[USMA:49373] EU request for metric-only labeling a chance to amend the FPLA?

2010-12-31 Thread ezra . steinberg
I have learned that on November 11 the European Parliament adopted a resolution on the EU-US Summit and Transatlantic Economic Council (TEC) meeting scheduled for December 16–17calling for the mutual recognition of legal units of measurement, in particular acceptance of metric-only labeling of E

[USMA:49372] Your article -- Taking the measure of metric

2010-12-31 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Peter, I have just read and enjoyed your article, "Taking the measure of metric" that I read at http://pressrepublican.com/0205_columns/x879865848/Taking-the-measure-of-metric As I read a few thoughts came to my mind: Snow varies a lot in its density but, as a rule of thumb, some meteoro

[USMA:49371] American Football in Metres

2010-12-31 Thread Bill Hooper
The way John's suggests to convert American Football to metres is about the same as I have suggested privately to some of you (maybe a little bit to this list, I forget). Plus, I agree that there are more important things to change before we tackle American Football. One thing I would change in

[USMA:49369] Re: High speed rail error

2010-12-31 Thread John M. Steele
Since the train is electrically powered, I am not terribly disturbed by the use of the kilowatt-hour as a unit of energy.  Even the SI Brochure (reluctantly) accepts it for electrical energy.  I am baffled by some fool converting it to BTUs, which are customarily used only for thermal energy.  I

[USMA:49368] High speed rail error

2010-12-31 Thread Pat Naughtin
Dear Carleton, I think you will be interested in this train story at http://www.cahsrblog.com/2010/12/hsr-emissions-paper-was-wrong/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=hsr-emissions-paper-was-wrong where they say: Berkeley’s numbers are undone by a simple unit conversion error committed

[USMA:49367] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread John M. Steele
That would be a possibility.  Two 40 m lines, an unlabeled 45 m line at mid-field, rather like Canadian grid.  Give the chainsmen a 9 m chain for measuring first downs.  The field would be slightly shortened, 1.44 m, allowing more seating, and no big tearup.  Progress for a 1st down would be sho

[USMA:49366] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread Pat Naughtin
On 2011/01/01, at 01:44 , John M. Steele wrote: > Back to the "tradition." I understand why football would be hard to convert > to metric without changing the game. It is played on a grid that provides > ready measurement reference, and the 10 yd of forward progress for a first > down is rath

[USMA:49365] FYI & Happy New Year RE: RE: Reprints of Patrick Moore's Article

2010-12-31 Thread Brij Bhushan Vij
Metchly, sir: I thank you for your informative 'Metric Measurement in the 21st Century'. Interesting reading. I have passed a copy to my son, who works for MEDCO, Franklin Links. I shall be moving for some time to my younger son at East Brunswick during next week. I take the oppertunity to WISH

[USMA:49364] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread Michael Payne
I would warrant that the term m gallons refers to the roman numeral M meaning one thousand, some innumerate journalist got hold of this and figured it must mean metric being as it refers to a nice round number. Don't know if I'm correct, but C woould be Century and M Millennium. Mike Payne On 3

[USMA:49363] RE: Reprints of Patrick Moore's Article

2010-12-31 Thread mechtly
Thanks Carleton for your note of Packet received. I hope you can even persuade your neighbors at NIST in Gaithersburg, MD to be more active in promoting SI. What happened to the initiative to amend the FPLA to *permit* metric-only labeling? Has it stalled in DoÇ? Gene. Original message -

[USMA:49362] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread Martin Vlietstra
My gas bill (in the United Kingdom) has a field to tell me whether the meter readings are in m³ or ft³. The computer does the rest. _ From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of John M. Steele Sent: 31 December 2010 13:59 To: U.S. Metric Association S

[USMA:49361] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread Ressel, Howard (DOT)
Maybe so but I don't think that will haven here for many generations. From: Martin Vlietstra [mailto:vliets...@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 11:44 AM To: Ressel, Howard (DOT); 'U.S. Metric Association' Subject: RE: [USMA:49357] Re: metric gallon Hi Howard, I tried Googling "Go

[USMA:49360] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread Martin Vlietstra
Hi Howard, I tried Googling “Golf site:.es” or “Golf site:.za” and looked at a sample of Spanish and South African courses. There were 100% metric! _ From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of Ressel, Howard (DOT) Sent: 31 December 2010 15:40 To

[USMA:49359] Happy NY

2010-12-31 Thread Ressel, Howard (DOT)
Happy New Year to all. May 2011 be metrically magical for you.

[USMA:49358] RE: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread a-bruiexjr
Has any one tried contacting the aurthors/reporters? Also if you did a search on the site this publication seems to like using the gallon for some reason, in New Foundland. Id put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we dont have to wait til oil and coal run out

[USMA:49357] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread Ressel, Howard (DOT)
I cannot imagine a game that is so steeped in tradition, such as golf or football ever giving up the term “yards”. I was not suggesting the statistics and official field measure could not be metricated but I highly doubt any player or fan will call it something other than yards. Can you imagin

[USMA:49356] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread John M. Steele
Back to the "tradition."  I understand why football would be hard to convert to metric without changing the game.  It is played on a grid that provides ready measurement reference, and the 10 yd of forward progress for a first down is rather fundamental to the game play.  I can see ways to chang

[USMA:49355] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread John Frewen-Lord
Don't forget also that I believe this situation regarding 'metric' gallons occurred in Newfoundland (the article makes reference to Gander). Nfld only joined Conferation in 1949, and there are some there who still don't accept that and feel that they were somehow 'sold out'. And while the resi

[USMA:49354] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread John M. Steele
I agree on the tradition. On the economics, there are examples of modifying billing software to include a "meter constant" which can correct for errors of individual meters and/or change the unit of measuring from reading units to billing units.  My gas company recently changed their billing u

[USMA:49353] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread Ressel, Howard (DOT)
Canadians measuring in gallons is probably one of two things: Tradition: It is going to take years to wean even the most metrically minded country off of non metric units Even if we went 100% metric tomorrow certain things will be referenced in WOMBAT for years, if not generations to come. Lik

[USMA:49352] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread John M. Steele
There is no metric gallon.  It would be absurd to pay $1.80 per (metric) gallon when last year you paid $1.60 per thousand gallons.  Is it not obvious that this is an error by a stupid reporter or editor? I do wonder why metric Canadians are metering water in gallons.  I would tout new pricing

[USMA:49351] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread John M. Steele
I only distinguish between inches when I am being pedantic, or when the writer is clear that he means a different inch; otherwise inches are just a code word for 25.4 mm.  For historical work, the difference (for US, UK, Commonwealth inches) is too small to matter, and historically measurement a

[USMA:49350] RE: USDA National Nutrient Database

2010-12-31 Thread Martin Vlietstra
The need for diacritics can be shown by my school experience (in South Africa). My secondary school (12-17 years olds) taught both English and Afrikaans speaking children (separate classes) and was known as Estcourt High School/Estcourt Hoër Skool. The teachers went to great lengths to remind the

[USMA:49349] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread Stan Doore
Why not just use 4 Litres (4 L) rather than metric gallon. It’s much easier to use, it’s very clear and less confusing, and it’s standard. Stan Doore From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of John M. Steele Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 6:29 PM To:

[USMA:49348] Re: metric gallon

2010-12-31 Thread John Frewen-Lord
Being that this is a Canadian article, I would hazard a guess that it is 4 L - but that is a guess. The reason I suggest 4 L is that windshield washer fluid, paint and some other liquid products are sold in 4 L containers, and these have been known to be colloquially referred to as a metric gal