[Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Harry Veeder
The excess power estimate of the test run is based on a higher temperature reading of the outer surface of the glass as compared to a lower temperature reading during the calibration runs However, someone named ECCO has noticed that the temperature of the inner glass surface is the same in the

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/177-write-up-of-eu-cell-baselines If the higher temperature on the outer surface is not an artifact, wouldn't you expect the inner surface temperature to be somewhat higher as well? Yup. I am sure it

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Craig
I'm not seeing the problem. The highest temperature in the calibration runs for T-GlassIn, at this power level, was about 125C. During this live run, the temperature appears to be about 5 C above that. Craig On 12/14/2012 03:00 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Craig
Correction! I didn't realize that they had upped the power to 54 watts. Craig On 12/14/2012 03:14 PM, Craig wrote: I'm not seeing the problem. The highest temperature in the calibration runs for T-GlassIn, at this power level, was about 125C. During this live run, the temperature appears to

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
In their 12/12/12 Progress Blog posting, MFMP stated that there was a dleliberate error in the data viewer, and challenged people to spot it. *We have a “deliberate mistake” in the data viewer, if you are sober enough at this time in the day, we challenge you to spot it. * Did anyone ever find

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-12-14 21:24, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: Did anyone ever find it? It's Power (Red) (bar) instead of Power (Red) (W). Bars instead of watts. Red is the active wire. Cheers, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Craig
On 12/14/2012 03:24 PM, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: In their 12/12/12 Progress Blog posting, MFMP stated that there was a dleliberate error in the data viewer, and challenged people to spot it. *We have a “deliberate mistake” in the data viewer, if you are sober enough at this time in the day, we

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/177-write-up-of-eu-cell-baselines If the higher temperature on the outer surface is not an artifact, wouldn't you expect the inner

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Is everyone taking into account the fact that the graphs for T_Glassout are actually (T_Glassout - T_Ambient), while the graph for T_Glassin is the raw T_Glassin and is not corrected for ambient? Or at least so they are labeled. Jeff On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Harry Veeder

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Craig
On 12/14/2012 03:53 PM, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: Is everyone taking into account the fact that the graphs for T_Glassout are actually (T_Glassout - T_Ambient), while the graph for T_Glassin is the raw T_Glassin and is not corrected for ambient? Or at least so they are labeled. Jeff I don't

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
The difference between T_Mica and T_GlassIn seems to be about 5 degrees larger than it was during calibration. I put the details in the progress blog comments. Jeff On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/14/2012 03:53 PM, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: Is

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Craig
On 12/14/2012 05:17 PM, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: The difference between T_Mica and T_GlassIn seems to be about 5 degrees larger than it was during calibration. I put the details in the progress blog comments. Jeff Where do you see T_Mica for the calibration runs? Craig

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread David Roberson
I spotted it, but I just thought it was a mistake made in haste. Dave -Original Message- From: Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 3:29 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface. On 12/14/2012 03

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: The difference between T_Mica and T_GlassIn seems to be about 5 degrees larger than it was during calibration. I suppose . . . if all of the temperature sensors show an increase except T_Glassin, that sensor might be malfunctioning. But I doubt it. When a

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread David Roberson
as reflected in the outer glass temperature. Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 3:40 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface. On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: They need to run the power into each wire sequentially at the same level for long enough to see if there is a difference between the two. I suggested a 1 hour run into the inactive, immediately followed by 1 hour of active wire drive, then followed up

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread David Roberson
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Dec 14, 2012 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface. David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: They need to run the power into each wire sequentially at the same

Re: [Vo]:MFMP: Temperature of inner glass surface.

2012-12-14 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Agree. No idea what's really going on. For example, the calibration numbers I posted came from a 1-bar 100% H calibration run. Are they now running 100%H or 75%H / 25%Ar in the cell? If the latter, is it enough to account for the apparent 5C degree difference? I'm not making any claims, that is