IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-21 Thread Derek Morton
Hello all. For quite some time now I have been trying to get my IIci running off an SSD, but to no avail. The first attempt involved a 128 MB Quantum Rushmore drive and while the drive was recognized and did work, it only worked for a short time (minutes not hours or days). It seems that ther

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-21 Thread J. Alexander Jacocks
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Derek Morton wrote: > For quite some time now I have been trying to get my IIci running off an SSD, > but to no avail.  The first attempt involved a 128 MB Quantum Rushmore drive > and while the drive was recognized and did work, it only worked for a short > tim

RE: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-21 Thread Wesley Furr
Personally, I would just try it with an IDE Compactflash adapter and card...pretty cheap and you can get cards of just a few Gb (or less). Does anyone have source for cheap SCSI to IDE adapters? I'd love to play around with the same (probably on an LCII)...but can't find an adapter with a price t

RE: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-21 Thread Britt Dodd
Those cards are insane. I'd love to get my 6100 working but there's no way I can justify 200 for a SCSI to ide card On Jul 21, 2011 7:30 PM, "Wesley Furr" wrote: > Personally, I would just try it with an IDE Compactflash adapter and > card...pretty cheap and you can get cards of just a few Gb (or

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-21 Thread J. Alexander Jacocks
On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Britt Dodd wrote: > Those cards are insane. I'd love to get my 6100 working but there's no way I > can justify 200 for a SCSI to ide card I've acquired my cards over time. The only card that I spent significant money on are my 2.5" SCSI-IDE and 2.5" SCSI-CF adap

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-22 Thread Derek Morton
On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:41 AM, J. Alexander Jacocks wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Derek Morton wrote: >> For quite some time now I have been trying to get my IIci running off an >> SSD, but to no avail. The first attempt involved a 128 MB Quantum Rushmore >> drive and while the driv

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-22 Thread Derek Morton
On Jul 21, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Wesley Furr wrote: > Personally, I would just try it with an IDE Compactflash adapter and > card...pretty cheap and you can get cards of just a few Gb (or less). > > Does anyone have source for cheap SCSI to IDE adapters? I'd love to play > around with the same (pro

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-22 Thread Derek Morton
On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:52 PM, Britt Dodd wrote: > Those cards are insane. I'd love to get my 6100 working but there's no way I > can justify 200 for a SCSI to ide card Why not just use a regular SCSI drive? I haven't looked recently, but I expect there are tons of them on eBay and at your loca

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-22 Thread Derek Morton
On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:54 PM, J. Alexander Jacocks wrote: > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Britt Dodd wrote: >> Those cards are insane. I'd love to get my 6100 working but there's no way I >> can justify 200 for a SCSI to ide card > > I've acquired my cards over time. The only card that I sp

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-22 Thread Jason Galarneau
Artmix.com (Japanese site) sells both a 2.5" and 3.5" to SCSI to CF adapter. A little expensive @ $99, but I'm so tired if messing around with unreliable old SCSI drives. I bought a couple and should have them soon. I'll post a review if anyone is interested. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-22 Thread J. Alexander Jacocks
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Jason Galarneau wrote: > Artmix.com (Japanese site) sells both a 2.5" and 3.5" to SCSI to CF adapter. > > A little expensive @ $99, but I'm so tired if messing around with unreliable > old SCSI drives. I bought a couple and should have them soon. I'll post a > re

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-22 Thread Andy Stocker
My iici boots off an 8gig Lexar CF card. I used a nubus jackhammer card with an acard scsi -> IDE adapter and cf adapter. The acard adapter doesn't seem to like UDMA cf cards though Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2011, at 6:58 AM, Derek Morton wrote: Hello all. For quite some time now

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-22 Thread Derek Morton
A... Yes... If you "bypass" the internal SCSI everything works fine. The problem I have had is using the internal SCSI bus. I really did not want to use a NuBus card for a SCSI card. I am wondering if I should try to use a different Rushmore drive... Perhaps there was just a funky issu

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-22 Thread Andy Stocker
The same cf card also works with a mystery brand scsi to IDE adapter I bought on eBay, using the iici's onboard scsi. I just use the ultra wide acard adapter and jackhammer because they're faster Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:44 AM, Derek Morton wrote: A... Yes... If yo

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-22 Thread Derek Morton
On Jul 22, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Andy Stocker wrote: > The same cf card also works with a mystery brand scsi to IDE adapter I bought > on eBay, using the iici's onboard scsi. I just use the ultra wide acard > adapter and jackhammer because they're faster > > Sent from my iPhone Really?!?! I ha

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-22 Thread Andy Stocker
The reason for the speed difference has more to do with the 2 scsi-IDE adapters I have. The acard is ultra-wide 68 pin (hence the need for the jackhammer), while the mystery brand adapter is...SCSI 1. The iici's onboard scsi may be faster than the jackhammer, but my 50 pin scsi-IDE adapte

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-24 Thread Jeff Walther
Britt Dodd wrote: > On Jul 21, 2011 7:30 PM, "Wesley Furr" wrote: > > > Personally, I would just try it with an IDE Compactflash adapter and > > > card...pretty cheap and you can get cards of just a few Gb (or less). > > > > > Does anyone have source for cheap SCSI to IDE adapters? > > > > I have

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-24 Thread Britt Dodd
> > Just a few years ago they were available for ~$40. Apparently the > huge supply dried up. > > By the way, Britt, see the message above? See how the quoted text is > trimmed? See how there's no sign of the list footer quoted? See how > the thread of the message flows downward in the order

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-25 Thread Derek Morton
A... That is reasonable. I (finally) was able to get some numbers for the IIfx... Using MacBench 2: Stock IIfx set to 100% DayStar NuBus RAMDrive : 436% Quantum Rushmore (built-in SCSI) : 335% Quantum Rushmore (JackHammer 16bit) : 279% Have you tried running the ultra-wide SCSI-IDE adapte

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-26 Thread Gregg Eshelman
One way to improve performance on the built in SCSI is with software RAID 0 striping. FWB Hard Disk Toolkit could do it. Apple had their own software RAID but I think it was PPC only. It works best when all the drives are identical. One slow drive can drag the whole array down to its speed. I wa

Re: IIci vs. SSD

2011-07-26 Thread Derek Morton
If memory serves, RAID-0 offers improved performance only on a PPC, not a 68K... I believe it deals with the CPU performance hit associated with splitting / merging the data. The 68K machines are really limited in their ability to move data. The more CPU power, the faster you can move the dat

Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-24 Thread Joshua Juran
On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Walther wrote: By the way, see the message above? See how the quoted text is trimmed? See how there's no sign of the list footer quoted? See how the thread of the message flows downward in the order that people read? This is how to post a readable message.

RE: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-24 Thread Wesley Furr
Well said... Back in the olden days, that's the way it was. Nowadays I've gotten used to top-posting, and I'll proudly stand up and say I personally prefer it that way...but only if the message has been cleaned up. For me, I usually already know what the thread is about by the subject...if I've

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-24 Thread Michael Mulhern
Josh, I'm with you. Having used "email" since 2BM (Before Macs) I've managed to go with the flow. Comments on trimming (blah blah blah) may have been more appropriate in a slower (connectivity) era, but today's email clients are not amicable to this. Personally, I have no problem reading emails

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-24 Thread Britt Dodd
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Wesley Furr wrote: > Well said...  Back in the olden days, that's the way it was.  Nowadays I've > gotten used to top-posting, and I'll proudly stand up and say I personally > prefer it that way...but only if the message has been cleaned up.  For me, I > usually al

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-24 Thread Britt Dodd
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Wesley Furr wrote: > Well said... Back in the olden days, that's the way it was. Nowadays I've > gotten used to top-posting, and I'll proudly stand up and say I personally > prefer it that way...but only if the message has been cleaned up. For me, I > usually al

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-24 Thread J. Alexander Jacocks
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Britt Dodd wrote: > Now back on the topic, if there is a place that sells these guys for a > decent price I'd love to know. I've never found a reliable regular location for SCSI-IDE adapters. I just generally keep a search going on eBay, and skim any good deals.

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-25 Thread Jeff Walther
On Jul 24, 5:42 pm, Joshua Juran wrote: > On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Jeff Walther wrote: > > > By the way, see the message above?  See  how the quoted text is > > trimmed?  See how there's no sign of the list footer quoted?  See how > > the thread of the message flows downward in the order th

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-25 Thread Nate Raymond
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Jeff Walther wrote: > On Jul 24, 5:42 pm, Joshua Juran wrote: > > If you really want people to stop top-posting, get Google, Apple, and > > whoever else to fix their email clients. > > As long as there are folks who consider it their right to be > inconsiderate,

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-25 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Jeff Walther wrote: > On Jul 24, 5:42 pm, Joshua Juran wrote: >> If you really want people to stop top-posting, get Google, Apple, and >> whoever else to fix their email clients. > > As long as there are folks who consider it their right to be > inconsiderate, th

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-25 Thread Britt Dodd
> I was a very early gmail user, long, long before it was released, > while invitations came five at a time, at most.  I filed the bug for > positioning for topposting. > > The bug was acknowledged, but, obviously, never fixed :( > > -- > Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. > I am also a long-time Gmail user

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-25 Thread Derek Morton
Let's be clear... There is no LEM netiquette rule requiring (or even suggesting) bottom posting. There have been numerous discussions on the subject the result of which is that it is up to the individual to decide which method to use. As one who even did a little messaging from Argonne (East)

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-25 Thread Todd Brayer
Incidentally, some other mac mailing lists that *do* have strict netiquette requirements are lists that me and a number of other people have stopped posting on, because it's far too much of a hassle to get harassed for every single posting (I think the iMac list even refuses to send your messages).

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-25 Thread Jim Howard
Sorry, new to the group, joined to solve a very specific problem. No idea if any of what Todd and Derek are saying is addressed to me. If so, I don't understand it and wouldn't know bottom-posting from top-fermenting. If not, sorry again. On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Todd Brayer wrote:

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-25 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 7:07 PM, Jim Howard wrote: > Sorry, new to the group, joined to solve a very specific problem.  No idea > if any of what Todd and Derek are saying is addressed to me.  If so, I don't > understand it and wouldn't know bottom-posting from top-fermenting.  If not, > sorry agai

Re: Email netiquette (Re: IIci vs. SSD)

2011-07-25 Thread Tyrone L. Warbasse
In the many years I've been read or replying to this group's e-mails, this's the first time anybody has made a stink like this. While I understand the reason why, I also see no reason for the why. It's like this kid I knew in high school: his pet peeve was the sound silverware makes when hitting te