Oh I forgot again, could a "Jones readable" Vo reply to this so he gets it?
Thanks.
Michel
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From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:52 AM
Subject: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency e
Jones Beene wrote:
Stephen
If there are violations of the second law waiting to be employed, I
think we can be reasonably sure they won't use either heat pumps or
heat engines as their "prime movers".
Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think what you meant to say was:
"If there are
Stephen
If there are violations of the second law waiting to be employed, I
think we can be reasonably sure they won't use either heat pumps or heat
engines as their "prime movers".
Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think what you meant to say was:
"If there are violations of the sec
Michel Jullian wrote:
OK thanks Jones, Ron et al. I could have gone on and on like this,
describing encouraging experimental results maybe, raising millions
perhaps, but I'll put an end to my little joke, which was in reality
a challenge to the group's thermodynamics skills, nothing against the
OU after all?
Michel
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From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)
> Michel Jullian wrote:
>
>
>>> My scheme simply can N
Jones;
Why play with him, he is only learning to spread his wings?
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:08 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)
Michel Jullian wrote
Michel Jullian wrote:
My scheme simply can NOT work as I realized before I even posted it, because
the absolute max efficiency of a heat pump, which depends only on the absolute
temperatures of the hot and cold sources, is exactly equal to one over the
absolute max efficiency of a heat engine w
Michel Jullian wrote:
> OK thanks Jones, Ron et al. I could have gone on and on like this, describing
> encouraging experimental results maybe, raising millions perhaps, but I'll put
> an end to my little joke, which was in reality a challenge to the group's
> thermodynamics skills, nothing agains
bject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency
electrolysis)
OK thanks Jones, Ron et al. I could have gone on and on like this,
describing encouraging experimental results maybe, raising millions perhaps,
but I'll put an end to my little joke, which was in reality a challenge to
t
r hurt anybody in any way.
Michel
- Original Message -
From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)
> Ron,
>
>> For example the Jandy Model AE 250
Ron,
For example the Jandy Model AE 2500 claims COP 5.4, while the Ice Breaker
Model H100R is rated at 5.6 and its big brother at 6.1, or
http://www.sortprice.com/search-CQ-Pool_and_Spa-Heat_Pump which all have
claims of COP's that are higher.
Wow, I had no idea that they were getting that kin
hat ( W/Qh = Qh-Qc/Qh )
would apply.
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 9:31 AM
To: vortex
Subject: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)
Michel Jullian wrote,
> Sterling draws 1000W heat from
Michel Jullian wrote,
Sterling draws 1000W heat from hot reservoir (not necessarily water
BTW) and outputs 150W mechanical. Heat pump draws 150W*9=1350W from ambient air and outputs them to the
hot tank. Net power into the hot tank: 350W
The figure of COP=9 may have occurred in print, or in
>> Net power into the hot tank: 350W
>>
>> Anything wrong with this Jones? ;-) (someone "read" by Jones please answer
>> this post so he gets it, thanks)
>>
>> Michel
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Harry Veeder" <[EM
> Michel
>
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> From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)
>
>
>> What happens when you begin to use
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Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 4:48 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency
electrolysis)
When you begin to use the heat from the hot reservoir (launch the Sterling)
it would tend to cool down from the thermal watts you draw from it, but
uot; by Jones please answer
this post so he gets it, thanks)
Michel
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From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)
> What happens when you
rom: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:15 PM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)
>
>
> OK, if the MIBs didn't intercept my posts which they probably didn't (no one
>
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From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 8:15 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)
OK, if the MIBs didn't intercept my posts which they probably didn't (no one
has knocked at my door
OK, if the MIBs didn't intercept my posts which they probably didn't (no one
has knocked at my door yet), it must be that my scheme was simply not clear
enough to provoke feedback. I'll try and make it clearer through a practical
embodiment:
Say we have an insulated hot water reservoir, pre-hea
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