Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread pagnucco
Dave, I am no expert on spin batteries, but I think that the battery material is driven to a stable state of high magnetic energy by subjecting its dipoles to a strong magnetic field. I believe that almost all of the energy at that point is in the magnetic field. I do not know how homogenous

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread Jones Beene
From: David Roberson Jones, If it performed that well, then it would be interesting. That amount of power extracted over such a long time period would represent a large amount of energy. I tend to think of the energy stored in a

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread Jones Beene
To go a bit further .. which is way out on a fragile limb g … in thermodynamics, heat goes to a heat-sink but spin plays no role. In spin-dynamics, spin goes to a spin-sink and heat plays no role. The two should be combined, in order to accurately calculate CoE.

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread David Roberson
Is there a method by which we can measure the amount of energy contained within the spin sources and sinks? In principal I agree with you that there are alternate sources of energy that can be tapped. A good example is the storage of gravitational energy when a mass is placed higher in the

[Vo]:sellng a perpetual-motion magnet toy

2013-04-13 Thread William Beaty
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013, Terry Blanton wrote: Just one other statement. Magnets in repulsion can be made to appear to be successful in a magmo. But the magnets are degraded in each cycle of the motor, much like striking the magnet with a hammer in each cycle. Eventually it fails. That might be

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread William Beaty
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote: Pardon if this is old news, but a 'spin battery' is potentially a very efficient energy source. From the presentation: The Spin Battery -- Stewart E. Barnes http://www.physics.miami.edu/~barnes/SpinBattery.pdf Cool! For non-nanoparticle

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread pagnucco
Though not a direct answer, the following may be relevant: Extracting Work from a Single Heat Bath via Vanishing Quantum Coherence http://www.sciencemag.org/content/299/5608/862.short Extracting Energy from a Single Heat Bath via Vanishing Quantum Coherence: III. Master Equation Derivation

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread pagnucco
I forgot to include this one: Photon steam engines 'Work can be extracted from a single heat bath at the boundary between classical and quantum thermodynamics' http://cm.physics.tamu.edu/cmseminars/cm_talks/2004_04_14_Scully_M.pdf Various conservation laws can be used to extract heat from a

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread Jones Beene
Dave, The energy available from spin appears to be in the range of combustion, for instance; but even if it is less, spin is often convertible in a lossless way – as torque. You can find out more by searching for high-spin molecules, high spin nuclei, and “ferrimagnetism,” not to be confused

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread Analog Fan
How could anyone be surprised that there is negativity towards Sterling's capers? As you pointed out, this is exactly the same as countless free energy scams Sterling has been involved with. The South African trip, Perendev, Mylow, Intelligentry, Green Power - you name it, Sterling's fallen

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread Vorl Bek
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 10:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Analog Fan analogit...@yahoo.com wrote: How could anyone be surprised that there is negativity towards Sterling's capers? As you pointed out, this is exactly the same as countless free energy scams Sterling has been involved with. It's not

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread Jones Beene
Well, back on the farm, they say that even a blind sow finds an acorn once in a while. This story is still unfolding, and perhaps the best thing that can happen to Yildiz now - is to rest his case on the opinion and reputation of Dr. Duarte ... and not to mention the PESN connection. If he can get

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread David Roberson
At least Sterling is having fun! There have been so many failed attempts at infinite energy magnetic motors that it would be an incredible surprise to see one that actually works. I remain skeptical in this field but would love to find out that I am wrong. All I ask is for someone to show

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread David Roberson
I agree that a 5.5 hour run seems a bit longer than expected unless the magnets associated with the experiment contained enough energy to allow this. Do you know whether or not anyone measured the fields of these before and after the run was completed? I recall mention that one or more was

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread Harry Veeder
Don't forget that there are two ways to violate of CoE. Either by the creation of energy or by the destruction energy. Harry On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:54 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: At least Sterling is having fun! There have been so many failed attempts at infinite energy

RE: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread Alan Fletcher
At 11:34 AM 4/13/2013, Jones Beene wrote: I have not heard anything negative so far on Dr. Duarte, who is employed at a fairly prestigious University and has his own reputation on the line. http://pesn.com/2013/04/12/9602294_Yildiz-All-Magnet-Motor_Demo_Report_April-12/ You will see in the

Fwd: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread Eric Walker
Somehow that went straight to Analog -- copying the list. Eric -- Forwarded message -- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down To: Analog Fan analogit...@yahoo.com Hi

[Vo]:hummingbird drone

2013-04-13 Thread Eric Walker
Further to the matter of hummingbird drones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tetyswGyGA This one has a range of 0.5 miles and can stay in flight for 30 minutes (?). The video mentions the contract for them being in the range of 150 or so, which starts making them sound like they're priced

[Vo]:Particle size of photon

2013-04-13 Thread David Roberson
A short exploration of the wave-particle behavior of photons was undertaken and questions have come up that I would like answered. As we are all aware, an electromagnetic wave can be quite large in size. Since there is no lower limit to the frequency of such a wave, it is easy to visualize

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:54:08 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] All I ask is for someone to show me a source of energy that is being depleted as work is being done by a motor and I will listen. If the source of energy is simple as by some form of recharging from the

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread mixent
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:32:54 -0400: Hi, [snip] Don't forget that there are two ways to violate of CoE. Either by the creation of energy or by the destruction energy. Harry That opens an interesting possibility. Suppose that heat could be converted into

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread Alan Fletcher
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Event:2013:Yildiz_Magnet_Motor_Demos#Saturday.2C_April_13.2C_10:20_pm_GMT:_Visit_to_Refuge7 (Starts with some weird Ronny/Refuge7 stuff, which needs a separate thread) Speaking of Mr. Yildiz and the Top 5, his wight [weight?] there is diminishing for the following

Re: [Vo]:Particle size of photon

2013-04-13 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:43:11 -0400 (EDT): Hi, [snip] Calculate the frequency. A short exploration of the wave-particle behavior of photons was undertaken and questions have come up that I would like answered. As we are all aware, an electromagnetic wave

[Vo]:resurrection of Rossi?

2013-04-13 Thread Peter Gluck
Andrea Rossi April 13th, 2013 at 3:41 PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=802cpage=2#comment-676743 Dear Luca Salvarani: 1- I absolutely have no idea of the date of the publication, I am no more in contact with the Professors. They told me after the tests that the publication could be

Re: [Vo]:Particle size of photon

2013-04-13 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 7:43 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: What is the currently accepted size of a photon that behaves as a particle? If one of these passes through our very large slit experiment how would it be detected at one location as with light photons? Could it be

[Vo]:Re: Superheated Bose-Einstein condensate exists above critical temperature

2013-04-13 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: Superheated Bose-Einstein condensate exists above critical temperature April 10, 2013 by Lisa Zyga Physicists created a BEC that can persist at up to 1.5 times hotter than the critical temperature at which it

Re: [Vo]:Particle size of photon

2013-04-13 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: to an observer much smaller and more quickly moving than the gamma ray photon, the gamma photon will behave in the manner of the radio wave photon in our frame of reference. By more quickly moving, I'm thinking not of velocity, but of time slices -- the small little thing gets a lot

Re: [Vo]:Yildiz motor in Geneva -- ran 5.5 hours then broke down

2013-04-13 Thread David Roberson
Alan, You mention that it takes more than technology to make a successful product introduction. That is very true. Has anyone figured out a theory as to where the energy comes from to drive the motor? Are the magnets depleted with time? I recall an earlier discussion about slowly taking

Re: [Vo]:Particle size of photon

2013-04-13 Thread David Roberson
OK Robin, The frequency of a 1 kilometer wavelength radiated signal would be as follows: (f = c / wavelength). or in this case f = 300 million meters per second / 1000 meters or 300 kilohertz. This is a legitimate frequency that can be radiated with the proper antenna. So how big is the