Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Anthony Campbell
Having recently rather unexpectedly found myself back on this list after being unable to get on it for several years, I seem to see a difference in emphasis. Most people who post here appear to be programmers, whereas previously there were other kinds of users as well. Nothing wrong with that, of c

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Marc Weber
Hi Anthony, Asking such general questions doesn't make sense in practise. (IMHO). If you want to get a job done and if you want to know whether Vim is a great tool to get the job done than ask how to setup Vim to assist you. See :h design-not Follow Bram's advice: Watch yourself. Try to find ou

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 01 Jan 2010, Marc Weber wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > Asking such general questions doesn't make sense in practise. (IMHO). > I must have phrased this badly. I was just wondering what other people's experience was and if there were others who were using vim for general writing and editing. More ou

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Tim Chase
> Searching the web for people's views on writing methods I > found a number who said that one should use vim for > programming but emacs for other kinds of writing. So I had a > look at emacs out of curiosity but couldn't see any real > advantage for me in learning it. Am I missing something here?

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Geir Isene
On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:50:17AM -0600, Tim Chase scribed: > > Searching the web for people's views on writing methods I > > found a number who said that one should use vim for > > programming but emacs for other kinds of writing. So I had a > > look at emacs out of curiosity but couldn't see any

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Stahlman Family
Anthony Campbell wrote: > Having recently rather unexpectedly found myself back on this list after > being unable to get on it for several years, I seem to see a difference > in emphasis. Most people who post here appear to be programmers, > whereas previously there were other kinds of users as w

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Chris Jones
On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:14:56AM EST, Anthony Campbell wrote: > Having recently rather unexpectedly found myself back on this list > after being unable to get on it for several years, There have been reports on the list of individuals who had unsbscribed from v...@vim.org years ago and all of

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Chris Jones
On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 09:34:02AM EST, Geir Isene wrote: [..] > I use vim for almost anything - including writing in forms on the web > (via the firefox plugin ItsAllText). I write books, esseys, articles > and all my e-mail in vim (I use Mutt as the mail client). I am almost > twice as effectiv

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Christoph Buck
2010/1/1 Tim Chase : >> Searching the web for people's views on writing methods I >> found a number who said that one should use vim for >> programming but emacs for other kinds of writing. So I had a >> look at emacs out of curiosity but couldn't see any real >> advantage for me in learning it. Am

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Jan-Herbert Damm
Hello, Chris Jones wrote on 01.01.10: > In days of yore, in every trade, the apprentice would benefit by the > enlightening guidance of the masters - plenty kicks in the pants, I would > imagine, but now with computer skills, it's everyone for himself wasting > their time reinventing and despite

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread NickC
For me, vim has taken over, it's pervasive because it's so useful. So much so that I get frustrated when I press, say, dd in an app and find it didn't delete the line. Stupid brain-dead app, I think to myself, when it's my fault of course. I use vimperator plugin for Opera browser, which give

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Tim Chase
NickC wrote: > For me, vim has taken over, it's pervasive because it's so useful. So > much so that I get frustrated when I press, say, dd in an app and find it > didn't delete the line. Stupid brain-dead app, I think to myself, when > it's my fault of course. For me, I find myself muttering

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Tim Chase
Chris Jones wrote: > Any tips forthcoming - or a nice 3-page tutorial if you could > spare the time. > > I am not kidding, actually.. this is the kind of stuff you > can't get for love or money. > > In days of yore, in every trade, the apprentice would benefit > by the enlightening guidance of t

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-01 Thread Reid Thompson
Chris Jones wrote: > Any tips forthcoming - or a nice 3-page tutorial if you could spare the > time. > > I am not kidding, actually.. this is the kind of stuff you can't get > for love or money. > > In days of yore, in every trade, the apprentice would benefit by the > enlightening guidance of

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-02 Thread Anthony Campbell
Thanks to all who replied to this thread. It's good to know that others use vim much as I do. Some useful suggestions have come up. I already use (g)vim as my default editor for mutt but I'll look into LatexSuite and txtfmt. A principal grouse of people who prefer other editors is that vim is moda

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-02 Thread Shawn H Corey
NickC wrote: > For me, vim has taken over, it's pervasive because it's so useful. So > much so that I get frustrated when I press, say, dd in an app and find it > didn't delete the line. Stupid brain-dead app, I think to myself, when > it's my fault of course. I know the feeling. When I used

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-01-03 Thread Ben Fritz
On Jan 2, 4:39 am, Anthony Campbell wrote: > A principal grouse of people who prefer other editors is that vim is > modal. This doesn't actually bother me, I like Vim in part *because* it is modal. I have trouble in non-modal editors learning all the keyboard shortcuts partially because it is u

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-06 Thread Tony Mechelynck
On 01/01/10 13:14, Anthony Campbell wrote: Having recently rather unexpectedly found myself back on this list after being unable to get on it for several years, I seem to see a difference in emphasis. Most people who post here appear to be programmers, whereas previously there were other kinds of

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-07 Thread Dotan Cohen
On 6 March 2010 23:23, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > On 01/01/10 13:14, Anthony Campbell wrote: >> >> Having recently rather unexpectedly found myself back on this list after >> being unable to get on it for several years, I seem to see a difference >> in emphasis. Most people who post here appear to b

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-07 Thread Olivier Guéry
I’m not a programmer, and I use vim. But I must admit that writing « dense » text is sometime hard on vim, and I switch to pyroom (a darkroom-like for linux). The thing who helped me is the « linespace » option, which permit to add space beetween lines and made a huge text more readable. Other « p

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-07 Thread Tony Mechelynck
On 07/03/10 20:25, Olivier Guéry wrote: I’m not a programmer, and I use vim. But I must admit that writing « dense » text is sometime hard on vim, and I switch to pyroom (a darkroom-like for linux). The thing who helped me is the « linespace » option, which permit to add space beetween lines and

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-07 Thread Olivier Guéry
I’m not a programmer, and I use vim. But I must admit that writing « dense » text is sometime hard on vim, and I switch to pyroom (a darkroom-like for linux). The thing who helped me is the « linespace » option, which permit to add space beetween lines and made a huge text more readable. Other « p

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-07 Thread Olivier Guéry
On Mar 7, 9:37 pm, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > On 07/03/10 20:25, Olivier Gu ry wrote: > > Last, I realy miss a proportionnal font. Whatever one say, a clean > > proportionnal font, with ligatures, is great for writing. If gvim > > could use pango or wathever I ll be realy happy ! (I saw that it s

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-07 Thread Olivier Guéry
On Mar 7, 9:37 pm, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > On 07/03/10 20:25, Olivier Gu ry wrote: > > Last, I realy miss a proportionnal font. Whatever one say, a clean > > proportionnal font, with ligatures, is great for writing. If gvim > > could use pango or wathever I ll be realy happy ! (I saw that it s

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-07 Thread Tony Mechelynck
On 07/03/10 21:53, Olivier Guéry wrote: On Mar 7, 9:37 pm, Tony Mechelynck wrote: On 07/03/10 20:25, Olivier Gu ry wrote: Last, I realy miss a proportionnal font. Whatever one say, a clean proportionnal font, with ligatures, is great for writing. If gvim could use pango or wathever I ll be re

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-07 Thread Olivier Guéry
On Mar 7, 10:45 pm, Tony Mechelynck wrote: > On 07/03/10 21:53, Olivier Guéry wrote: > See also the last item at ":help design-not". If you want a fancy > WYSIWYG open-source text processor with proportional fonts, > justification and what-not, don't use Vim, use oowriter. I’ll shure do this, i

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-07 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2010-03-07 14:05 (-0800), Olivier Guéry wrote: > [...] if only I could find any editor with this kind of text > navigation / modification that vim have. The entire Vim can't be reproduced elsewhere but there might still be some choices for you. (1) Emacs has a built-in Vi editor (viper-mode).

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
2010/3/8 Olivier Guéry : > > > On Mar 7, 10:45 pm, Tony Mechelynck > wrote: >> On 07/03/10 21:53, Olivier Guéry wrote: >> See also the last item at ":help design-not". If you want a fancy >> WYSIWYG open-source text processor with proportional fonts, >> justification and what-not, don't use Vim, u

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-08 Thread Dotan Cohen
> Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor, has a VI mode and supports > proportional fonts! To get the feature in Koffice, please comment in > support of this feature request: > > VI mode, like Kate has > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=219889 > The same feature request, for Open Office: http://ww

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-10 Thread Olivier Guéry
On Mar 8, 10:14 pm, Dotan Cohen wrote: with it. Waiting for an editor to be the on of my dreams ! > > Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor, has a VI mode and supports > proportional fonts! To get the feature in Koffice, please comment in > support of this feature request: > > VI mode, like Kate ha

Re: Is vim just for programmers?

2010-03-10 Thread Reid Thompson
On Wed, 2010-03-10 at 12:23 -0800, Olivier Guéry wrote: > > On Mar 8, 10:14 pm, Dotan Cohen wrote: > with it. Waiting for an editor to be the on of my dreams ! > > > > Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor, has a VI mode and supports > > proportional fonts! To get the feature in Koffice, please comm