Hi,
I typed up some notes that come from an email exchange between Robin
and myself. They are about the possibility of the forced "decay" of
isotopes that do not normally undergo alpha decay (emission of a
helium-4 nucleus).
Eric
This briefly describes a possible alpha decay channel in otherw
I would like to draw an interesting cross-connection to the discussion below.
There was a suggestion one time that Papp used an alpha emitter in his noble
gas fuel. Perhaps his engine operated by stimulating he decay of this alpha
emitter, and any quasi-stable alpha emitters that might have be
myself are skeptical of the Papp engine itself. There is no need to define
something that does not actually exist.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l
Sent: Mon, Oct 12, 2015 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes
I
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:37 AM, David Roberson wrote:
> Normal gasoline engines operate on the high pressure gases that are
> generated when the fuel burns causing an increase to its temperature.
Since there was no exhaust outlet in the Papp engine, I wonder whether
a general increase in tempe
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:13:40 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>One thought here is that the prompt alpha particles partially ionized
>the noble gasses, and that the excited electrons relaxed back into
>levels above the ground state, causing the size of the atoms to be
>larger.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 9:03 PM, wrote:
> The real question is where did the energy come from to create the plasma?
In the scenario we're considering here, the energy came from the
induced decay of an alpha emitter that was introduced into the Papp
engine.
Eric
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:17:34 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 9:03 PM, wrote:
>
>> The real question is where did the energy come from to create the plasma?
>
>In the scenario we're considering here, the energy came from the
>induced decay of an alpha
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:30 PM, wrote:
> I doubt there was enough of it (but I'm just guessing).
If he knew our trick, one of these naturally occurring isotopes might
have done the trick:
142Ce 143Nd 144Nd 145Nd 146Nd 147Sm
148Nd 148Sm 149Sm 150Sm 152Gd 152Sm
154Gd 156D
I wrote:
If he knew our trick, one of these naturally occurring isotopes might
> have done the trick:
>
Since tungsten is in the list, and in our day to day experience it does not
decay under alpha decay when we excited it with electrons, I'm guessing the
Q value has to be above a certain thresho
It seems like a reciprocating Papp engine would need to have a cyclic
pressurization, not something the continually increases pressure as you are
describing. I thought the reported mechanism had a way to catalyze
pressure increase electrically and then the pressure returned to the prior
lower pres
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Bob Higgins
wrote:
It seems like a reciprocating Papp engine would need to have a cyclic
> pressurization, not something the continually increases pressure as you are
> describing. I thought the reported mechanism had a way to catalyze
> pressure increase electri
I wrote:
Interesting speculation: when Feynman pulled the power chord on the engine
> and it continued to run, what he disabled was a coolant system.
>
I suppose he might have both pulled a power cord and a power chord.
Eric
ticle numbers followed by a return to it initial
composition in this type of environment.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l
Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2015 10:38 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:13 AM
by a return to it
> initial composition in this type of environment.
>
> Dave
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Eric Walker
> To: vortex-l
> Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2015 10:38 am
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes
>
> On T
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 00:43:45 -0500:
Hi Eric,
I meant, "I doubt there was enough of it in the engine". One of his patents
might tell you how much was used.
>On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:30 PM, wrote:
>
>> I doubt there was enough of it (but I'm just guessing).
>
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 01:31:18 -0500:
Hi,
Generally speaking the fission barrier gets lower as the element gets heavier,
which is why 235U can be split with a single neutron.
>I wrote:
>
>If he knew our trick, one of these naturally occurring isotopes might
>> ha
In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:58:14 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>
>I agree with what you guys are saying about some form of cyclic pressure
>function. Of course I can imagine that a significant temperature pulse might
>be present when the piston is near its maximum compress
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 14:18:46 -0600:
Hi,
Energy is released as the condensate forms. In order to get it to return to a
normal gas, you should need to put the same amount of energy back in again.
[snip]
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/
I don't recall that Holmlid described the formation of the dense hydrogen
as an extremely exothermic process. As I recall it described, H2 was
simply catalyzed and flowed onto the surface where the ultra-dense hydrogen
film spontaneously formed. Also, it doesn't make sense that this extremely
com
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From: mix...@bigpond.com
In reply to Bob Higgins's message:
> Energy is released as the condensate forms. In order to get it to return
to a normal gas, you should need to put the same amount of energy back in
again.
You seem to be conflating Holmlid with CQM, Robin.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:58 PM, David Roberson wrote:
We need a better understanding of exactly what happens to a gas which
> undergoes a rapid increased to particle numbers followed by a return to it
> initial composition in this type of environment.
>
I was thinking in terms of an "adiabatic"
One more arcane point on this apparent conflict between Mills and Holmlid:
For Holmlid the ultradense species occurs in one step and its chemical
binding energy is in the range of -50 eV maximum.
If we go back 20 years to Thermacore, and some of the most convincing work
ever done in LENR, there i
:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes
...snip
Plasma recombination will release a lot of heat
(multiple eV / atom - probably
several times normal chemical reaction energy on
average). The pressure increase
as a consequence of this heat is likely to far
o
Bob,
The ultradense species could be too problematic to manufacture in situ
especially in an automobile where weight is a concern. And really, if the
chemical energy is high, there is no need to look beyond it.
Apparently the rate of production is low in terms of mass of IRH per unit of
o the mechanical energy extracted from the piston movement plus
the heat absorbed by the cooling system that allows the device to operate.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l
Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2015 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-s
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes
Bob,
The ultradense species could be too problematic to manufacture in situ
especially in an automobile where weight is a concern. And really, if the
chemical energy is high, there is no need to look beyond it
Dave,
I haven’t seen any calculation for the energy to densify. He does say it takes
only pressure, time and moderate temperature. Unlike Mills, Holmlid is not
secretive and is open to outside contact and these questions will be asked.
As you say, Holmlid and Mills cannot both be correct.
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 15:59:50 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
>
In that case you wouldn't get much back when it "exploded" either would you?
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 15:13:20 -0700:
Hi Jones,
[snip]
>-Original Message-
>From: mix...@bigpond.com
>
>In reply to Bob Higgins's message:
>
>> Energy is released as the condensate forms. In order to get it to return
>to a normal gas, you should need to pu
In reply to David Roberson's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:38:25 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>
>>Due to breakup of medium to large hydrocarbon
>molecules in a gasoline engine,
>the number of particles increases there too.
>Also, formation of water molecules
>results in a single O2 molecule becoming two
>wa
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 8:42 PM, wrote:
..so Feynman pulled the plug on a non-existent engine, that then can't
> possibly
> have exploded (because it didn't exist), and hence there was no ensuing
> court
> case? ;)
>
I think the question that history will be the judge of is whether it was a
/nob
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:27:54 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>In this case, it seems like the release of energy of the alpha emitter is
>efficiently transmitted into mechanical energy by way of the expanding
>ionized gas. Any increase in temperature as the gas recondenses will
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
> You seem to be conflating Holmlid with CQM, Robin.
Actually I was conflating it with IRH. Regardless, if one wants to get
energy from somewhere, then an explanation of the source of that energy
needs to be found.
If 50 eV UV is released fro
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:47:08 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
>On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 8:42 PM, wrote:
>
>..so Feynman pulled the plug on a non-existent engine, that then can't
>> possibly
>> have exploded (because it didn't exist), and hence there was no ensuing
>> court
>> ca
http://www.google.com/patents/US3977191
The AIROPS engine is a noble gas engine like the Papp engine. This uses UV
to produce plasma expansion just like Holmlid does.
The heart of the Papp engine was the production of excess electrons that
was used to drive the spark that moved the other piston.
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 3:33 PM, wrote:
Generally speaking the fission barrier gets lower as the element gets
> heavier,
> which is why 235U can be split with a single neutron.
>
Bob (Cook),
In your days working with/in connection with nuclear reactors, were there
any anecdotes about strange t
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:23 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
http://www.google.com/patents/US3977191
>
> The AIROPS engine is a noble gas engine like the Papp engine.
>
I noticed that Robert Gordon Britt, the author of the patent, did not refer
to Papp's patents as prior art. I was unable to determine whe
Note that Holmlid is reporting particles with ">10 MeV/u", or 10 MeV per
atomic unit. This is a measure of velocity. Holmlid measured particles
that traversed 0.64 meters in 13 ns. This corresponds to a velocity of
4.9E7 m/c or 0.16c.
This is NOT a measured ENERGY. If he also measured the ener
I thought that the energic particles the Holmlid saw are fragments of the
hydrogen nanoparticle that he produced via the catalyst.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Bob Higgins
wrote:
> Note that Holmlid is reporting particles with ">10 MeV/u", or 10 MeV per
> atomic unit. This is a measure of v
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Bob Higgins
wrote:
This is NOT a measured ENERGY. If he also measured the energy, then he
> could have solved for the particle mass and would have had a much easier
> time identifying the particle. IF - you PRESUME that the particle is a
> muon, then the energy
I wrote:
Needless to say, if the particles end up being resolved to baryons, we're
> dealing with energies that correspond to nuclear reactions.
>
I take that back -- your point was that they're normalized masses and not
particle energies. Point grasped now. :) (I'm a little slow today.)
Eric
When nanoparticles that are comprised of a thausand atoms explode due to
coulomb explosion, they produce 1.5 MeV. Look it up...
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
> I wrote:
>
> Needless to say, if the particles end up being resolved to baryons, we're
>> dealing with energies th
I looked it up for you.
http://www.tau.ac.il/~jortner/Publications/Pub601-/630.pdf
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
> When nanoparticles that are comprised of a thausand atoms explode due to
> coulomb explosion, they produce 1.5 MeV. Look it up...
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 a
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Bob Higgins
wrote:
This is NOT a measured ENERGY. If he also measured the energy, then he
> could have solved for the particle mass and would have had a much easier
> time identifying the particle. IF - you PRESUME that the particle is a
> muon, then the energy
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
When nanoparticles that are comprised of a thausand atoms explode due to
> coulomb explosion, they produce 1.5 MeV. Look it up...
>
I wasn't aware that "Coulomb explosions" were a thing -- thank you for
pointing this out.
If you're referring to
Holmlid said:
"Previous results from laser-induced processes in ultra-dense deuterium
D(0) give conclusive evidence for ejection of neutral massive particles
with energy >10 MeV u−1. Such particles can only be formed from nuclear
processes like nuclear fusion at the low laser intensity used."
Hol
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:36:58 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>I looked it up for you.
>
>http://www.tau.ac.il/~jortner/Publications/Pub601-/630.pdf
The energies I saw mentioned in this paper were meV not MeV. IOW milli-eV not
Mega-eV. That's smaller by a factor of 1 billion.
>
Both of you appear to be off by a factor of 1000 and this paper does not
deal with large clusters anyway.
And most importantly - this was a simulation. There is no evidence of this
kind of explosion actually happening in the real world. In fact, it would be
nearly impossible to fully ionize a clus
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Both of you appear to be off by a factor of 1000 and this paper does not
> deal with large clusters anyway.
>
> And most importantly - this was a simulation.
As soon as I realized the paper was a theoretical calculation, I did a
search for Co
might
synchronize local energy release of plasma bubbles nearing their threshold.
Fran
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From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 10:14 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable
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It seems like a reciprocating Papp engine would need to have a cyclic
pressurization, not something
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