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2009-06-12 Thread Matt Kettler
Mike Yrabedra wrote: unsubscribe If you look at the message headers, there's a header explaining where to send unsubscribe messages to (this is the RFC standard header for doing this, so look for it in other mailing lists): List-Unsubscribe: mailto:users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org

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2009-06-12 Thread Asif Iqbal
Paolo, You need to send the email to this address users-unsubscr...@spamassassin.apache.org On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Paolo Toninpaolo.to...@gmail.com wrote: -- Asif Iqbal PGP Key: 0xE62693C5 KeyServer: pgp.mit.edu A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Fri, June 12, 2009 14:37, Matt Kettler wrote: If you look at the message headers, there's a header explaining where to send unsubscribe messages to (this is the RFC standard header for doing this, so look for it in other mailing lists): google webmail does not support it :/

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Michael Scheidell
Benny Pedersen wrote: On Fri, June 12, 2009 14:37, Matt Kettler wrote: If you look at the message headers, there's a header explaining where to send unsubscribe messages to (this is the RFC standard header for doing this, so look for it in other mailing lists): google webmail does

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Shane Williams
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Michael Scheidell wrote: the spamassassin mailing list does violate (technically) the US (you) CAN-SPAM laws. #1, no easy unsubscribe (if you are on gmail, you really can't unless you know how to) #2, no full physical address of sender. Since CAN-SPAM only covers email

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Curtis LaMasters
I'm curious why you can't see the unsubscribe link in the header with Gmail. I can. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Shane Williamssha...@shanew.net wrote: On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, Michael Scheidell wrote: the

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Yet Another Ninja
and when all fails: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=unsubscribe+spamassassin+mailing+list On 6/12/2009 4:07 PM, Curtis LaMasters wrote: I'm curious why you can't see the unsubscribe link in the header with Gmail. I can. Curtis LaMasters http://www.curtis-lamasters.com http://www.builtnetworks.com

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Michael Scheidell
Shane Williams wrote: Since CAN-SPAM only covers email whose primary purpose is advertising or promoting a commercial product or service, the SA mailing list isn't even address by the law, much less in violation of it. Guess I never caught that part. I knew the lawyers who drafted it made

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Charles Gregory
maybe i lean towards if you are not smart enough to find the headers you shouldn't have subscribed in the first place. Actually, it's worse than that. In order to FIND the list and the link/insruction to subscribe to it, you go to the website, and the two links for subscribing and

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Mike Cardwell
Charles Gregory wrote: maybe i lean towards if you are not smart enough to find the headers you shouldn't have subscribed in the first place. Actually, it's worse than that. In order to FIND the list and the link/insruction to subscribe to it, you go to the website, and the two links

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Michael Scheidell
Could even just send an autoresponse back to the sender advising them where they should look in order to find out the unsubscribe instructions. Or run a script to unsubscribe them :-) Could look for 'out of office' and 'on vacation' also. -- Michael Scheidell, CTO |SECNAP Network Security

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Raquel
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 10:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Charles Gregory cgreg...@hwcn.org wrote: maybe i lean towards if you are not smart enough to find the headers you shouldn't have subscribed in the first place. Actually, it's worse than that. In order to FIND the list and the link/insruction

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread SM
At 06:43 12-06-2009, Michael Scheidell wrote: SA mailing list folks: you might want to include both automatically in the footer of your emails. Yes, they will break dkim signing for many people, but maybe we should lead by example. The people that footer is intended for won't read it

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-12 Thread LuKreme
On 11-Jun-2009, at 13:45, Charles Gregory wrote: 2) I disagree that another person could/should 'fork' the botnet plug-in. This would cause confusion even if care was taken to rename the plug-in or otherwise distinguish the two versions for the newbie looking to download a recommended

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread LuKreme
On 12-Jun-2009, at 07:25, Benny Pedersen wrote: google webmail does not support it :/ Yes it does. Look under something like Original Message -- I am by nature made for my won good, not my own evil

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread LuKreme
On 12-Jun-2009, at 07:43, Michael Scheidell wrote: the spamassassin mailing list does violate (technically) the US (you) CAN-SPAM laws. No one cares, and it's not true. The unsubscribe link is right there in plain sight. Whether Gmail conceals it from you has nothing to do with it. If

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread LuKreme
On 12-Jun-2009, at 10:36, Raquel wrote: It's called double opt-in No it's not. It's called 'subscription confirmation'. Double opt-in is a spammer phrase invented to imply that a form on a web page asking for an email address is opt-in. -- Look, that's why there's rules, understand? So

Re: backscatter from dnswl

2009-06-12 Thread aep
Excerpts from Charles Gregory's message of Thu Jun 11 07:13:02 -0700 2009: How many accounts are we talking about here? If it is just one or two addresses, and the user(s) being 'spoofed' have distinctive *names* on their genuine 'From' headers, then you can test for quoted messages in the

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Curtis LaMasters
LuKreme, I agree that one should be able to read the mail headers, but unless you knew to look there, you wouldn't really ever care to. Especially when wanting to unsubscribe. I don't think it has ever come across my mind to look there. RFC's aside...a link at the bottom of the email is the

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-12 Thread Henrik K
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 07:39:58PM -0600, LuKreme wrote: But I would never guess from the package that a patch was available or useful. It is useful for SOME people under SOME conditions. It is not *universally* useful. It's not universally useful to have some *basic* sanity

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Evan Platt
At 07:16 PM 6/12/2009, you wrote: LuKreme, I agree that one should be able to read the mail headers, but unless you knew to look there, you wouldn't really ever care to. Especially when wanting to unsubscribe. I don't think it has ever come across my mind to look there. RFC's aside...a link

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Raquel
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:47:21 -0600 LuKreme krem...@kreme.com wrote: On 12-Jun-2009, at 10:36, Raquel wrote: It's called double opt-in No it's not. It's called 'subscription confirmation'. Double opt-in is a spammer phrase invented to imply that a form on a web page asking for an email

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread LuKreme
On 12-Jun-2009, at 20:16, Curtis LaMasters wrote: RFC's aside...a link at the bottom of the email is the easiest. I don't plan on unsubscribing so I don't really care, but being bull headed is pointless in this case. Modifying the message body breaks things. If you can figure out how to

Re: Unsubscribe

2009-06-12 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sat, June 13, 2009 03:42, LuKreme wrote: On 12-Jun-2009, at 07:25, Benny Pedersen wrote: google webmail does not support it :/ Yes it does. Look under something like Original Message it was a leading q a from my side and i am not using it :) -- http://localhost/ 100% uptime and 100%

Re: BOTNET timeouts?

2009-06-12 Thread Charles Gregory
On Fri, 12 Jun 2009, LuKreme wrote: So if I may recommend: Why not include the patch as a separate file in your download, John explained why. This patch does not represent the direction he wants to go with Botnet. Remember that comment about design philosophy? When he GOES in that direction,