Re: [Vo]:Double phase-change

2008-07-30 Thread thomas malloy
Jones Beene wrote: --- thomas malloy wrote: Phase change I understand, but how does this relate to cohering the ZPE? Think about water and steam and the supercritical overlap of the two. This is where things are not well understood and anomalies happen. This page on Wiki is a good in

Re: [Vo]:Double phase-change

2008-07-30 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Jones, SCWO has been around for awhile. UT-Austin, Huntsman( had taken over the Texaco Research lab in Austin), U of Michigan and General Atomic were "involved" in a research program funded by "uncle sugar" back awhile. Dumb me became interested in all the claims published regarding this "

Re: [Vo]:Double phase-change

2008-07-30 Thread Jones Beene
--- thomas malloy wrote: > Phase change I understand, but how does this relate > to cohering the ZPE? Good question, and there is no assurance at all that it does. But in general there is such a large difference in volume between a gas and a liquid of the same molecule- as much as 3000:1 and th

[Vo]:Re: [Vo] Double phase-change

2008-07-30 Thread Jones Beene
uld have some promise. It may > happen. It may not happen," he said.>> > > This doesn't look like a product announcement for > next month I am afraid! > > Michel > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Re: [Vo]:Double phase-change

2008-07-30 Thread thomas malloy
Jones Beene wrote: --- Michael My comments about double phase-change and ZPE are a secondary interpretation of "filtered" information The amount of energy required to move a car 160 KM seems high, and the amount of energy in a tank of compressed air seems low. I mean why would any sane o

Re: [Vo]:Double phase-change

2008-07-30 Thread R C Macaulay
ge too far.. Richard - Original Message - From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "vortex" Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Double phase-change --- Michael My comments about double phase-change and ZPE are a secondary interpretatio

Re: [Vo]:Double phase-change

2008-07-30 Thread Jones Beene
ative braking that would be > far more efficient than for an electric car or a > hybrid gasoline car. > > M. > > > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Jones Beene > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: [Vo]:Double phase

Re: [Vo]:Double phase-change

2008-07-29 Thread Michael Foster
electric car or a hybrid gasoline car. M. --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [Vo]:Double phase-change > To: "vortex" > Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 5:12 PM > It is arguable that the

[Vo]:Double phase-change

2008-07-29 Thread Jones Beene
It is arguable that the "virtual"explosion (shock wave) in the Negre compressed air engine of the Tata operates gainfully to somehow cohere ZPE ! Robin has mentioned that the engine gets extra energy from ambient, which is almost the same thing, in one POV- but I think there is more than just add