Re: [Vo]:Rossis Catalyst = RF+DC?

Am 16.11.2011 08:00, schrieb Marcello Vitale: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:26 PM, > wrote: Many universities and prominent institutes make experiments with metal powder and hydrogen. The Max Planck Institute for example examines the heat storge capacit

Re: [Vo]:When faced with reality

from the wikipedia article about the Wright brothers. about the first flight in 1903 "The Wrights sent a telegram about the flights to their father, requesting that he "inform press." However, the *Dayton Journal* refused to publish the story, saying the flights were too short to be important. Mea

Re: [Vo]:Rossis Catalyst = RF+DC?

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:26 PM, wrote: > Many universities and prominent institutes make experiments with metal > powder and hydrogen. > The Max Planck Institute for example examines the heat storge capacity at > 400° for such arrangements. > They also mill powder in ball mills in hydrogen athmo

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Am 16.11.2011 02:57, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Mary Yugo mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com>> wrote: If I knew something worth a vast fortune, I'd consult with the best possible people about how to protect it. I'd pay them well and do what they said to. How do you know Rossi is not doing that?

Re: [Vo]:Word of the day

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Re: [Vo]:Word of the day

Sophisticated spiritual traditions always have a back room, when the persistent find candid explanations that within the overall shared virtual reality simulation illusion, the spiritual tradition is just another illusion, but one that facilitates awakening beyond sensation, feeling, emotion, perce

Re: [Vo]:The extent of opposition to breakthroughs is predicted by Szpak's dictum

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Great crowds of people, including many scientists, opposed Edison, the > Wrights, > People were skeptical of the Wrights, they did not "oppose" them. And they certainly didn't oppose powered flight. > the laser, > There were no crowds o

Re: [Vo]:The extent of opposition to breakthroughs is predicted by Szpak's dictum

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Suppose, in a parallel universe, scientists in 1990 did science instead of > treating theory as a form of religion. > If theory were treated as religion, no one would have paid attention to P&F, but they did. They were given a standing ova

[Vo]:What did this originally mean: "Stop Destroying Keyboards"

People, please! Use new headers for new discussionsBut while I am on the subject: WHO IN THE WORLD IS DESTROYING KEYBOARDS AND WHY (Enquiring minds want to know!!!) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:04:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards From: rmfor...@gmail.com To: vo

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Mary, thanks for http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/12/swedish-public-radio-turns-spotlight-on-lewan-and-ny-teknik/#comments You've already describe the possibilites of Rossi taking substantial investments with iron clad nondisclosure agreements...

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > ... but all of his choices seem risky. ... > > But that's the thing. They are not. Performing a completely thorough test, as Rossi was advised to do, is not risky even in public. Certainly it is not as risky as a sale. Neither is a secret

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Mary Yugo wrote: > > So you think experts on intellectual property protection told Rossi to > give 12 or more poorly controlled and calibrated demonstrations more or > less in public, not to get a single independent test . . . > They would not advise him about this. It is not any concern of thei

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> If I knew something worth a vast fortune, I'd consult with the best >> possible people about how to protect it. I'd pay them well and do what they >> said to. > > > How do you know Rossi is not doing that? > > So you

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Mary Yugo wrote: > If I knew something worth a vast fortune, I'd consult with the best > possible people about how to protect it. I'd pay them well and do what they > said to. How do you know Rossi is not doing that? He has hired top experts at NI to design his control systems. He is not a foo

[Vo]:The extent of opposition to breakthroughs is predicted by Szpak's dictum

Alan J Fletcher wrote: There is no dispute that Edison produced light. > Nobody knew (or needed to know) the formula for his filaments, or > challenged their possibility. > There was no dispute that Edison produced light, because Farmer and many others had been doing that for 20 years before Ed

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Nov 15, 2011, at 11:17, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Many things about Rossi make no sense. He is not a predictable person, and > not easy to understand. His motivations are obscure. He is complicated. His > business practices seem risky and ineffective to me. He does many things that > make him

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > There is no dispute that Edison produced light. > Nobody knew (or needed to know) the formula for his filaments, or > challenged their possibility. > What I meant was that no one disputed the fact that he produced light from electricit

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > People who think Rossi and Defkalion are faking or fooling around because > they are late and their devices produce only 470 kW instead of 1 MW know > nothing about history, and nothing about technology. "Only 470 kW" is an > incredible thin

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

At 03:55 PM 11/15/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: Right. They say Rossi has not produced fusion. That destroys the parallel, because it was obvious that Edison *had* produced incandescent lights. What wasn't obvious was that he could make it practical. If scientists thought Rossi had cold fusion, they

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > They were not saying "incandescent lights are impossible." [...] The > parallels to cold fusion are interesting. No scientist denies that fusion > is possible. They say metal lattice fusion without neutrons is impossible. > Right. They say

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > On the contrary, Edison's strategy resembled Rossi's. He did > demonstrations with goal of impressing the public and causing a tremendous > buzz. His demonstrations looked impressive to the public but they proved > nothing. The scientific

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Oh come now. You know perfectly well there is a good reason for not > telling people this sort of thing. This information is worth a trillion > dollars. The secret to producing cold fusion is worth a lot. That he claims is his catalyst. I

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > There is no doubt he has control over it. > Wrong. I doubt he has control over it, other than the obvious input current to heat it up, and maybe start some kind of reaction, and cooling water to cool it down, and maybe stop it. But I serio

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: > If they use special sensors and go into the water pipes or into the thermo > element opening or into the steam outlet they might be able to measure it > inside the shielding - if it exists. > They could also put sensitive substances into the

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Oh come now. You know perfectly well there is a good reason for not > telling people this sort of thing. This information is worth a trillion > dollars. If he has not filed a patent application, and he goes around > telling people this sort

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

Am 15.11.2011 23:44, schrieb Mary Yugo: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Peter Heckert > wrote: Independent test is difficult for him, because the observers can do disallowed tests like measuring the gamma spectra. It is not required. I understand th

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Mary Yugo wrote: Why was Rossi tweaking the heat in mid experiment during the session dissected by Krivit in which Rossi peers nervously about and says "stable, stable"? How does a safety heater quench the reaction? I bet if you ask Rossi, he will tell you (in my opinion without reason)

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Peter Heckert wrote: > Independent test is difficult for him, because the observers can do > disallowed tests like measuring the gamma spectra. > It is not required. I understand that he does not want this. > Maybe I missed it but I don't think any recent tests h

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

Sorry-- I remember a Vortex instruction to keep quotes as short as possible. I thought it would be clear or unimportant but I will include the author line next time. It wasn't a software issue -- I deleted everything not absolutely necessary thinking that was what wanted here. So many rules, so

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > As far as I know, Rossi has never said how he controls the device. > I do not recall that he has ever described this. A lot of people think it is by heating up the powder. That does not make a lot of sense to me. > He's said -- or implied -- that he has some amou

[Vo]:RE: More on Radio-iodine

France is the latest to own-up to a blip in radioactivity in recent weeks which goes back in time to an important date. This is an interesting detective story, even if it turns out to be completely unrelated to Oct 28. http://enenews.com/quite-exceptional-france-reveals-detection-of-iodine-131- sa

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

Seriously off-topic. This is one other method used by people who came at the FE scene vehemently by joining the Steorn forum and starting their diversions. On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > >> Owners yes. Users n

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

I wrote: > Edison knew he had solved the problem, but he had a lot of work left, > which meant there was more intellectual property there for the taking. Low > hanging fruit. > It wasn't just the light he invented. It was a host of other things such as improved generators, wiring systems, fuses,

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

Am 15.11.2011 23:11, schrieb Mary Yugo: Inventing new technology is never easy, and it never goes according to plan. People who think Rossi and Defkalion are faking or fooling around because they are late and their devices produce only 470 kW instead of 1 MW know nothing about hi

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

Mary, PLEASE include a line saying who you're replying to in your messages. All reasonable mailers, from T-bird to Outlook, including grody old Evolution, and even Emacs V-mail mode, will do this for you. It's really kind of annoying that you never say whom you're quoting. On 11-11-15 05:11

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On 11-11-15 05:05 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: -He can use more reactant because he has better control. It's just a niggle but I don't think, other than from what Rossi says, we have any sure understanding of how he even purports to control the device. As far as I know, Rossi has never said

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

Peter Heckert wrote: > I did never critizize that he only showed 470 kW. > I realize you did not. I think some people did. > I critizize that he did not demonstrate the temperature and the airflow at > the dissipators. > That he did not document the oil consumption under witnesses. > Sure.

Re: [Vo]:Interesting post on 22passi.blogspot.com

Did "N" come from Rossi or from Sterling Allan and Hank Mills? If the latter, you should not consider it for a moment.

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > Owners yes. Users no. > > And MAC address? > I don't want to belabor this but how would you correlate a MAC address with a particular owner OR user? Without a subpoena or court order? Far as I know the information is not public. Or di

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

I wrote: > He aimed instead to wow the public by putting on displays of lights, that > might actually have been in series, for all anyone could tell. > I believe one of the the first public demonstrations of incandescent lights in series was made by Moses Farmer, in Boston, in 1858, 21 years bef

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

> > Inventing new technology is never easy, and it never goes according to > plan. People who think Rossi and Defkalion are faking or fooling around > because they are late and their devices produce only 470 kW instead of 1 MW > know nothing about history, and nothing about technology. "Only 470 kW

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

> > -He can use more reactant because he has better control. > > It's just a niggle but I don't think, other than from what Rossi says, we have any sure understanding of how he even purports to control the device. While we're on that subject, why is a safety heater needed in a highly exothermic sy

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

Very interesting, indeed, I did not know this all. Thank you very much. Am 15.11.2011 22:54, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert mailto:peter.heck...@arcor.de>> wrote: Rossis demonstrations are as if Edison had drilled a pinhole in a box, put the bulb in and demonstrated that light cam

Re: [Vo]:Demonstration of a lightbulb.

You do not know much about Edison and the history of how he actually demonstrated the light bulb. See the message I just uploaded. Edison's demonstrations were, in fact, less convincing than Rossi's, and they might easily have been faked. He gave his investors heartburn, and he infuriated the s

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

Peter Heckert wrote: > Rossis demonstrations are as if Edison had drilled a pinhole in a box, put > the bulb in and demonstrated that light came out of the pinhole. "Sorry I > cannot show you more, unless you give me a million after succesful > demonstration". > On the contrary, Edison's strate

[Vo]:Demonstration of a lightbulb.

This is a true story. Edison tested many materials, metals all sorts of vegetables and everything until he had success. Finally the lightbulb was ready. It was a little bit unreliable, but it was clear it worked as a prototype. It was clear for Edison, this is a multi million dollar market. It

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

Am 15.11.2011 22:14, schrieb Peter Heckert: Am 15.11.2011 21:36, schrieb Terry Blanton: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:29 AM, wrote: - Original Nachricht Von: David Roberson An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 15.11.2011 16:11 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts I always app

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

Am 15.11.2011 21:36, schrieb Terry Blanton: On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:29 AM, wrote: - Original Nachricht Von: David Roberson An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 15.11.2011 16:11 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts I always appreciate it when someone lays bare their hone

[Vo]:"The Myth of the Innovator Hero"

A good summary of the history of modern electronics: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/11/the-myth-of-the-innovator-hero/248291/ This includes the famous incident I mentioned here, in which Teal dunked a silicon amplifier into boiling oil, and it continued to work. That is another

Re: [Vo]:Interesting post on 22passi.blogspot.com

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:31 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: > Indeed, it's an interesting post about what "N" would seem to stand for. It's where Bruce Maccabee worked. ;-) T

Re: [Vo]:Word of the day

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > Strangely apropos to the continuing "Rossi mystery" is yesterday's entry: > > "Verisimilitude" or the appearance of being true or real ... > > http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/commcomm/2011/nov/14/word-day-verisimilitude/ > > The problem of veri

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > I don't really want to argue homeopathy here unless you are sure it's within > guidelines to do so. The issue is water memory and it is within the realm of allowable subjects for Vortex. T

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:29 AM, wrote: > > > > - Original Nachricht > Von:     David Roberson > An:      vortex-l@eskimo.com > Datum:   15.11.2011 16:11 > Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts > >> >> I always appreciate it when someone lays bare their honest thoughts.  I >> salute

Re: [Vo]:unsubscribe

Send it to vortex-l-requ...@eskimo.com T On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Claudio Eterno wrote: > >

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

Owners yes. Users no. And MAC address? T On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > TCP/IP information is also available to forum owners in many cases.  And it > can be hidden by the user if they use an anonymous proxy server. And you > still need a subpoena to identify the user o

Re: [Vo]:Interesting post on 22passi.blogspot.com

That is interesting. Rossi said he does not want to sell to the military. If he sold this the NRL that would be a major change in his policy. Granted, his policies are not very consistent. The NRL's budget is a tad over $1 billion, so they could afford this. I have no idea whether this is true. I

Re: [Vo]:Interesting post on 22passi.blogspot.com

>From Page: > Interesting post on 22passi.blogspot.com Indeed, it's an interesting post about what "N" would seem to stand for. However, at present information of this sort, particularly from anonymous posters possesses no credibility whatsoever. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.co

[Vo]:Interesting post on 22passi.blogspot.com

Interesting post on 22passi.blogspot.com >From >http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/11/ni-come-national-instrument.html?commentPage=2 > andrew ha detto... Hi everybody, this is the first time I'm actually leaving a comment on this blog but I've been following the intricate debate for a long tim

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > No, he does not claim way more power. Adjusting for the mass of reactant > it is about the same as Fleischmann and Pons boiling experiments. > > > Wait ... Does this mean that the Saturn V didn't actually produce "'way > more power" than my Subaru's 4 cylinder engine,

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > On 11-11-15 12:10 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > >> The total reactor (the ecat) clearly participates in the heating of the >> fluid, so the comparison of the overall power density is relevant. The much >> lower (claimed) overall power de

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On 11-11-15 12:10 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: The total reactor (the ecat) clearly participates in the heating of the fluid, so the comparison of the overall power density is relevant. The much lower (claimed) overall power density coincides with the first demonstration that was not supposed to re

Re: [Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:18 PM, James Bowery wrote: > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > >> 2011/11/15 James Bowery >> >>> If the pressure at the output thermocouple of the Oct 28 demo exceeds >>> the critical pressure of steam at the reported temperature, then there is >>>

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On 11-11-15 11:44 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Mary Yugo mailto:maryyu...@gmail.com>> wrote: Rossi claims way more power and uses different materials. No, he does not claim way more power. Adjusting for the mass of reactant it is about the same as Fleischmann and Pons boiling experiments.

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On 11-11-15 10:31 AM, James Bowery wrote: The pseudoskeptics continually assert that their criticism of those who are investigating Rossi's claims has nothing to do with whether Pons and Fleischmann had any validity to their claims. This rhetorical maneuver denies the obvious Bayesian law of

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

Okay, so if 3.5 million quads are added by solar energy, I should adjust this: World primary energy consumption is roughly 400 quads per year. The US > consumes 100 quads. Solar energy striking the Earth's surface produces > roughly 8.2 million quads per year, 20,500 times more than this. > Solar

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

save your fingers too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zE1LbC4Fvs harry On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:31 AM, James Bowery wrote: > A lot of the keyboard banging could be avoided if folks would simply preface > their comments with 3 attributes: > > Business vs Science viewpoint > Circumstantial vs Di

Re: [Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: > 2011/11/15 James Bowery > >> If the pressure at the output thermocouple of the Oct 28 demo exceeds the >> critical pressure of steam at the reported temperature, then there is no >> heat of vaporization represented in the mass flow hence in

[Vo]:EIA Annual Energy Review 2010

Anyone interested in energy should get this. It is an invaluable resource. 2010 is the latest edition, just published in October 2011 http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/pdf/aer.pdf I printed out a previous version. This one has a lot of new data such as U.S. Government energy consumption.

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

Alan J Fletcher wrote: > > That's the one! The last graph in particular. US only, and doesn't > support my "70%" (except as energy LOSS). > Here is similar data from the EIEA: Primary Energy Consumption by Source and Sector http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/annual/pecss_diagram.cfm I do

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

At 07:31 AM 11/15/2011, James Bowery wrote: The pseudoskeptics continually assert that their criticism of those who are investigating Rossi's claims has nothing to do with whether Pons and Fleischmann had any validity to their claims.  This rhetorical maneuver denies the obvious Bayesian law of p

Re: [Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

2011/11/15 James Bowery > If the pressure at the output thermocouple of the Oct 28 demo exceeds the > critical pressure of steam at the reported temperature, then there is no > heat of vaporization represented in the mass flow hence in the imputed > power level. > > As Stephen Lawrence has emphas

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion, heat from primary energy consumption, and global warming

At 05:52 PM 11/14/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan J Fletcher wrote: Probably this one: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/NRELenergyover.pdf See the last page, from Lawrence Livermore. I have seen more recent ones, and some with more data, but I like this representation. I am big fan of

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > >> >> Let me see if I understand. You're making claims about the amount of >> catalyst present in the cells? Isn't this a bit like counting the angels >> on the head of a pin? >> > > Except that angels do not obey Archim

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > When many experiments in different laboratories all show anomalous heat > from metal hydrides, with Pd, Ni and Ti, most people say they are mutually > supportive. That is why replications are considered valuable. The > similarities seem obvi

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Rossi has consistently maintained that only 1 core device was active during the test. He states that normally there are 3 cores working as a group. I have calculated that these numbers support the expected power of approximately 10 kW per ECAT using data from the October 6 test. Dave

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Right, that's what I meant. It is the part labeled "Reactor" in Higgins' > diagram, which is not to scale: > > http://lenr-canr.org/RossiData/Higgins%20Oct%206%2027kWreactorDiagram4.png > > > That device is where the power leads and hydroge

[Vo]:Word of the day

Strangely apropos to the continuing "Rossi mystery" is yesterday's entry: "Verisimilitude" or the appearance of being true or real ... http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/commcomm/2011/nov/14/word-day-verisimilitude/ The problem of verisimilitude is articulating what it takes for one arguably false t

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > > >> His October 6 demo featured a much larger and heavier device which was >> poorly inspected and had a lower power density than ever before. >> > > What do you mean by that? The power was 8 kW nominal. That is considera

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

Mary Yugo wrote: Benveniste and others disputed that last statement. >> > > This is a bit like the story of Dr. Levi's 18 hour experiment. Why did > they not repeat the whole thing? They did not repeat it because Beveniste died soon after all of this occurred. Also I believe Nature magazine an

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

The LENR phenomenon does exist and has been demonstrated in many tests. Jed can suggest a very large library for the skeptics to read outlining numerous proofs that it is real. It would be ridiculous to suggest that we should wait longer since I think that 20 years is enough time. Dave --

Re: [Vo]:Cold fusion - thoughts

Maybe I should clarify my comment. The reason I think that the extensive testing is important is because they have had an opportunity to verify the LENR beyond all doubt. We do not always have access to enough information and we may be subjected to intentional data misdirection. We can not b

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > James Bowery wrote: > > Can't you just ban this noise-box, Jed? > > > I can't ban anyone. > Then that ends that discussion.

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Mary Yugo wrote: > > Let me see if I understand. You're making claims about the amount of > catalyst present in the cells? Isn't this a bit like counting the angels > on the head of a pin? > Except that angels do not obey Archimedes' law and they are invisible. Far as I know, Rossi has ne

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Mary Yugo wrote: > > That's completely wrong-- both sides of it. If P&F are correct, that does > not mean that Rossi's entirely different claim is correct. > I do not know anyone else who says it is entirely different. When many experiments in different laboratories all show anomalous heat from

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

> > > If it was the cell, isn't it much larger than previous cells? A factor >> of three or more larger? >> > > No, about the same. Plus there are three cells in this one. There is about > the same amount of active Ni catalyst. That is the only meaningful ratio. > The mass or volume of other stu

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Mary Yugo wrote: > Yes, you did miss something. The box with fins was the cell. But I suspect >> you knew that. Please do not play games -- if you did know that, do not >> pretend you did not. >> >> > I don't think so. What I read was that the finned box was another heat > exchanger with three

[Vo]:Imputing pressure at the output thermocouple for Rossi's Oct 28 demo

In the tradition of Alan Fletcher's exemplary skepticism: If the pressure at the output thermocouple of the Oct 28 demo exceeds the critical pressure of steam at the reported temperature, then there is no heat of vaporization represented in the mass flow hence in the imputed power level. We may g

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

well that argument is hard to flush away... On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > >> Mary Yugo wrote: >> >>> >>> The homeopaths never do the experiment even in the face of a million >>> dollar standing prize from James Ran

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

> > > We don't even know what the cell looked like. Rossi did not show it. All >> we saw was a large machine and inside was another box with some fins. Did >> I miss something? >> > > Yes, you did miss something. The box with fins was the cell. But I suspect > you knew that. Please do not play g

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mary Yugo wrote: > >> >> The homeopaths never do the experiment even in the face of a million >> dollar standing prize from James Randi if someone can simply differentiate >> a properly made homeopathic solution from it's solvent by *any* me

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Mary Yugo wrote: > We don't even know what the cell looked like. Rossi did not show it. All > we saw was a large machine and inside was another box with some fins. Did > I miss something? > Yes, you did miss something. The box with fins was the cell. But I suspect you knew that. Please do no

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:53 AM, James Bowery wrote: > Can't you just ban this noise-box, Jed? > I don't mind because it helps make my case about some "believers" but is this not against the rules? Just curious. No need to bother. He makes himself look bad. Hey James, try answering the issu

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

James Bowery wrote: Can't you just ban this noise-box, Jed? I can't ban anyone. This forum belongs to Bill Beaty. The beauty of e-mail systems is that you can selectively ban individual people. If Mary Yugo grates on you too much, just add her to your kill file. Anything I think Yugo's latest

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

> > > >> His October 6 demo featured a much larger and heavier device which was >> poorly inspected and had a lower power density than ever before. >> > > What do you mean by that? The power was 8 kW nominal. That is considerably > higher than some previous demonstrations. The cell was no bigger th

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

disparaging name calling is evidence of exhaustion of sensible, evidence and reason based, responses... many here appreciate Mary Yugo's participation... it is frustrating that the evidence is so messy, which, as many besides Mary mention, is itself a large part of the pattern of the evidence...

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Mary Yugo wrote: > His October 6 demo featured a much larger and heavier device which was > poorly inspected and had a lower power density than ever before. > What do you mean by that? The power was 8 kW nominal. That is considerably higher than some previous demonstrations. The cell was no big

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

In 1992 I evolved a dialogue method for systematically creating and acknowledging expanded states of awareness with other people, which in various systems of awareness evolution are called transmission, induction, blessing, consecration, ordination, initiation, resonance, grace, inspiration, invoc

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

Can't you just ban this noise-box, Jed? On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Mary Yugo wrote: > > The pseudoskeptics continually assert that their criticism of those who >> are investigating Rossi's claims has nothing to do with whether Pons and >> Fleischmann had any validity to their claims. This

Re: [Vo]: Rossi Deserves Our Gratitude

Mary Yugo wrote: > > The homeopaths never do the experiment even in the face of a million > dollar standing prize from James Randi if someone can simply differentiate > a properly made homeopathic solution from it's solvent by *any* means > whatsoever. > That is incorrect. Jacques Benveniste inv

Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards

> The pseudoskeptics continually assert that their criticism of those who > are investigating Rossi's claims has nothing to do with whether Pons and > Fleischmann had any validity to their claims. This rhetorical maneuver > denies the obvious Bayesian law of prior probability distribution: If > P

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