[USMA:47692] And now for something completely different

Have a go at this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om7O0MFkmpw&feature=player_embedded

[USMA:47693] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

Ah, so then it really is correct to say that the UK is the only country in the world that has actually outlawed metric distance and speed limit signs on public roads and motorways? -- Ezra - Original Message - From: "Paul Trusten" To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Thursday, Jun

[USMA:47694] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

Paul: I can't believe what you said in your third sentence - it was tongue-in-cheek, right? This of course is the old argument that has been used over and over again by opponents of converting to metric speed limits - it will be too dangerous/confusing/hazardous, etc. All wrong, of course. I

[USMA:47695] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

I am not sure if that currently is or will continue to be true.  It has been true in the past. The Feds publish the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) and Standard Highway Signs & Markers (SHSM).  In many cases, a choice is offered, and the States may choose which of the allowabl

[USMA:47696] Re: Fw: Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI

You have it right.  That is why I prefer cubic forms for any amount in excess of 1 m³.  I believe kiloliter should be relegated to the same trash bin as the millitonne.  Prefixes greater than one with the liter and less than 1 with tonne should be carefully reconsidered, because the units are sp

[USMA:47697] Re: Metric motors in the USA

Pat, I am relieved to hear that centimeters are "good enough for sheep stools." :) Rest assured the primary data is in millimeters, and the other units are only to simplify area and volume calculations. From: Pat Naughtin To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: T

[USMA:47698] Re: Fw: Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI

I think this note justifies aberrant US spelling.  It takes two typos to turn deka- into deci-, only one in ROW. (I'm sure it is a typo as you had right twice.) Apart from the meter/metre debate, the BIPM should take a 2nd look at this one. From: Pat Naughtin

[USMA:47699] Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI

At least by API, and the definition seems to be accepted by NIST.  The other two values are conversions. The question is why do all the foreign oil companies operating in the US still use it.  I don't know the answer. I also know that ISO publishes temperature conversion tables for petroleum; I

[USMA:47700] Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI

Not megasquaremetres!  The prefix attaches to the unit and both are squared (or cubed for volume) Either square megameters, or megameters squared, both describing an area 1000 km x 1000 km. After 999 dam³ comes 1 hm³, but the SAE doesn't build dams and this exceeds what a farmer is likely to us

[USMA:47701] Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI

I spent (wasted?) considerable time trying to sort out the API rules for density adjustment, which they call volume correction factors.  They want to sell the standard for $500, but I think I have pieced together the algorithm from scraps here and there.  At least it checks to 4 sig. fig. with s

[USMA:47702] Fwd: RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted byUS Federal law or regulation?

-- "Go for a Metric America" Howard Ressel Project Design Engineer, Region 4 (585) 272-3372 >>> On 6/11/2010 at 8:38 AM, in message <4c11f614.c3f6.00c...@dot.state.ny.us>, Howard Ressel wrote: > Yes for example, NYSDOT has several metric signs at border crossings on the > north country. On o

[USMA:47703] Abby is safe, is AP changing?

style guide pretends metric doesn't exist.  While we would all prefer metric in the primary position, this is still an improvement and deserves to be recognized as such. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100611/ap_on_re_as/lost_sailor_found

[USMA:47704] Re: Fw: Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI

But I want to hear the estimates in *mass* units, kilograms and kg/s, not in decimeters^3 or in liters or their time rates of flow. Original message >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:11:51 +1000 >From: Pat Naughtin >Subject: [USMA:47682] Re: Fw: Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI >To:

[USMA:47705] Re: Metric motors in the USA

"L/in^3" is *CENSORED*! Please cease and desist its use! EAM, Inquisitor, a self appointed censor of deviations from SI Original message >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 13:37:10 +1000 >From: Pat Naughtin >Subject: [USMA:47684] Re: Metric motors in the USA >To: "U.S. Metric Association"

[USMA:47706] Re: Metric motors in the USA

Martin, "cc" without some form of deprecation, is *CENSORED*! Do you acknowledge the fact that "cm^3 is sometimes incorrectly typeset as cc"? Of course you do. EAM, Inquisitor. > > On 2010/06/11, at 05:07 , Martin Vlietstra wrote: > > The European industry uses litres if only one >

[USMA:47707] Volume in metric

These remarks are prompted by the "Oil spill" thread which lead to a discussion on units of volume. The litre (or liter of you prefer) has, IMHO, a lot going for it as a general purpose unit for most ranges. Its main advantage is the avoidance of the superscripted 3 for plain text messaging.

[USMA:47708] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

Sorry Paul, but "miles per hour" is *censored* without some form of deprecation. I'm hoping that Fourth Generation (4G) communications technology will enable all of us to mark objectionable expressions by highlighting in red. EAM, Inquisitor. Original message >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010

[USMA:47709] Re: Fw: Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI

Gene, I'm really surprised that you would put an exponent on a unit name, rather than on a unit symbol, or instead of spelling it out as in "cubic decimeter". You're getting downright casual and mellow, my friend. Jim mech...@illinois.edu wrote: But I want to hear the estimates in *mass*

[USMA:47710] Correcting the AP Style Book

Absolutely, Pat, many of us should use the URL for suggestions to the AP to request an update of the AP Style Book to accept SI (at least) and to promote SI (at best)! Thanks for providing the URL for suggestions to the AP. Gene. Original message >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 15:50:05 +10

[USMA:47711] Re: Volume in metric

I prefer the cubic meter. It can be visualized, and it is derived directly from one of the actual seven base units of the SI. I heard a reporter talk about thousands of liters of spilled oil, but if he said "cubic meters," I would really feel it more. Paul - Original Message - From

[USMA:47712] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

Sorry John F-L, but "mph" without deprecation is *CENSORED*! EAM, Inquisitor, Original message >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:40:48 +0100 >From: "John Frewen-Lord" >Subject: [USMA:47694] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs >permitted by US Federal law or regulation? >To:

[USMA:47713] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

John, I continue to admire the thoroughness of your research on various questions related to metrication. We can depend on you to dig out relevant, reliable, and often official sources. What search engines do you use? Gene. Original message >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 03:28:00 -0700 (

[USMA:47714] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

Also - to state that it's just roads and beer that are 'stuck in the past' (ie, 'imperial') is just plain daft. There have been enough examples from contributors here to realise that (and that's BEFORE you switch the TV/Radio on or go for a walk!) Re: censoring - isn't there a problem with km/

[USMA:47715] RE: Abby is safe, is AP changing?

exist. While we would all prefer metric in the primary position, this is still an improvement and deserves to be recognized as such. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100611/ap_on_re_as/lost_sailor_found

[USMA:47716] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

"Stuck in the past" - an apt description I think. - Original Message - From: "Stephen Humphreys" To: "U.S. Metric Association" Sent: Friday, 11 June, 2010 5:31:44 PM Subject: [USMA:47714] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation? Also

[USMA:47717] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

I mostly use Google, and sort the wheat from the chaff the hard way..  However, in this case I was familiar with the documents and just needed links to the latest edition.  I won't pretend I have memorized them, but I have read MUTCD and SHSM cover to cover (fairly dull and dry, if you want to k

[USMA:47719] SI Request to the AP

Pat, AP sent me a notice by e-mail of having received my request, but did not give me access to a copy of my own request. I requested that AP revise its Style Book to not only accept SI units of measurement, but to agressively promote SI units of measurement. I also asked AP not to encourage

[USMA:47718] Re: Volume in metric

You have the relationships right; I had been thinking of typing them too, but was out for a while.  Thanks. I suppose it is a matter of preference, either personal, or the recommendation of a professional society you are associated with. As far as I can tell, either is a legal construct in the S

[USMA:47720] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

My reading of the various bits of UK legislation is that the UK is an exceptional country - there seem to be exceptions for everything. Firstly we have the EU directive which permits miles, yards, feet and inches on road signs and distances in all member states that were using them in 1972. Tha

[USMA:47721] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

Stephen, The unit "hour" is approved for use with SI (See the BIPM Brochure, Table 6). Therefore, the Inquisitor is not authorized to censor the unit "hour" in favor of the coherent SI unit of time, the second (s). Original message >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 16:31:44 + >From: Stephe

[USMA:47722] RE: SI Request to the AP

I have sent my suggestion: AP is a source of news used by journalists. As such they should minimize the amount of interpretation that they do. One area where this is noticeable is in the area of units of measure. If the source unit of measure is not in customary units, AP silently converts it

[USMA:47723] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

Steve, why don't you visit www.bipm.org and follow the links to the SI brochure - you might learn something. -Original Message- From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of mech...@illinois.edu Sent: 11 June 2010 20:53 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject:

[USMA:47724] Re: Fw: Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI

Touche, Jim (please add accent). Exponents go only on unit symbols, not on unit names. Original message >Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 10:22:00 -0500 >From: "James R. Frysinger" >Subject: [USMA:47709] Re: Fw: Re: Oil Spill Technical Team Using SI >To: "U.S. Metric Association" > > >Gene

[USMA:47725] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

Plus British overseas countries (or whatever the term is) such as Monserrat in the Caribbean which has consistently voted against independence. They use 'imperial' road signs by the way. From: vliets...@btinternet.com To: usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:47720] RE: Are metric speed limit and/

[USMA:47726] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs permitted by US Federal law or regulation?

Why I 'learn' enough here! ;-) (ahem) > From: vliets...@btinternet.com > To: usma@colostate.edu > Subject: [USMA:47723] RE: Are metric speed limit and/or distance signs > permitted by US Federal law or regulation? > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 21:02:26 +0100 > > > Steve, why don't you visit www.bi

[USMA:47727] Re: Volume in metric

At 2010-06-11T16:14+0100, Phil Hall wrote: > The litre (or liter of you prefer) has, IMHO, a lot going for it as a > general purpose unit for most ranges. Its main advantage is the > avoidance of the superscripted 3 for plain text messaging. It is also > easily converted to cubic metres when that

[USMA:47728] RE: Metric motors in the USA

cwoody...@usatoday.com should be the author's email incase any of you want to email him.  :) Original Message Subject: [USMA:47648] RE: Metric motors in the USA From: "Ametrica" Date: Fri, June 11, 2010 4:09 pm To: Cc: "Ressel Howard"

[USMA:47729] Re: Volume in metric

On 2010/06/12, at 01:14 , Phil Hall wrote: These remarks are prompted by the "Oil spill" thread which lead to a discussion on units of volume. The litre (or liter of you prefer) has, IMHO, a lot going for it as a general purpose unit for most ranges. Its main advantage is the avoidance of

[USMA:47730] Re: Metric motors in the USA

I was in the hospital two weeks ago (there were some cells in the prostate that didn't belong there so they took the whole thing out). The nurses kept talking about "cc" this and "cc" that and I kept replying in milliliters. As I said in a previous post, though, one advantage to cubic measure is

[USMA:47731] Re: Metric motors in the USA

Bah, I have no problem with cc.   fl oz?  I have a problem with.  haha1800cc, 1.8 liters, 1800 mL, doesn't matter...I'm all fine with it.   Original Message Subject: [USMA:47730] Re: Metric motors in the USA From: "Carleton MacDonald" Date: Fri,

[USMA:47732] San Diego Accounts and Australia

Dear All, I found this most interesting: http://www.sandiegoaccountantsguide.com/library/Metrication-in-Australia.php especially this thought: "The change itself provided a unique opportunity to rationalise and modernise industrial practices and bring Australia's technical standard specif