Re: [Vo]:PESN reports that Rossi 1 MW reactor may be self-sustaining

Did you forget about CETI's preheater Jed? The connection between input energy and output heat is complicated and indirect. With the electrochemical cells, all else being equal, output is somewhat proportional to input because high input boosts high loading which in turn boosts the heat. But

Fw: [Vo]:Neutrons from Piezonuclear Reactions

- Forwarded Message - >From: Axil Axil >To: Harry Veeder >Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:38:34 PM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutrons from Piezonuclear Reactions > > >From a very quick scan of the referenced paper, the process in play within the >cavatation bubble  may very well be very much l

Re: [Vo]:Neutrons from Piezonuclear Reactions

Search for "Neutrons from Piezonuclear Reactions" using google, then click the first link listed. That should work.   Harry From: Drowning Trout >To: Harry Veeder >Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 6:46:04 PM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Neutrons from Piezonuclear Reactions > > >"Neutrons from Piezonuclear Rea

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > It's like opening a can of spaghetti and finding that half of the pasta is > actually worms. "Gee, it looked like pasta to me!" Hey, that's an insult to us pastafarians! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster T

Re: [Vo]:Seebeck effect in the E-Cat?

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Steven V Johnson wrote: > >> Nah! All'ya need is a Ford Model "T" crank. > > We're in luck, then. We have plenty of cranks in this field. Yep, T (Crank)

Re: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview

Without exact details of external and internal geometries, thicknesses, and volumes, the world is whistling in the dark re any attempts to make and test dummy copies of the Rossi reactor, with some Ni micropower and no catalyst, to establish the null hypothesis that the observed complex water-froth

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

To be more precise, the temperature difference between the inside of the reaction vessel and the water cannot be greater than a certain value  or the generation of heat will cease and the difference cannot be less than a certain value or the reactor temperature will then begin to rise autonomou

Re: [Vo]:Seebeck effect in the E-Cat?

Steven V Johnson wrote: Nah! All'ya need is a Ford Model "T" crank. We're in luck, then. We have plenty of cranks in this field. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

It would be more accurate to say the reaction depends on a temperature difference between the reactor and the water rather than on the temperature of the reactor.   No? Harry From: Joshua Cude >To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:11:59 PM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:Uppsala Universit

Re: [Vo]:Seebeck effect in the E-Cat?

Terry sez: ... > I'll bet 'cha there will always be an electric component to the > initiation of the reaction either way. Nah! All'ya need is a Ford Model "T" crank. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

[Vo]:Neutrons from Piezonuclear Reactions

paper from Annales de la Fondation Louis de Broglie, Volume 34 no 2, 2009 Neutrons from Piezonuclear Reactions http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-​342/aflb342m669.pdf ABSTRACT. We report the results obtained by cavitating water solutions of iron salts (Fe(Cl)3 and Fe(NO3)3) with different concentrations a

[Vo]:PESN reports that Rossi 1 MW reactor may be self-sustaining

See new article. There are some statements in this article I have not heard, and some stuff I doubt is true: http://pesn.com/2011/07/21/9501874_Rossis_Self_Sustaining_One_Megawatt_Reactor/ I think it is more likely that it will require minimal input energy. The input to output ratio will be high.

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011/7/22 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax : > Essentially, "burden" is a social construct, it doesn't exist aside from > human conventions. There is no "burden meter." > Again you are on a roll! This burden of proof argument is silly and widely spread pseudoargument. Usually it works, because if Alice tells

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 04:06 AM 7/22/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: > > >> I don't get that. If it takes one unit of power to bring the temperature >> up to the ignition threshold, and then the thing generates 6 or more units >> of power on its own, I can't see

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011/7/22 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax : > However, claims that the data is contradictory, on the basis of steam > pressure calculations, seem to fail. > Thanks for these calculations – they sound reasonable. For me it seems that E-Cat worked properly only in Mats Lewan's hands where power output was compa

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat open source replication

RE: The evidence for nano-powder welding as one of Rossi’s secrets is strong but circumstantial in the 10kw unit whose reaction vessel volume is 1 liter. In one recent demo of the 10-kw Cat-e, a short output power excursion occurred where the input output ratio went over 1600 during the 130 kW

Re: [Vo]:Seebeck effect in the E-Cat?

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Second, there is a cat-e design option currently in development that does > not use any input energy to control the Rossi reaction. Allegedly. Unless, of course, you have taken a job with Defkalion and aren't telling us. ;-) I'll bet 'cha t

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

At 07:48 AM 7/22/2011, Damon Craig wrote: "the burden of proof lies with the claimant" it does? 1) prove it. 2) in having made the burden-of-proof argument, are you obligated to me to prove it? 3) what is your burden/penalty if you decide not to oblige me? Arguments like this assume absol

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

At 07:48 AM 7/22/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Damon, little two sec googling with cell phone gave me this link: http://brewery.org/library/SteInjCS1295.html It says that all boiling chambers produces about 98% dry steam. Therefore wetness measureme

RE: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview

At 07:27 AM 7/22/2011, Robert Leguillon wrote: http://evworld.com/press/e-cat_cutaway.jpg Two heaters. The internal heater makes sense for bringing up the Ni-H to operating temperatures (and, presumably, keep it there). It's the purpose of the external heater that's puzzling. How authoritat

Re: [Vo]:Seebeck effect in the E-Cat?

There are two counterarguments to the proposition that an electric or electronic based mechanism contributes to the establishment or the control of the Rossi effect. First, for much of the long history of the Cat-e development, a single heater was used to activate and control the Cold fusion rea

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

At 07:24 AM 7/22/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Craig, indeed that is true, liquid water does not contribute to the pressure at all, because water does not gently flow out of the E-Cat, but is spilled due to rather violent boiling at kW range in closed container. No, that's an error. The E-Cat

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

At 06:59 AM 7/22/2011, Damon Craig wrote: The steam temperature is not measure at the location of evolution but futher along in the device toward the exit. For those of us adhering to the Water Flow-though Hypothesis, the thermometer is further toward the water surface at the height of the ou

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

At 06:48 AM 7/22/2011, Damon Craig wrote: I think I'll have to take this one step at a time. Do you all realize that you could swim up into the sky in steam containing 90% by mass water? Absolutly not. You are thinking, Damon, of 90% by volume.

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

At 04:06 AM 7/22/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <a...@lomaxdesign.com> wrote: It's plausible as a control method, depending on the temperature response of the active material. The active material will presumably have

Re: [Vo]:Seebeck effect in the E-Cat?

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > Terry, > > Stray current between two resistance heaters would be counter-intuitive, > since the heaters are supposed to be well insulated electrically, Not necessarily. Note that the internal heater could be a nichrome or tungsten wire in ac

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Damon Craig wrote: > It is not a part of our life experiences to have witnessed steam at anytime > having this anywhere near this liquid water content. > It depends on your life experience. It is certainly part of Mitra et al's experience as documented in IEEE Se

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

A major error in my previous post. It should be ~4J/gK x 70K= ~300J/g whereas heat of vaporization is ~2200J/g so obviously the inlet cold water will not be able to provide 100% of the cooling to condense the steam but only about 10%. But perhaps the large bulk of water in the E-Cat could provid

[Vo]:Seebeck effect in the E-Cat?

Terry, Stray current between two resistance heaters would be counter-intuitive, since the heaters are supposed to be well insulated electrically, and therefore not thermionic - so we must ask: what kind of current flow is even possible between two resistance heaters should you desire to maximize t

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

Yes its not measured but it follows that it must be higher due to the increased pressure. - Original Message - From: Damon Craig To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement The steam tempe

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Damon Craig wrote: > I think I'll have to take this one step at a time. > > Do you all realize that you could swim up into the sky in > steam containing 90% by mass water? > I don't think you read what I wrote. The density of water vapor at 100C is 1700 times low

Re: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview

Perhaps auxiliary heater is for preheating inlet water so that the temperature gradient of water is smoother. This would help to maintain more constant temperature in the core and thus increase controllability, as heat energy from reactor core is used for making steam at constant temperature, but n

Re: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:27 AM, Robert Leguillon wrote: > http://evworld.com/press/e-cat_cutaway.jpg > > Two heaters.  The internal heater makes sense for bringing up the Ni-H to > operating temperatures (and, presumably, keep it there). It's the purpose of > the external heater that's puzzling.

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

"the burden of proof lies with the claimant" it does? 1) prove it. 2) in having made the burden-of-proof argument, are you obligated to me to prove it? 3) what is your burden/penalty if you decide not to oblige me? On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 20

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

Damon, little two sec googling with cell phone gave me this link: http://brewery.org/library/SteInjCS1295.html It says that all boiling chambers produces about 98% dry steam. Therefore wetness measurement that was 1.4-1.2% feels very reliable. I think that wetness depens slightly on temperature d

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

Do you have an online reference or text reference to the 1-2% value for typical wetness of steam? I would like to have a reference source. On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > It was well established that wetness of the steam was something in order of > 1-2% that is typical fo

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

I don't know how to visually estimate the wetness of steam. Why do you think it's less than 5%? On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 5:28 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Damon, > > This is what I tried to explain before. Discussing about wetness of > the steam is a moot point. The mass of liquid in any of those vi

RE: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview

http://evworld.com/press/e-cat_cutaway.jpg Two heaters. The internal heater makes sense for bringing up the Ni-H to operating temperatures (and, presumably, keep it there). It's the purpose of the external heater that's puzzling. Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 04:06:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Serg

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

Craig, indeed that is true, liquid water does not contribute to the pressure at all, because water does not gently flow out of the E-Cat, but is spilled due to rather violent boiling at kW range in closed container. Only thing that contributes for the pressure is steam flow pressure out of the E-C

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > I don't get that. If it takes one unit of power to bring the temperature up > to the ignition threshold, and then the thing generates 6 or more units of > power on its own, I can't see how removing the first one could possibly > bring the temp

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

The steam temperature is not measure at the location of evolution but futher along in the device toward the exit. For those of us adhering to the Water Flow-though Hypothesis, the thermometer is further toward the water surface at the height of the outlet where the pressure is less than that where

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

I think I'll have to take this one step at a time. Do you all realize that you could swim up into the sky in steam containing 90% by mass water? It is not a part of our life experiences to have witnessed steam at anytime having this anywhere near this liquid water content. Keep the eyes open to w

Re: [Vo]: Prof. Kullander now an Ecat critic?

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 07:30 AM 7/21/2011, Damon Craig wrote: > > >> Essen and Kullander: >> >> "At the end of the horizontal section there is an auxiliary electric >> heater to initialize the burning and also to act as a safety if the heat >> evolution

Re: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 06:47 AM 7/21/2011, Damon Craig wrote: > >> OK. So no one has looked closely at the goofy temperature curve in the >> Levi report of the December 16, 2010 demonstration which he claimed was >> evidence of an exothermic reaction (and

Re: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > While two heaters is possible, it's not what is reported. The description > here is a bit garbled. There are two chambers, the reaction chamber and the > cooling chamber. There may be a third chamber, a closed coolant chamber that >

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > No, increased pressure is caused by the pump (I have little idea how much > it will cause, but my guess is that this isn't enough to raise the pressure > to atmospheric), and by steam pressure from boiling. Even a little boiled > water

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 11:58 AM 7/21/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 6:56 AM, Damon Craig < >> de**cra...@gmail.com > wrote: >> Cude, Lomax: >> >> To you two, and myself, its fairly obvious this device do

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 07:56 AM 7/21/2011, Damon Craig wrote: > >> Cude, Lomax: >> >> To you two, and myself, its fairly obvious this device doesn't do what it >> is reported to do, but we have no solid, unrefutable evidence--yet. >> >> One presumption is