Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini wrote: As I have said here, flow meters tend to be a pain in the butt. A water tank where to put outgoing water and get volume by measuring height. I don't think he would have many more problems with mass/volume water in liquid phase than he has with steam... At high power

[Vo]:bell soon to toll for Rossi debacle, Steven B. Krivit definitive technical review, with able collaborators, due in a few days: Rich Murray 2011.07.29

2011-07-29 Thread Rich Murray
bell soon to toll for Rossi debacle, Steven B. Krivit definitive technical review, with able collaborators, due in a few days: Rich Murray 2011.07.29 A fine example of how cogent, pertinent, rapid scientific collaboration can now operate freely and for free via the Net... The effects of the June

[Vo]:NET Says Little COP

2011-07-29 Thread Terry Blanton
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/07/29/possible-low-or-no-levels-of-excess-heat-in-rossi-device/ Our analysis shows a possible energy gain of one to two times. end excerpt I wonder who constitutes Our? T

Re: [Vo]:modified fourier law

2011-07-29 Thread Harry Veeder
I don't know, but consider this example: People, cats, and animals in general can fail to perform when they become either hypothermic or hyperthermic. Harry From: Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com To: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:52:01 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-29 Thread Michele Comitini
2011/7/29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: As I have said here, flow meters tend to be a pain in the butt. You need a flow meter to do this right. In the 18-hour test they reportedly did use a flow meter. I asked them what make and model. They never responded so I did not include this

Re: [Vo]:NET Says Little COP

2011-07-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Terry sez: Our analysis shows a possible energy gain of one to two times. end excerpt I wonder who constitutes Our? Expanding on Terry's question: Is there a specific link that explains these claims in more detail, or are we going to just have to wait? All I see is advertisement. Coming

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini wrote: You need a flow meter to do this right. In the 18-hour test they reportedly did use a flow meter. I asked them what make and model. They never responded so I did not include this detail in my description. Flow meters have to be reliable: don't we all trust the gas pump?

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-29 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Jul 29, 2011 12:29 AM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: As I said, my feeling is that he prefers steam because it proves the thing works at high temperature. Also, it is a little more convenient to work with. The flow of water is lower and you can use a weight scale

Re: [Vo]:NET Says Little COP

2011-07-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Just a brief follow-up comment. Browsing the front page of New Energy Times: http://newenergytimes.com/ It's odd to me that the on-going Rossi saga still does not merit a least a brief link here. I mean, golly! Regardless of whether one believes in Rossi's claims or not, this isn't news?

[Vo]:new data global warming is not a problem

2011-07-29 Thread fznidarsic
http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
The difference between 4.4KW and 0.8KW was not visual, the former didn't seem to put much more steam. The difference was more in the intervals between bubbling noises. They seem to scale inversely linearly with the power.

Re: [Vo]:bell soon to toll for Rossi debacle, Steven B. Krivit definitive technical review, with able collaborators, due in a few days: Rich Murray 2011.07.29

2011-07-29 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 09:36 AM 7/29/2011, Rich Murray wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/07/29/new-energy-times-report-3-on-rossi-device-coming-soon/ Careful observers have noticed that Rossi is not claiming a 1 megawatt electrical device but a 1 megawatt thermal device. They have also noticed that

[Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-29 Thread Damon Craig
In order to resolve the disagreement between the wet steam hyposesis and the water spill-though hypothesis it's reasonable to ask how much energy it takes to break water into droplets and lift these a few inches before sending them out the exit of the rossi device. The energy requires to increase

Re: [Vo]:new data global warming is not a problem

2011-07-29 Thread Alexander Hollins
no, it says its not as bad as worst case scenarios. Still increasing, still holding in heat. On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:04 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: http://news.yahoo.com/nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-global-warming-alarmism-192334971.html Frank Z

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-29 Thread Michele Comitini
Simplest way to do convincing demonstration is to recycle large enough volume of water, so that inlet water is pumped from the water tank and outlet will lead back to the same tank. Then it needs only to observe rising temperature. If Rossi wants to do really convincing demonstration he would

Re: [Vo]:new data global warming is not a problem

2011-07-29 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
FWIW: The article was written James M. Taylor is senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute and managing editor of Environment Climate News. Here's some info on Harland's funding, as revealed by Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute Excerpt:

[Vo]:An example of bad publicity that Defkalion or Rossi could have prevented

2011-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.theoildrum.com/node/8140 This is a respectable, widely read website. This report is completely wrong, but it is easy to see how the author made these mistakes. Either Defkalion or Rossi could publish correct, complete, authoritative information to squelch this kind of thing.

Re: [Vo]:new data global warming is not a problem

2011-07-29 Thread Michael Foster
Well yes. Utterly obvious to those of us who haven't adopted fear of climate change as a religion substitute. This won't change the jumping up and down and screaming of the true believers a whit. Don't confuse them with the facts and please don't deprive them of their new inquisition. And the

Re: [Vo]:bell soon to toll for Rossi debacle, Steven B. Krivit definitive technical review, with able collaborators, due in a few days: Rich Murray 2011.07.29

2011-07-29 Thread Terry Blanton
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were: any man's death diminishes me, because I am

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat explained - Final chapter for steam controversy

2011-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini wrote: As we here see how trivial it is to setup absolutely convincing demonstration, then we have only one option left that Rossi does not want to do such thing! At least not before October. The question here is *WHY* he would not want to make such experiment? Rossi has

Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-29 Thread Damon Craig
Lewan still believes this stuff, hu? On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Damon Craig wrote: Can you post it here, verbatum? Not the entire email, if you like, just the data. Nope. Even if I did, it would prove nothing, since anyone can write a few

Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-29 Thread Michele Comitini
2011/7/28 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Damon Craig wrote: Can you post it here,  verbatum? Not the entire email, if you like, just the data. Nope. Even if I did, it would prove nothing, since anyone can write a few lines of ascii text and claim they came from an e-mail. That is

Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: Lewan still believes this stuff, hu? You may be certain that if he or I knew of any reason to doubt these claims, we would publish these reasons. I have done this already, here:

Re: [Vo]:ColdFusionNow reports support for research from influential person in Italy

2011-07-29 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. Even if I did, it would prove nothing, since anyone can write a few lines of ascii text and claim they came from an e-mail. That is arguable at least if you use PGP or OpenPGP to sign your bytes. I think anyone that sends data on the

Re: [Vo]:An example of bad publicity that Defkalion or Rossi could have prevented

2011-07-29 Thread Michele Comitini
Jed, If you search on this list there is a reference to an interview on RAINEWS with Focardi, Celani someone else and Bardi. Understanding Italian I can state that Bardi was always talking of things that had little to do with the main discussion there. He his expert and involved in classical

Re: [Vo]:bell soon to toll for Rossi debacle, Steven B. Krivit definitive technical review, with able collaborators, due in a few days: Rich Murray 2011.07.29

2011-07-29 Thread Daniel Rocha
He did not make one comment about the video, but wrote 2 long posts about his visit, heh.

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-29 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: In order to resolve the disagreement between the wet steam hyposesis and the water spill-though hypothesis it's reasonable to ask how much energy it takes to break water into droplets and lift these a few inches before

Re: [Vo]:NET Says Little COP

2011-07-29 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 01:27 PM 7/29/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/07/29/possible-low-or-no-levels-of-excess-heat-in-rossi-device/http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/07/29/possible-low-or-no-levels-of-excess-heat-in-rossi-device/ Our analysis shows a possible energy gain of one to