are employed by various companies, governments and other organisations? The advantage for the organisations, companies and gove

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > CC'ing the website list because it is about the website, but I'm not > subscribed, so please CC me on replies if you really want to discuss this > complaint. I've also cc'd the QA team (who manage/work on the bugtracker, including Rob Snelders,

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Hi Charles Tanstaafl wrote > That would help for that one issue, but I still don't have a clue how to > log into the bug system and work with bugs... You are right that the current documentation won't take you there :) Go to https://bugs.freedesktop.org/ and click on Log In (second item from t

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

Den 12.11.2013 16:47, skreiv jomali: Can't you use LogMeIn.com to do what you want? I am using Dropbox for that purposes. It is free up to a few Gb of storage. Kolbjoern On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:14 AM, David Lastovicka wrote: bill techservsys.com> writes: On 2/23/2013 3:00 PM, Luuk wro

Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 2013-11-12 9:53 AM, Philipp Weissenbacher wrote: Hi Tanstaafl, LibreOffice is using freedesktop.org infrastructure for bug management software and code repository. Ok, this doesn't help me any, but ok... ;) How do I just log into the bug reporting system and search it? Anyone? This is

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 11/11/2013 11:33 AM, Ken Springer wrote: > After using LO for awhile, I found and filed a couple of bugs/issues. I > wanted to contribute in the area of reporting issues, but I don't have > the knowledge to fix them. I didn't expect those problems to go to the > head of the line. But I *did*

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

Can't you use LogMeIn.com to do what you want? On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:14 AM, David Lastovicka wrote: > bill techservsys.com> writes: > > > > > On 2/23/2013 3:00 PM, Luuk wrote: > > > Not any good answers, and not any bad answers. > > > No answers at all. ;( > > > > > > Seems no one

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

2013/11/12 David Lastovicka > bill techservsys.com> writes: > > > > > On 2/23/2013 3:00 PM, Luuk wrote: > > > Not any good answers, and not any bad answers. > > > No answers at all. ;( > > > > > > Seems no one is interested in being able to edit via a browser > > > > I can not imagine wh

Re: [libreoffice-users] Engaging users: initial results of the survey

John, Okay, that sounds different from what I initially understood. :-) I thought you wanted to restart the survey. Anyway, thanks for the tip. We'll take more care about phrasing what we want in the first place next time. However, I suggest you read the archives of our marketing list during the

[libreoffice-users] Re: Using_LibreOffice_in_a_Web_Browser

bill techservsys.com> writes: > > On 2/23/2013 3:00 PM, Luuk wrote: > > Not any good answers, and not any bad answers. > > No answers at all. ;( > > > > Seems no one is interested in being able to edit via a browser > > I can not imagine why I would want to. > Why would I want to ? >

Re: [libreoffice-users] Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Charles, What's expensive about setting up a mailing list dedicated to the survey and asking internally "what do we want to know about users and how do we want to find out about it"? Or doing some requests for volunteers from local university statistic students? Your volunteers don't nece

Re: [libreoffice-users] Engaging users: initial results of the survey

John, I'm well aware on how to run a project; and many comments and critiques I have read so far are valid. Just keep in mind that we're not going to run just another survey because according to some, it wasn't granular enough (btw: there are others who would object to your methodology as being t

Re: [libreoffice-users] Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Okay, I point out problems and you're response is "you don't like it you can run out your own survey" and then say I'm inaccurate without stating why I'm inaccurate with a solicitation for donations in the previous e-mail. Do you see the major issue here? Flies, honey, vinegar. I don't know how

Re: [libreoffice-users] Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Le Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:29:47 -0700, John Meyer a écrit : > You made a survey without a survey statistician on your team. Did you > send out a request for such a person on the mailing lists to advise > you before you put together the survey? Did you have a clear and > concise question that you w

Re: [libreoffice-users] Engaging users: initial results of the survey

You made a survey without a survey statistician on your team. Did you send out a request for such a person on the mailing lists to advise you before you put together the survey? Did you have a clear and concise question that you wanted to answer before you developed the survey questions? Did you

[libreoffice-users] On Reporting Bugs

For me I tried to navigate bugzilla to report continuing bugs where 2 formatting issues occur regularly: 1. Some cells in Calc have mixed size formatting in them or mixed fonts (parts are in Geneva 10 and parts in Geneva 12) I can go in by hand to each cell, select the piece that is the wrong

Bug/Enhancement request - Document Compatibility Submission Page/Service - WAS: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 2013-11-12 8:53 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > How do I just log into the bug reporting system and search it? Anyone? Ok, so I just decided to go ahead and go through the submission process, and afterwards was finally able to search. I didn't find any similar bugs, so I added a single comment to co

[libreoffice-users] Frutiger Font Problem

Hi I'm using the Frutiger Font (ttf, linotype) for several Years now for my work an have al lot of Documents and Templates. Since upgrading to ubuntu 13.10 (libreoffice upgraded to 4.1.2) the Frutiger isn't displayed correct in libreoffice-writer. Only the top half of the Font is visible. If I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Le Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:57:20 -0700, John Meyer a écrit : > On 11/10/2013 11:46 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > Hello, > > > > As there were some exchanges about the survey here and as I > > advertised it on this mailing list as well, I thought you might be > > interested by my initial analysis:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Engaging users: initial results of the survey

On 11/10/2013 11:46 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Hello, > > As there were some exchanges about the survey here and as I advertised > it on this mailing list as well, I thought you might be interested by > my initial analysis: > http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2013/11/10/users-the-final-

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Paul, Just completing Pedro's answers inline... Le Tue, 12 Nov 2013 05:23:31 -0800 (PST), Pedro a écrit : > Paul-6 wrote > > I think there's a dangerous perception here: The perception that > > the LO developers work on nothing except what they want to work on. > > I didn't mean to say that. >

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

CC'ing the website list because it is about the website, but I'm not subscribed, so please CC me on replies if you really want to discuss this complaint. On 2013-11-12 5:53 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: The problem of course is that there is no queue of bugs-to-fix. We try to prioritize issues, so

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Paul-6 wrote > I think there's a dangerous perception here: The perception that the LO > developers work on nothing except what they want to work on. I didn't mean to say that. I'm aware that some developers work on whatever is needed and fix the most urgent bugs/regressions. But out of 300 develo

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

I think there's a dangerous perception here: The perception that the LO developers work on nothing except what they want to work on. I'm pretty sure that that is very false. They work on LO because they want to work on LO, and they probably choose what to work on based on at least the following:

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Stefan Weigel wrote > Am 12.11.2013 11:46, schrieb Michael Meeks: > >> [ given the vast disparity in time-to-file (1 minute) vs. >> time-to-fix (5 man days avg) ] > > ...in correlation with 1 developer investing 5 days to fix it vs. > maybe hundreds, thousands or even hundreds of thousands of use

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Servus Micheal, true, what you are saying, but one little thing: Am 12.11.2013 11:46, schrieb Michael Meeks: > [ given the vast disparity in time-to-file (1 minute) vs. > time-to-fix (5 man days avg) ] ...in correlation with 1 developer investing 5 days to fix it vs. maybe hundreds, thousands o

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Hi Urmas, On Tue, 2013-11-12 at 05:35 +0700, Urmas wrote: > Then why does the LO site not feature a warning on a front page: "User, > you are ... So - trying to condense something positive out of this; it sounds like we should have something (perhaps in the BSA) that explains to newcomers

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Hi Ken, On Mon, 2013-11-11 at 11:33 -0700, Ken Springer wrote: > After using LO for awhile, I found and filed a couple of bugs/issues. I > wanted to contribute in the area of reporting issues, but I don't have > the knowledge to fix them. I didn't expect those problems to go to the > head of

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Hi Ken snowshed wrote > But, basic things should work right. In my list I have here, but have > not tested in 4.x.x You are right. It is sometimes amazing how simple things don't work or stop working (regressions)... But overall they tend to get better. I sincerely recommend that you give vers

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Hi Jim James E. Lang wrote > Pardon my ignorance. I don't even know what Nabble or gmane are. If they > are "social media" then this old geezer doesn't participate and that's by > choice. Mailing lists, product specific forums, and even (to a limited > extent) IRC channels are fine. Nabble is an

[libreoffice-users] Re: CALC convert text to numbers

Brian If you are using a Mac 10.9 then you can move a Tool Bar icon simply by clicking on the gap to the right of the icon. When the "object" frame appears, drag the fame to where you want the icon, let go and the icon will move. I use CT2N when I copy and paste from a web site and it works, with

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Hi :) If a troll gets banned they usually just find another new name or even go so far as to set-up a new free email account The only ways that seem to work are 1. To let them know their behaviour is being (possibly) misconstrued as unhelpful and unfriendly 2. avoid taking any notice of them whe

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Le Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:17:31 +0100, Alexander Thurgood a écrit : > Le 11/11/13 12:19, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : > > > Hi Charles, > > > Next time I'm sure you can join us in the weeks during which we > > discussed the survey on the marketing and project's list :-) > >> > > Gladly, but the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Thanks for your input Dan! Best, Charles. Le Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:15:55 -0500, "Dan Hall" a écrit : > For what it's worth... I'm just a casual user of LO. It was > installed on my new computer when I bought it a year and a half ago. > I got on this list because the spell checker wouldn't wor

[libreoffice-users] Re: Postgres and Calc

Le 11/11/13 14:59, Duncan Adams a écrit : Hi Duncan, > I am attempting to connect a query such as > select quantity from item_table where location_id = 1 and item_id = 1 > and owner_id = 1 > to a Libreoffice Calc cell for instance sheet1.d7 I don't see how you can do this absent the use of

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging users: initial results of the survey

Le 11/11/13 12:19, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Hi Charles, > Next time I'm sure you can join us in the weeks during which we > discussed the survey on the marketing and project's list :-) >> Gladly, but the main reason I'm not on, or only rarely follow, the marketing list, is because of what I