Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:11:56 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Anyway - This potential problem in LENR, which will certainly get the NRC >involved eventually - is due to three separate factors. > >1) neutrons - if SPAWAR and others are correct. >Even a few neutrons are problema

RE: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-21 Thread Jones Beene
Robin, Thanks. Right you are, wrt 39Ar Goes to show ya' that one should never try to compose such messages from memory, without going back to notes. However, the main point that I was shooting at in that posting, should have been obvious and is unchanged: there is a much greater probability f

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:54:26 -0700: Hi, [snip] >23Na --> 24Mg >- or argon to potassium, >39Ar --> 40K (which is mildly radioactive) There is no 39Ar. Only the stable isotopes exist, i.e. 36, 38, and 40, with the overwhelming majority being 40Ar. The reaction

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, Mike Carrell mounted the barricade and roared out: > grok is indeed a "Stranger in a Strange Land" Let's see how patronizing you people are when you need to trundle your wheelbarrow out of your garden shed just to make a trip

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread Mike Carrell
grok is indeed a "Stranger in a Strange Land" - Original Message - From: "grok" To: Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt . Fact is, the 'MiB' have more-or-less existed ever since J.P. Morgan & Co

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, mix...@bigpond.com mounted the barricade and roared out: > >However, to publicly > >speculate about such a possibility might be considered so disruptive > >to the economic fabric of our society that I wonder if McKubre > >delib

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Mon, 20 Apr 2009 12:36:58 -0400: Hi, [snip] >On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:28 AM, OrionWorks wrote: > >> This is, of course, the same strategy that BLP is attempting to >> exploit. Economically speaking, it is less disruptive if one includes >> the white elepha

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread mixent
In reply to OrionWorks's message of Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:28:20 -0500: Hi, [snip] >However, to publicly >speculate about such a possibility might be considered so disruptive >to the economic fabric of our society that I wonder if McKubre >deliberately chose not to go there. [snip] You mention "disru

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread grok
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the smoke cleared, OrionWorks mounted the barricade and roared out: > Actually, IMO, even if it is technically plausible to get every > building off the grid and completely self sufficient there are valid > reasons to maintain some kind of a loca

RE: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread Jones Beene
Let me refine the previous posting with this reworded and conditional paragraph, not that it will be any less provocative to either camp: *Given that both hydino-tech and LENR may involve QM reactions of hydrogen within the confines of a host element (i.e. the "energy hole"), if either technology

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > 1) the one which requires a very expensive feedstock (deuterium) and leaves > some radioactive transmutation products, including tritium - or > > 2) the one which requires only water and (apparently) leaves no radioactive > footprint Ah hah!

RE: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: 1) the one which requires a very expensive feedstock (deuterium) and leaves some radioactive transmutation products, including tritium - or 2) the one which requires only water and (apparently) leaves no radioactive footprint Not to rain on anyone's timely parade (60 Minute'

RE: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton & OrionWorks wrote: > This is, of course, the same strategy that BLP is attempting to > exploit. Economically speaking, it is less disruptive if one includes > the white elephant. Being an engineer and always seeking reliability, I will have a CF gen

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread OrionWorks
>From Ed Storms: ... > All we need now is the knowledge to make it > work on a large scale. If you think the present > economic problems are bad, wait until people > realize that most of the major cooperations would > go bankrupt as their products become worthless. > Another example of being car

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread Edmund Storms
You hit on the essential consequence of CF, Steven. This power source could replace all other power sources everywhere and give the Third world the same benefit the First World has, but at much less expense. It would replace the grid and most of the pipelines that carry gas and gasoline.

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:28 AM, OrionWorks wrote: > This is, of course, the same strategy that BLP is attempting to > exploit. Economically speaking, it is less disruptive if one includes > the white elephant. Being an engineer and always seeking reliability, I will have a CF generator with a

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread OrionWorks
Something else that piqued my interest: McKubre's highly optimist prediction of being able to manufacture CF power cells possibly within 20 years seemed carefully worded. What I mean by that is that if these power cells can indeed be economically manufactured, particularly for the excessive power

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Garwin's statement was mind boggling. As Ed says, 60 Minutes did us a favor by airing his comment. McKubre's response was good. I would have exploded! Perhaps, if I had been the interviewer, I might have had the presence of mind to ask Garwin: "If this is an error measuring input, how do you e

Re: [Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread Edmund Storms
Garwin is living proof that he and all skeptics by association are completely irrational. 60 Minutes was very clever in showing this side of the issue without appearing to take sides. At the same time, the believers were shown to be intelligent, open minded and rational. All propaganda h

[Vo]:Living proof that there is doubt

2009-04-20 Thread OrionWorks
>From Steven Krivit: > http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2009/60MinutesColdFusion.shtml Excerpt: "...no doubt that anomalous excess heat is produced in these experiments." - Internal memo - DARPA 02-21-2007 - "New Physical Effects in Metal Deuterides" ...and from a prior post: > We''ll see wha