Re: [Vo]: Re: Re Van de Graaf Antics

2007-01-27 Thread thomas malloy
I had planned set it on the scale with it sitting atop an aluminum foil sheet laying on a 3 inch thick Styrofoam plank and using a bank of D batteries feeding an inverter feeding the scale and VDG so it can "pump" electrons between the globe and the foil so that there wouldn't' be any net cha

Re: [Vo]: Re: Einstein's Elevator & Le Sage's Gravity Theory

2007-01-27 Thread Harry Veeder
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > Harry Veeder wrote: >> Consider the situation far from any planets or stars. >> >> If the ball-bearing is initially at the centre of the shell it will remain >> there. If it is initially off centre, the ball bearing and the shell will >> move so as to minimize t

[Vo]: C2C quest -> Charles Seife on parallel universes, etc.

2007-01-27 Thread Paul
Tonight on Coast To Coast AM (~10 million live listeners each night) --> Author & associate Prof. at NYU, Charles Seife, returns for a second consecutive weekend to discuss parallel universes & quantum science. Now there could not be more than one universe if the universe is all there is, lol,

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Paul
Michel Jullian wrote: > You insist, very aggressively, that my statement was incorrect even if I meant one electro-magnet. Well the case is simple enough, let's work it out. If it's non-resistive it's purely inductive, so v=-L*di/dt right? So if current i is constant, voltage v is zero, therefo

[Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Jones Beene
Robin ...however Ba135m only has a half-life of 1.2 days The anecdotal situation which is inferred (by me in this hypothesis) from Sweet's "conditioning" process, and the other reported alterations or variations of the necessary pretreatment, is that Ba135 can be elevated above ground state

Re: [Vo]: Re: Jones hypothesis on circuit

2007-01-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Stiffler Scientific's message of Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:29:17 -0600: Hi, [snip] >Let me expand on something I stated earlier, the (Spooky) thing (very >scientific term). > >Lets say we take a coil of similar parms as that which I use and excite it >with 1.6Mhz and proceed to scan the surr

Re: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Stiffler Scientific's message of Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:43:42 -0600: Hi, [snip] >God I should read all replies before I answer any. Your are getting close as >many others have done and just did not click with them. I can not explain >just how ingrained 1.6Mhz is with our environment and e

Re: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Stiffler Scientific's message of Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:40:21 -0600: Hi, [snip] >Sorry, NO! The frequency of the driver is 1.6Mhz and the discharge switch >rate is 70Hz, its not that easy to get 7W from <1. It might not be so difficult when you are holding the free end of the secondary i

Re: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:46:03 -0800: Hi, [snip] >3) Barium has such an isomer called Ba-135m. 135Ba is itself about 6.6% >of all barium and the isomer is a fraction of that which depends on how >long, and how "hot" was the ore from which the barium was extracted.

RE: [Vo]: Re: Jones hypothesis on circuit

2007-01-27 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Let me expand on something I stated earlier, the (Spooky) thing (very scientific term). Lets say we take a coil of similar parms as that which I use and excite it with 1.6Mhz and proceed to scan the surrounding area with a search coil to explore field strength (arbitrary levels). We would see the

[Vo]: Re: Jones hypothesis on circuit

2007-01-27 Thread Jones Beene
Well let me clarify that confusing and hastily put-together message. There is, of course, no gamma radiation per se - that would surely have been noticed. What I am suggesting is that just as in cold fusion, where the expected ~24 MeV gamma-ray energy of deuterium fusing into helium is apparen

[Vo]: Jones hypothesis on circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Jones, I have not included your text for various reasons, among which should be the obvious. Anyone foolish enough to play with gamma, even low level begs a knock on the door :-( A device as you describe would for sure not be allowed in the public domain, just guess why and it has nothing to do w

[Vo]: Circuit Cries foul Diagram

2007-01-27 Thread Stiffler Scientific
This circuit _IS_NOT_OU_ it will not run itself, it can not as yet anyway as it hates to have its output section tied in any way to the input or earth ground. Conservation of Energy is safe, for now. :-) Please all of you I don't want a fire storm. I have received email from all to many 'Free Ene

Re: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Jones Beene
OK - Lets assume that Ron Stiffler's device is robustly OU and is replicated by others. Here is why I think that any OU which is produced in could be *nuclear* in origin. But it's not the kind of "nuclear" which you had in mind. More specifically, in the past this little-known reaction has bee

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Michel Jullian
You insist, very aggressively, that my statement was incorrect even if I meant one electro-magnet. Well the case is simple enough, let's work it out. If it's non-resistive it's purely inductive, so v=-L*di/dt right? So if current i is constant, voltage v is zero, therefore consumed power i*v is

RE: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Yes! Yes!. Energy increase of 10k over 20khz and 40khz in transducer effectiveness in sonoluminesce. Used now in vaporizers, is spectrophotometer, etc,. etc., but used for specialized application and to my knowledge no one has yet seen how it can be used to crack a very sought after secret. > ---

RE: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Stiffler Scientific
God I should read all replies before I answer any. Your are getting close as many others have done and just did not click with them. I can not explain just how ingrained 1.6Mhz is with our environment and energy interchanges. > -Original Message- > From: Robin van Spaandonk [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Sorry, NO! The frequency of the driver is 1.6Mhz and the discharge switch rate is 70Hz, its not that easy to get 7W from <1. > -Original Message- > From: Robin van Spaandonk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 4:46 PM > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:

Re: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message From: Robin van Spaandonk < >Oh, interesting thought. You know there is a frequency that mother nature >seems to be in love with in many ways. A google search will show some >interesting results. Of course I'm talking about 1.6MHz This is about equal to the cyclotron f

Re: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Stiffler Scientific's message of Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:13:02 -0600: Hi, [snip] >Oh, interesting thought. You know there is a frequency that mother nature >seems to be in love with in many ways. A google search will show some >interesting results. Of course I'm talking about 1.6MHz [snip]

Re: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Stiffler Scientific's message of Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:27:47 -0600: Hi, [snip] >hundred hertz. Now with this circuit (my example) as you approach a specific >frequency there is a shift internal of the core and a very solid and quick >lock to the excitation. You may have to pull the input

Re: [Vo]: More on the Bettery

2007-01-27 Thread Robin van Spaandonk
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:11:55 +0100: Hi, [snip] >Unless the coatings diminish the material's permeability to some atmospheric >gases lowering it's breakdown voltage? > >Michel I would think that insulation from the atmosphere would be more cheaply and easily

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Harry Veeder
Paul wrote: > For example, many centuries ago people did not > understand where the energy contained in > compressed air came from. They could have easily > attributed it to a separate hidden energy > storage compartment created and handled by nature, > called PE. We now know that's a silly > id

RE: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Let me tease a bit further. But be sure this is _NOT_ a faked circuit in any way, albeit cranky sometimes, but real. If you have worked with tuned circuits (which this is not) as you approach resonance from the low side and pass the peak moving down on the high side. (Applying a sweep freq to a tu

RE: [Vo]: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Very well, the info has been pulled from our site and only through communication with know individuals (you know, only the good guys) cam I explain further at this time. > -Original Message- > From: Harry Veeder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 12:30 PM > To: vo

RE: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Point well taken, but it is not from the core in the same sense that one would consider when using a PM and the field is decreased over time. I did not mention, although important is that the relaxation oscillator is switching the bulb around 70Hz. The voltage on the storage capacitor drops during

RE: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Oh, interesting thought. You know there is a frequency that mother nature seems to be in love with in many ways. A google search will show some interesting results. Of course I'm talking about 1.6MHz > -Original Message- > From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, Janu

[Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message From: Harry Veeder >> This is NOT an OU device :-( it is an energy conversion device. Now where >> does the excess come from? Well that's a good question because only a >> certain ferrite core will allow the device to work... > That "certain ferrite core" wouldn't

RE: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Steven Vincent Johnson
Hi Paul, ... > > One can only go by the words of another. May I ask > what you meant by the uppercased words > in, "Living and experiencing the universe within the > context of one's own created computer > 'simulations' is no doubt a fascinating learning > experience. No doubt, it has its pla

RE: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Steven Vincent Johnson
Harry sez: ... > > One man's "garbage" is another man's "gold". > However, feeding "gold" to a computer seems pointless > to me... unless _we_ are the computer. ;-) > > Harry > Yes, indeedie! Couldn't have articulated any better than that! Which one will it be today, the red or blue pill.

Re: [Vo]: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Harry Veeder
How is the experiment on the magnetic effect on the temperature of water coming along? Harry Stiffler Scientific wrote: > I just posted another picture of the free secondary end of the transformer. > Remember the secondary has a free end and this is the one shown with the > neon. > > www.stiff

Re: [Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Harry Veeder
Jones Beene wrote: > - Original Message > From: Stiffler Scientific > > >> This is NOT an OU device :-(, it is an energy conversion device. Now where > does the excess come from? Well thats a good question because only a certain > ferrite core will allow the device to work, > > > That

[Vo]: Magnetic viscosity questions

2007-01-27 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
I first heard about magnetic viscosity (V[s])a few weeks ago. As I understand it, there's a time delay in ferromagnetic materials between an applied H field and the corresponding B field (and in reverse also -- removing the H field). If I spin a magnet over a ferromagnetic disc (assume non-condu

[Vo]: Re: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message From: Stiffler Scientific > This is NOT an OU device :-(, it is an energy conversion device. Now where does the excess come from? Well thats a good question because only a certain ferrite core will allow the device to work, That "certain ferrite core" wouldn't happe

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Paul
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: > Enjoy your simulations! Thank you! > PS: I never said I would take "pen and paper" over a computer. Do not infer > what was never said. One can only go by the words of another. May I ask what you meant by the uppercased words in, "Living and experiencing

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Paul
Michel Jullian wrote: >> I've adapted my own style of physics... > > No problem, I was only suggesting this as a way for you to realize you can't do away > with PE. Simulation software is usually based on forces and fields, so indeed it doesn't > have to compute energy to solve things. Which s

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Harry Veeder
OrionWorks wrote: > Paul sez: > > ... > >> >> I've adapted my own style of physics and retired the >> pen and paper, lol. IMHO the future of physics is >> computer software. Computers are best at mathematics, >> speed, and memory. I view the Omniverse as one large >> computer. As far as PE,

RE: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Steven Vincent Johnson
Enjoy your simulations! PS: I never said I would take "pen and paper" over a computer. Do not infer what was never said. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com > -Original Message- > From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:22 AM > To: vortex

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Paul
OrionWorks wrote: > Paul sez: > > ... > >> I've adapted my own style of physics and retired the >> pen and paper, lol. IMHO the future of physics is >> computer software. Computers are best at mathematics, >> speed, and memory. I view the Omniverse as one large >> computer. As far as P

Re: [Vo]: Re: Re Van de Graaf Antics

2007-01-27 Thread Frederick Sparber
Michel Jullian wrote. > > To: > Date: 1/27/2007 9:56:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Re Van de Graaf Antics > > Mmm if it has no net charge (not sure what you mean by "wrt earth ground" BTW, "no net charge" is absolute, zero Coulomb, unlike voltage which may be what you meant), why do you expect a

RE: [Vo]: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Stiffler Scientific
I just posted another picture of the free secondary end of the transformer. Remember the secondary has a free end and this is the one shown with the neon. www.stifflerscientific.com/images/avtrig2.jpg > -Original Message- > From: Stiffler Scientific [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Satu

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Paul
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > Paul wrote: >> Michel Jullian wrote: >> > Paul, I suggest you try and do some simple physics >> derivations (analytically) without >> > the help of PE, and post them here. Max speed >> reached by the ball in a pendulum released >> > at an angle of 90° fr

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Michel Jullian
> I've adapted my own style of physics... No problem, I was only suggesting this as a way for you to realize you can't do away with PE. Simulation software is usually based on forces and fields, so indeed it doesn't have to compute energy to solve things. Which software do you use, something of

Re: [Vo]: Re: Re Van de Graaf Antics

2007-01-27 Thread Michel Jullian
Mmm if it has no net charge (not sure what you mean by "wrt earth ground" BTW, "no net charge" is absolute, zero Coulomb, unlike voltage which may be what you meant), why do you expect a force wrt a charged body? Michel - Original Message - From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

RE: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread OrionWorks
Paul sez: ... > > I've adapted my own style of physics and retired the > pen and paper, lol. IMHO the future of physics is > computer software. Computers are best at mathematics, > speed, and memory. I view the Omniverse as one large > computer. As far as PE, my present simulation software >

[Vo]: Circuit cries foul

2007-01-27 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Years ago there was buzz on the news groups about Avramenko's Plug and proposed method of single wire transmission. During the period I did some experiments with the Plug and HV driving Xeons etc., yet found it to be going no where and JLN, Stefan Hartmann and Frolov got involved. JLN did a demo wh

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Paul wrote: Michel Jullian wrote: > Paul, I suggest you try and do some simple physics derivations (analytically) without > the help of PE, and post them here. Max speed reached by the ball in a pendulum released > at an angle of 90° from the vertical as a function of string length, this kin

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Paul
Michel Jullian wrote: > Paul, I suggest you try and do some simple physics derivations (analytically) without > the help of PE, and post them here. Max speed reached by the ball in a pendulum released > at an angle of 90° from the vertical as a function of string length, this kind of stuff. I'

RE: [Vo]: Re: Re Van de Graaf Antics

2007-01-27 Thread Frederick Sparber
Oops, make that the reported "0.5 to 1.0 MegaCoulombs excess negative charge of the earth". I gather it's split between the surface and the positive charge of the ionosphere. Fred > [Original Message] > From: Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Date: 1/27/2007 8:17:14 AM > Subject: R

RE: [Vo]: Re: Re Van de Graaf Antics

2007-01-27 Thread Frederick Sparber
Michel Jullian wrote. > > Nice experiment Fred! Wrt the weight changes, it behaves qualitatively as expected doesn't it? > Thanks. Yes the "leakage" around the room and ion wind is pronounced too. > > Did the discharge hurt a lot? > No, just startles you. I'm practicing with it so I can see if the

Re: [Vo]: Energy *Violations* using *standard* physics

2007-01-27 Thread Michel Jullian
Paul, I suggest you try and do some simple physics derivations (analytically) without the help of PE, and post them here. Max speed reached by the ball in a pendulum released at an angle of 90° from the vertical as a function of string length, this kind of stuff. You keep telling us electromagn

[Vo]: Re: FW: [Vo]: Launch Loop concept for earth to orbit access

2007-01-27 Thread Michel Jullian
Your own idea seems quite ingenious too! Michel - Original Message - From: "Hoyt A. Stearns Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:37 AM Subject: [Vo]: FW: [Vo]: Launch Loop concept for earth to orbit access > That sounds really ingenious :-) ! Thanks for pos

Re: [Vo]: More on the Bettery

2007-01-27 Thread Michel Jullian
Unless the coatings diminish the material's permeability to some atmospheric gases lowering it's breakdown voltage? Michel - Original Message - From: "Robin van Spaandonk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: More on the Bettery > In re

[Vo]: Re: Re Van de Graaf Antics

2007-01-27 Thread Michel Jullian
Nice experiment Fred! Wrt the weight changes, it behaves qualitatively as expected doesn't it? Did the discharge hurt a lot? Michel - Original Message - From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:29 PM Subject: [Vo]: Re Van de Graaf Antics >

[Vo]: Re Van de Graaf Antics

2007-01-27 Thread Frederick Sparber
A recently acquired Acculab VIC 10KG digital scale (10,100 grams) with +/- 1.0 gram resolution and a Science First model 10-060 (200 KV) Van de Graaff generator which specifies a "Positively Charged Sphere", with a how it works explanation, makes for some interesting endeavors. Setting the VDG o