Apple Glass and iPhone 12 Rumors, iOS 13.5 Update, and More!

2020-05-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
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RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

2020-05-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
It doesn't really have to be, it's not meant to be as much an app you use all the time but an app which keeps track of where you have been and with whom you have had close contact. This way if somebody who uses the app also is found to have COVID-19, health authorities can check his phone and,

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

2020-05-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybody should write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE:

RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

2020-05-22 Thread Mich Verrier
I wonder if this app will be accessible? From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: May 22, 2020 11:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Covid and iOS 13.5? Ottawa says they will have more to say about an app soon, the

RE: wish list in the audible app

2020-05-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Today's Audible update finally changed the experience for me here in Canada and it now behaves like you all described with the new library look, having the remove option as part of an action menu etc. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of lenron brown Sent:

RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

2020-05-22 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Ottawa says they will have more to say about an app soon, the hope is that while Alberta has already started using an app, all of Canada would use the same app in order to make it as effective as it can be. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mich Verrier

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

2020-05-22 Thread Alan Lemly
Christopher, I'm also liking what I'm experiencing with the Outlook app. I'll know more tomorrow when I process my first batch of new Inbox messages on the iPhone using Outlook. Alan From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of chalt...@gmail.com

Re: App Store Not Saying Updates Available

2020-05-22 Thread Marie
Check to see if automatic updates is on. Sometimes these settings just get changed when the IOS updates are installed. From: Mike B. Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:37 PM To: viPhone Subject: App Store Not Saying Updates Available Hi All, With my new SE 2020 I noticed that when there's

RE: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread sarai.bucciarelli
There is no add to cart. You add to order. Then orders I believe in on bottom left. Double tap that and you can then check out. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Lois Butterfield Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:24 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re:

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

2020-05-22 Thread chaltain
I’m pretty happy with the Outlook app, but I’m still trying to get the hang od dealing with specific messages within a thread, but this is also the current issue with the native mail app, so I’m still using the Outlook app right now as my primary email app. I’m just not using my iPhone for

Re: App Store Not Saying Updates Available

2020-05-22 Thread Mike B.
I went into the iTunes & App Store settings on my old SE phone and changed the settings on the new SE 2020 phone to match. Under the heading, automatic downloads I now have Music, Apps and App updates set to, Off. Under the cellular data heading, I now have automatic downloads turned, On, for

Re: recording on the computer; audio from an iPhone.

2020-05-22 Thread l . d . ethier23
It's and application who give the possibility to share your screan and sound of your iPhone to your PC. It's only 7$ Ca for full version. https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/mirror-to-mac-or-windows-pc/id1350663974?l=fr Lyne > Le 22 mai 2020 à 21:18, Richard Turner a écrit : > >  What is Mirror

Re: App Store Not Saying Updates Available

2020-05-22 Thread l . d . ethier23
Hello, Maybe your update turned off since last IOS update... Go to settings/your name/iTune store and appstore/update and see if it's selected or not Lyne > Le 22 mai 2020 à 21:37, Mike B. a écrit : > >  > Hi All, > > With my new SE 2020 I noticed that when there's available updates

App Store Not Saying Updates Available

2020-05-22 Thread Mike B.
Hi All, With my new SE 2020 I noticed that when there's available updates voiceover is not reporting there are updates when I touch the App Store icon on the Home Screen. I have the App store turned on in Notifications and in Siri suggestions. What am I missing? How do I get Voiceover to

Re: Accessing zoom breakout rooms with voiceover on an iPhone

2020-05-22 Thread Deb Cook Lewis
Depending on how the host creates the breakout rooms will determine whether or not you have to do anything. But the doing is minimal regardless. On your other problem, go into the Zoom settings and turn off the audio indication and also displaying when people come. My Iphone is completely silent

Re: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread Andy Baracco
You shouldn't have to. I only signed in once when I set up the account. Andy - Original Message - From: "Kathy Brandt" To: Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:20 PM Subject: Re: Door dash Asking again: does anyone have to sign in each time they open the app? Friends of mine don’t have

Re: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread Kathy Brandt
I discovered that when I can’t immediately find the cart, that if I start on the lower right hand corner and flip backwards, I come across what I think says card info, that you double tap on, flick through, and then you can check out. I’d have to set up a fake order in order to tell you exactly

Re: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread John Panarese
I don’t have to. It signs me in each time. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS

Re: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread Kathy Brandt
Asking again: does anyone have to sign in each time they open the app? Friends of mine don’t have to, and I can’t figure out why they don’t have to when I do. Thank you. > On May 22, 2020, at 6:27 PM, Lois Butterfield > wrote: > > Hi all, > > Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in

Re: recording on the computer; audio from an iPhone.

2020-05-22 Thread Richard Turner
What is Mirror Mac? Richard Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good." Sent with the iPhone SE 2020 www.turner42.com On May 22, 2020, at 4:49 PM, "l.d.ethie...@gmail.com" wrote: You can use miror mac to pc from

Re: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread Lois Butterfield
OK, I figured it out. It is the restaurant that is acting differently. Apparently, it’s no longer part of it or something. Glad there’s nothing wrong with the app, because I liked it. Thanks all for your responses. Take care, Lois Sent from my iPhone > On May 22, 2020, at 6:29 PM, John

Re: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread MamaPeach
I meant add to order, not add to cart. -Original Message- From: John Panarese Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 8:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Door dash There wouldn’t be an add to cart. You add to order and then it will verify your total order. There will eventually be a

Re: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread John Panarese
There wouldn’t be an add to cart. You add to order and then it will verify your total order. There will eventually be a screen that will enable you to place the order. I just did this with a local pizza place and ordered three meals for my family. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for

Re: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread Lois Butterfield
So, I opened the app and went to the restaurant I wanted. I found the food, and there was an add to order button on the bottom right. There was no add to cart or any cart that I saw. If I went back, it just took me out from the restaurant I wanted. My husband didn’t see anything helpful either.

Re: recording on the computer; audio from an iPhone.

2020-05-22 Thread l . d . ethier23
You can use miror mac to pc from your iPhone. Lyne > Le 22 mai 2020 à 18:46, Anna Dresner a écrit : > > Hello Curtis, > > If you have access to a Mac, you can have it convert to audio using the voice > you choose. If not, I think all you can do is connect your phone to your > computer with

Re: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread MamaPeach
Once I add all I want to the cart, there is a button at the bottom of the page with the name of the restaurant and how many items I have added to the cart. I just tap there to continue to check out. -Original Message- From: John Panarese Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:29 PM To:

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

2020-05-22 Thread Les Kriegler
Hi Alan, Well, I’ve had no focus issues which is the reason I’m using Outlook at this point. I’d like to mail app but I really have grown very tired of the focus issues that have lasted for several months. I hope it works out for you when you try it. Get Outlook for iOS

Re: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread MamaPeach
I used it earlier today to order breakfast from Hardee's. I had no trouble with it. -Original Message- From: Lois Butterfield Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Door dash Hi all, Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without

Re: recording on the computer; audio from an iPhone.

2020-05-22 Thread Anna Dresner
Hello Curtis, If you have access to a Mac, you can have it convert to audio using the voice you choose. If not, I think all you can do is connect your phone to your computer with a patch cord and record it that way. Best, Anna > On May 22, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote: > > How

Re: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread Andy Baracco
I use it often but I haven't used it today. There are usually no issues as far as accessibility is concerned. It is by far the easiest of any of them to use. Andy - Original Message - From: "John Panarese" To: "'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone" Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 3:29 PM

Re: Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread John Panarese
It is working here. I’ve been using it for a few weeks now. You should get to a screen that is your cart, and then you can place your order. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE

Re: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

2020-05-22 Thread Holly
I understand now. I am loving my new SE. Just getting everything fine tuned. Appreciate all suggestions. Thanks, Holly -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that

Door dash

2020-05-22 Thread Lois Butterfield
Hi all, Is the door dash app broken? I have used it in the past without problems, but I couldn’t figure it out today. I found the add to order button but couldn’t figure out how to get the order placed. If there is a way to do it, I plan to order dinner tomorrow. Thanks for any ideas. Take

Re: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

2020-05-22 Thread Richard Turner
I'm not Alan, but yes if you do not have unlimited data. If you have unlimited data, it is fine. If your WiFi signal is weak, if wifi assist is on, it will switch to using cellular, and if you happen to be streaming a movie, that can eat a lot of data. I pay by the gig, so I make sure that is

Re: Accessing zoom breakout rooms with voiceover on an iPhone

2020-05-22 Thread Mary Otten
OK. Thanks for the responses. I guess I will just see how it goes. MaryOK. Thanks for the responses. I guess I will just see how it goes. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On May 22, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Wayne Merritt wrote: > > Mary, > Speaking generally, only the meeting's host can manage and assign

RE: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

2020-05-22 Thread Alan Lemly
Holly, I say that if you don't have unlimited cellular data and your wifi connection isn't always rock solid, you might consider turning off wifi assist in order to avoid the surprise of some of your cellular data being used when your wifi signal is weak and you might be unaware cellular

Re: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

2020-05-22 Thread Holly
Alan: You say ‘wi-fi assist’ should be turned off? -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or

Re: Accessing zoom breakout rooms with voiceover on an iPhone

2020-05-22 Thread Joy Cyr
I've attended two meetings where break out rooms wer eused. Perhaps it has something to do with how the host handles the set up, in one meeting I did indeed need to do nothing. In the other Voice over read out that I had been assigned to break out room one and had to tap the button to join

recording on the computer; audio from an iPhone.

2020-05-22 Thread Curtis Delzer
How would you do it? Is there any other way than direct audio connecting? I got a serious request to record Alex reading Michael's book, and as most of you know he is a high quality voice from IOS and Apple. I have to record it on the computer because it is the only way to make my DAISY marked

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

2020-05-22 Thread Alan Lemly
Hi Les, Thanks for the Outlook suggestion. I'm trying it now and it seems to be working very well. I just have to get used to its differing terminology. I like that the native Mail app references All mail when you want to see everything and Outlook uses Archive for its terminology the best

RE: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

2020-05-22 Thread Alan Lemly
Hi Dennis, I think the main one I recommended checking was Wifi assist because not everyone has unlimited cellular data plans and therefore don't want to run the risk of using their cellular data when they believe they are only using wifi. You can find this under Settings, Cellular, find

Re: Accessing zoom breakout rooms with voiceover on an iPhone

2020-05-22 Thread Wayne Merritt
Mary, Speaking generally, only the meeting's host can manage and assign people to break out rooms. If you are a co-host, you do not have the ability. I have been using Zoom a lot for work, and this week we've been doing a lot of the break out rooms. I haven't done it on the iPhone, and probably

Accessing zoom breakout rooms with voiceover on an iPhone

2020-05-22 Thread Mary Otten
My zoom experience has been quite limited. I get a link in an email, double tap on it, and get into the zoom meeting. And I turn speech off, so I don’t hear voice over chattering about who joined, left, and what they’re typing into the chat box. That’s all very nice, as long as there is

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

2020-05-22 Thread Carolyn
I'm with you though, Lynn. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn White Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

2020-05-22 Thread Lynn White
No. Bombing any server is a rotten idea. That is a very negative action and is likely not to receive a positive reaction. I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this. But whenever I hear that someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled brats wanting their way using

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

2020-05-22 Thread Davy Cuppens
BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on! You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2 or 3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resigned people others will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to do so and other

Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

2020-05-22 Thread Les Kriegler
Hi Alan, Well, I’ve been using Outlook for the past couple of weeks. I’ve given up on Apple fixing the mail issues and I’ve gone to Outlook instead. It does seem to be working much better. With the Mail app, I could go through messages OK but once I open the message and came out of it, then

RE: One more quick question re new SE

2020-05-22 Thread Carolyn
For me, that's good. I never really knew what it was or how to use it for what purpose. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon A Fogarty Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 5:23 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: One more

RE: One more quick question re new SE

2020-05-22 Thread Carolyn
It makes sense that the side press would be convenient. I never heard of it, so never tried it, when I had a phone with a Home Button. I haven't gone to Assistive Touch and put it on, I'm used to going up screen for Home Page. I prepared before getting this phone. A lady on another list sends

RE: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon

2020-05-22 Thread Carolyn
It is interesting to know, thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Harris Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon Ok, so basically,

Re: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver

2020-05-22 Thread Mike B.
Hi Marie & All, Thank you very much for your asisstance, I now have it downloaded. And thank you Dennis for sending it to me. Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee it cleans the toilet. - Original Message

RE: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

2020-05-22 Thread Dennis Long
Alan what settings did you advise you go back and check? From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alan Lemly Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:39 PM To: 'VIPhone Email List' Subject: Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step I am reposting the below at the request of Vivian.

RE: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon

2020-05-22 Thread Dennis Long
Please keep us informed of the things you can do by doing this. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Justin Harris Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 6:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon Simon Simon, you are right

Re: Covid and iOS 13.5?

2020-05-22 Thread Jenifer Barr
Haha. Thanks. Yeah I got a notification that I didn't have a compatible app. lol. Just wanted to see what it was all about. Oh well. Bye bye apple covid app!! Sent from my iPhone > On May 22, 2020, at 12:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > > This feature really only makes sense in countries

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

2020-05-22 Thread Alan Lemly
Christopher, I'd be curious as to your take on the Outlook app versus the native Mail app. I didn't have much luck with the Outlook app when I first looked at it but that's been a number of years ago. I received one of those generic replies from Apple Accessibility about the native Mail

RE: recovering a note that was just deleted

2020-05-22 Thread Richard Turner
If this is on an iPhone or iPad, if there is a folders back button in the upper left, tap on it until you get to the list of all folders. There is a recently deleted folder. It keeps them for 30 days. Touch the one you want to recover, flick down to Move note, double tap, go back to all folders

Re: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver

2020-05-22 Thread Alan Lemly
Mike, I'm attempting to share the David Woodbridge SE 2020 podcast from the Overcast app but I have no clue whether it will work. Here it is: https://overcast.fm/+LUe-nBPtg Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2020, at 10:32 PM, Mike B. wrote: > >  > This link didn't work for me,

Re: recovering a note that was just deleted

2020-05-22 Thread John Panarese
There should be a recently deleted folder when you double tap on the, folders Mac, button. I think that keeps notes up to 30 days that were deleted. I’m not sure if there are any specific requirements for this folder to show, though. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind

Re: Smart news app question

2020-05-22 Thread Isaac Hebert
You would need to write the app developer of smart news to request this feature. Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2020, at 8:08 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > I have been using the SmartNews app. And there is one thing that I find > really annoying. Sometimes, when you call up an article,

Re: wish list in the audible app

2020-05-22 Thread lenron brown
I thought it was just romance. Also yeah it's pretty accessible. I remember had onetime having issues with the achievements. Also I wish deleting was setup differently. Also I notice the app does look a little different these days. You know I am thinking that scrolling issue is more of an apple

Re: SE 2020 dual sim card?

2020-05-22 Thread lenron brown
your ESim is for your carrier and then your second number on the other sim. That's how I am thinking that would work. On 5/21/20, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > Yes, as far as I know you can assign different ringtones to your two > numbers. > > -Original Message- > From:

recovering a note that was just deleted

2020-05-22 Thread Dan
I was getting rid of a note I created to test something.  I clicked on the delete button and it went away.  However, it then said delete note again and I thought it was just confirming that I really wanted to delete the thing.  I clicked on delete note

RE: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver

2020-05-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I also got the same. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 3:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Demo and Review of the iPhone SE 2020 Using VoiceOver This link didn't work for me, got the 404 this webpage doesn't exist message no matter what

Re: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon

2020-05-22 Thread Justin Harris
Simon Simon, you are right on two of the three points. You can brick your phone if you don’t know what you are doing. But they have made it easier for the public to do this with no problem at all, so long as you follow the instructions. Also, yes, it does void your warrantee. However, you are

RE: SE 2020 dual sim card?

2020-05-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I believe you can yes, I know Nokia use to allow this so that you knew who was calling or which number was being rung. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: SE 2020

RE: transferring music

2020-05-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
I’m not sure why you would want to! The sound quality on the iPhone will be a lot better than that of the victor From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 1:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: transferring music Probably not without a

RE: One more quick question re new SE

2020-05-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi Marie, I’d just give up! LOL, I’m sure you haven’t been doing this for years with other phones you’ve had! Possibly people think you’ve had your fingers removed! From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Marie Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 12:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re:

RE: new jailbreak for iOS 13.5 expected soon

2020-05-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
It's an illegal way to remove protection from the OS and somewhat enable features that otherwise aren't currently available. It's also away of bricking your phone if you don't know what you're doing Oh and will kill any warranty on the phone if it's new enough. -Original Message- From:

RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

2020-05-22 Thread chaltain
For me, after writing to Apple accessibility, I’m giving the Outlook app a spin. It seems to handle threads better but I haven’t decided if I like it better over all or not. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Gmail From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020

RE: Covid and iOS 13.5?

2020-05-22 Thread Mich Verrier
Hi Jumpig in on this thred. I live in Ontario and did what you said and was told that it was not avlaible in my region. From Mich. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: May 21, 2020 11:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Covid

RE: One more quick question re new SE

2020-05-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty
Hi Marie, No phone now will have 3d touch, It didn’t really take off so they have done or are doing away with it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Marie Sent: Friday, 22 May 2020 4:51 AM To: VIPhone Subject: One more quick question re new SE I don’t believe I have heard it

Re: My SE 2020 Experience so far

2020-05-22 Thread Joshua Hendrickson
No it is not. Go into settings and look for the music setting, the EQ is in there. I forget if music is a setting on its own, or if you have to go into accessibility first before you find the music tab. On 5/22/20, martin wrote: > Hi: is this equalizer function only available in the new s e? >

RE: My SE 2020 Experience so far

2020-05-22 Thread martin
Hi: is this equalizer function only available in the new s e? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tali Sarnetzky Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 9:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Richard Turner Subject: Re: My SE 2020 Experience so far Well, I think that