Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > Semantics. Yes, steam can be much wetter than 20%, particularly after > condenstation, under marginal conditions it could approach 100%. This, > however, wouldn't be called "steam." It would be called "hot water." Yes, 100% liquid

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

Abd, you are correct of course. It was 3am when I wrote that post in a vain effort to persuade myself that Rossi demonstrations are too ambiguous arrive at any sort of conclusion. However, unlike you, I do think the evidence is sufficient to make a judgement about the veracity of Rossi claims. A

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

No, because I cannot travel from reasons of health, more precisely lack of it Peter On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 7:20 AM, wrote: > In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:08:15 +0300: > Hi, > [snip] > >Everything would be OK, if and when Defkalion would show us a small army > of > >

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Thu, 14 Jul 2011 16:02:26 -0700: Hi, [snip] >But Robin, how about the 2nd half of that excerpt, where the optimal >grain-size is more than a >micrometer, not nanometers... I would think that a 'tubercle', which is likely >composed of numerous >'grains', woul

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:08:15 +0300: Hi, [snip] >Everything would be OK, if and when Defkalion would show us a small army of >Hyperions, working at their site. They told me on the forum that they have >already tested combinations of max 6 devices in the kW range an

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

In reply to mix...@bigpond.com's message of Fri, 15 Jul 2011 08:22:30 +1000: Hi, Oops! Having never heard of tubercles, I just assumed it was a language problem! It was - mine! :( >In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:33:15 -0700: >Hi, >[snip] >>The tubercles are essential

[Vo]:Definitely proving cold fusion.

People, I had an idea. Any nuclear process releases neutrinos. In LENR, even in small experiments, it seems there is a neutrino flux comparable or bigger the Sun irradiates the Earth. (200billion neutrinos/cm^2). So, why not making an LENR experiment close to a big neutrino detector, like the kam

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

At 02:49 PM 7/14/2011, Rich Murray wrote: The 15 seconds when Rossi waved the misty end of the black hose against the black sweater were the Waterloo of this mistaken claim... Any signs that his associates are starting to face this unwelcome reality? Rich, you are making an assumption, that a

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

I don't know what it is about this, but Jed seems to have lost his ability to read and understand Of course, it could be me, I suppose. Aren't we always the last to know? At 02:45 PM 7/14/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Nevertheless, this report from Kullander and Ess

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

At 12:50 PM 7/14/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: In many discussions of this, it was assumed that the only issue was "steam quality." If we were to assume very wet steam, say 20% by wei

Re: [Vo]:Spring constant between water molecules derived from bulk modulus

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:52 PM, David Jonsson wrote: > Hi > > Can someone help me to derive the spring constant between water molecules > based on the bulk modulus of water? It seems simple but i just > can't figure it out. > > How does spring constant between water molecules in > F = - k x > re

RE: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

But Robin, how about the 2nd half of that excerpt, where the optimal grain-size is more than a micrometer, not nanometers... I would think that a 'tubercle', which is likely composed of numerous 'grains', would be larger than its constituent parts (i.e. a grain)! "Rossi tells that he worked ever

[Vo]:Spring constant between water molecules derived from bulk modulus

Hi Can someone help me to derive the spring constant between water molecules based on the bulk modulus of water? It seems simple but i just can't figure it out. How does spring constant between water molecules in F = - k x relate to the bulk modulus K = - V dp / dV k = spring constant F = force

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:33:15 -0700: Hi, [snip] >The tubercles are essential in order for the reaction rate to reach levels >high enough for the >implied total power output per volume or mass to reach orders of magnitude >kW/kg - this level of >power density is

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

In reply to Mark Iverson's message of Wed, 13 Jul 2011 07:24:19 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Another tidbit, but from part 1 of 2... > >"The post-reaction analysis shows a copper isotope ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 1.6, >while the natural >occurrence show a ratio of Cu 63/Cu 65 ~ 2.24 which is a statistically

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: > As Richard Feynman said, there are some who are very uncomfortable not making > a decision... > > Some individuals tend to operate in a binary mode, and are constantly > changing their 'decision' as > new data comes in.  I, like Steven, am

RE: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

Steven wrote: "For now, I think I'll reserve a definitive conclusion on the Rossi matter." As Richard Feynman said, there are some who are very uncomfortable not making a decision... Some individuals tend to operate in a binary mode, and are constantly changing their 'decision' as new data come

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

>From Richard: > I examined the video frame by frame for the 15 frames > that were part of the 15 seconds that showed the end > of the black hose -- several frames clearly show the > water mist expanding as a cone directly from the end > of the hose -- thus no proof that invisible steam made > it

[Vo]:Paying the price of the Iraq war?

Looks like there's a good chance the Webb telescope will be scratched: http://www.futura-sciences.com/fr/news/t/astronautique/d/le-futur-telescope-spatial-james-webb-pourrait-etre-abandonne_31339/#xtor=RSS-19 Headline: "The future James Webb space telescope could be abandoned". The rest of th

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

I examined the video frame by frame for the 15 frames that were part of the 15 seconds that showed the end of the black hose -- several frames clearly show the water mist expanding as a cone directly from the end of the hose -- thus no proof that invisible steam made it to the end of the 3 m hose.

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Terry Blanton wrote: > >> Trust but verify. > > I don't get that. If you have verified, you don't need to trust. Yes, well, I think Reagan was being amusing. At least, that's how *I* intended it. T

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > Nevertheless, this report from Kullander and Essen could be interpreted >> quite in line with what Krivit is claiming: >> >> http://www.nyteknik.se/**nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/**article324.ece

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

>From Rich: > The 15 seconds when Rossi waved the misty end of the black hose > against the black sweater were the Waterloo of this mistaken claim... > > Any signs that his associates are starting to face this unwelcome reality? The "waterloo of [Rossi's] mistaken claim?" Heavens, Rich, how many

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

The overall shared goal is noble -- the positive evolution of human beings on this planet -- aided by unexpected advances in understanding and science. Finding things that don't work out is valuable, and sustains eventual successes.

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

Terry Blanton wrote: Trust but verify. I don't get that. If you have verified, you don't need to trust. It makes more sense to say: Don't trust; verify. OR Why bother trusting if you can verify? This was with regard to weapons reductions in the Reagan era. By that time, both sides had e

[Vo]:EV World / Rossi Interview Transcript

http://pesn.com/2011/07/14/9501869_EV-World_Interviews_Andrea_Rossi/

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

The 15 seconds when Rossi waved the misty end of the black hose against the black sweater were the Waterloo of this mistaken claim... Any signs that his associates are starting to face this unwelcome reality?

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: Nevertheless, this report from Kullander and Essen could be interpreted quite in line with what Krivit is claiming: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article324.ece The issue would be whether or not this report was an "endorsement." Ah, that r

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

Terry sez: > Trust but verify. The phrase, of course, has a tendency to contradict its original intent. However, I appreciate the meaning (and spirit) in which it is given. The phrase was one of the few things Ronald Reagan sed while he was in office that made any sense to me. Humans are often

[Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

Trust but verify. T

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

Technically speaking I don't believe there is such a thing as too much trust. We are born to trust, although depending on our personal life experiences we may lose our capacity to trust in different areas of our lives. On the other hand, vanity and ambition may blind us to the abuse of our trust

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement Krivit/Rossi page

With the stop/go mailing, I'm not sure if this is old news : Krivit has added a link from his main blog page to http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/AndreaRossiAndHisEnergy-Catalyzer.shtml (Latest entry July 5) where he seems to be collecting all the Rossi-specific stuff.

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > In many discussions of this, it was assumed that the only issue was "steam > quality." If we were to assume very wet steam, say 20% by weight, we would > then be able to infer excess heat, assuming complete boiling (only merely > "we

Re: [Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

Hmm, I wonder if Krivit was really telling the truth and he played tricks on Rossi. On his website, Rossi said that there wasn't an output of 4KW: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497&cpage=9#comment-47686 Dear Marcia Pires: ***4000 kW is a power we never reached. The speed in ou

[Vo]:Estimated range of possible power shown by 2 ml/second water flow in a Rossi-type demonstration

At 04:01 AM 7/13/2011, Harry Veeder wrote: If we apply the logic of the "block box" to the eCat then it is possible to argue it is a hoax even if the output is only dry steam. This is based on the assumption that it is theoretically possible to use a 600-700 watt resistance heater to transfo

Re: [Vo]:Rossi has lost my trust

>From Harry: > I was not judging Rossi's current claims against his past misdeeds. > However, I am sorry to say this, but Rossi's current conduct is another > matter. His aggressive responses to unfavorable criticism, his growing > list of inconsistent statements and his highly dubious demonstrati

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

Damon Craig wrote: Check out their report. They report the power input as 500 Watts in their energy calculations. Why? That is incorrect. The report says: "The electric heater was switched on at 10:25, and the meter reading was 1.5 amperes corresponding to 330 watts for the heating including

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

Jed, NASA previously looked at Black Light Power as a possible propulsion source and I think it is this possibility that still has them interested in these hydrogen plasmas. I remain of the opinion that there is an initial ZPE reaction that occurs when hydrogen reactions are migr

[Vo]:Interesting paper

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/26943/ Ref: arxiv.org/abs/1106.5301: Optimizing And Controlling Functions Of Complex Networks By Manipulating Rich-Club Connections :-) Regards, Mauro

Re: [Vo]:Not working again

Carl fixed the problem with the Ultra5 server which runs this list but he offered the following: [EskimoNorthUsers] Bad news From: Carl To: eskimonorthus...@yahoogroups.com More bad news... someone levied all of Eskimo's bank accounts dry, in fact it even over drafted one of them

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

I think these old boy were given to believe they were among critically objective scientists giving a warm welcome with nothing to hide. I think they all had a little to much trust in each other's obvectivity and the whole think snowballed into what we have today. I don't disclude myself from the li

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

Hold on boys. Essen and Kullander didn't do any testing. They were passive observers. They brought no equipment. They also reported a lot of things told to them by Rossi as fact, of which they had no direct evidence. Check out their report. They report the power input as 500 Watts in their energy

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > [KRIVIT] Professors Sven Kullander, retired from Uppsala University, and >>> Hanno Essen, with the Royal Institute of Technology, endorsed Rossi's >>> claimed technology in a news story on Feb. 23, 2011, before the

Re: [Vo]:Levi's likely attitude

2011/7/13 Jed Rothwell > > In the video, Rossi did a rough approximation of the heat balance on a > paper chart. I am sure that result is correct as far as it goes. I expect it > is no more than 10% or 20% off. > But your expectation does not constitute evidence. > This is fundamental physics

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > What the heck are you talking about?!? Of course it delivers more than you >> put into it. This is a peculiar thing to say. >> > What a pecular thing so say. I've read closely the Levi, Kullander and Essen, and Levan reports and haven't found

Re: [Vo]:Reports of tritium production from Rossi-like experiments

On 2011-07-13 17:44, Michele Comitini wrote: Interesting... the page has been removed from 22passi! From other comments in that website it looks like there has been a misunderstanding between Passerini and Celani regarding the permission to publicly post that email, so the blogpost got remove

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

... or at least to get their speech in synch :) 2011/7/13 Jed Rothwell > I...I think Rossi and the people at Defkalion should *sit down and review > the designs*, and they should publish accurate information in agreement > from both sides. > > - Jed > >

Re: [Vo]:Reports of tritium production from Rossi-like experiments

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > On 2011-07-12 22:21, Jones Beene wrote: >> >> Akira - yes this conversation did happen; but it is/was NOT supposed to be >> public. The subject line is also misleading. >> >> Celani (via Passerini) should not have posted it. But, since 'LA-

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

Just consider this sentence... After the initial meeting with NASA, Defkalion GT and Ampenergo will sit down and develop a joint program for the introduction of the E-Cat as a main energy source to the world. and break it down... After the initial meeting with NASA, Defkalion GT and Ampenerg

Re: [Vo]:Ecatreport part 2

Everything would be OK, if and when Defkalion would show us a small army of Hyperions, working at their site. They told me on the forum that they have already tested combinations of max 6 devices in the kW range and of 115 devices in the MW range. Xanthi is not so far from my house (Cluj) but would