Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-13 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
In prompto of your argument I try to get a discussion about especially the nature of charge and that of a charge at a orbitsphere. Maybe you'll find the argument interessting, have fun! Hi, Many people have fundamental issues with accepting that the law of the atom is following a non smooth rule

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-12 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Nice pictures! With data fitted theory you still can make predictions when you interpolate, I use it all the time. No need to throw away anything. But it is dishonest of society to ignore Mills, as I pointed out there is nothing written that are pointing towards an error e.g. ed. 2014 page 12 equa

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: Yep, this is exactly the problem, you have two incomplete models that same > the same thing. It's a mystery ... > Allow me to point to some additional, beautiful images of excited Rydberg states that one wi

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-12 Thread Ron Wormus
Axil, Some of the best evidence for Mill's hydrinos come form his plasma experiments...no condensed matter involved. Ron --On Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:38 AM -0500 Axil Axil wrote: The lack of proof that anti-hydrinos exist tells me that the hydrino is not a fundamental particle but a

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Yep, this is exactly the problem, you have two incomplete models that same the same thing. It's a mystery, Mills did research a lot of how QM has been used and claim to found serious iissues. But I'm not too sure that they are incomplete either, there are a bunch of math theorems that states that s

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: Did you look at the address, goes to blacklight power!!! > I have no reason to doubt that the rebuttal came from Blacklight Power. My guess is that an employee or fan wrote it up, and Mills signed off on i

[Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread pjvannoorden
wanted to look into it theory of R.Mills. I tried for about 10 years! Peter From: Jones Beene Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 6:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Re: QM rant From: pjvannoor...@caiway.nl I couldnt agree more with what you say. It is really strange that almost

[Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread pjvannoorden
: Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:06 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe wrote: Did you read my last email? Rathke stated a critique, Mills answered it. Interesting PDF file. It has Mills as the author, and it talks about

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Did you look at the address, goes to blacklight power!!! If you does not trust the rebutal, let me than explain what the problem with rathkes paper is. Mills patches solution to the Maxwell equation inside and outside the sphere, or an ellipsoid if the hydrogene is moving, The patch is so that yo

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: > Did you read my last email? Rathke stated a critique, Mills answered it. > Interesting PDF file. It has Mills as the author, and it talks about Mills in the third person. Looks like ghostwriting, but t

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Did you read my last email? Rathke stated a critique, Mills answered it. To me that doesn't look like Mills is mute. You would not get a debate like a presidential debate though, that's a stupid way to debate. No there would of cause be an exchange of letters postings or papers. Mills has indeed an

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: It is a shame that we don't have a serious heated debate between nobell > lauriates and Mills regarding these matters, it would be a great show. In > stead there is a speaking nothing. > Mills would not say

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:07 AM, leaking pen wrote: Experimental evidence always trumps theory. > > I need that on a bumpersticker. I might want one of those. Eric

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
do we know as >> compared to that which we do not know nor have any concept about? If we >> understand a mere 1% of the total I am in awe of the field of study. >> >> Just my few cents worth. >> >> Dave >> >> >> -Original Message- >&g

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
rth. > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: Stefan Israelsson Tampe > To: vortex-l > Sent: Sun, Jan 11, 2015 12:47 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant > > The thing this is a mystery, How come you get so good and accurate > results from both the theori

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread David Roberson
ginal Message- From: Stefan Israelsson Tampe To: vortex-l Sent: Sun, Jan 11, 2015 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant The thing this is a mystery, How come you get so good and accurate results from both the theories, if you are correct they would be an epsilon appart and the first

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread James Bowery
See Goedecke's 1964 paper. On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Stefan Israelsson Tampe < stefan.ita...@gmail.com> wrote: > The thing this is a mystery, How come you get so good and accurate results > from both the theories, if you are correct they would be an epsilon appart > and the first > thing

RE: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Jones Beene
From: pjvannoor...@caiway.nl I couldnt agree more with what you say. It is really strange that almost nobody is looking into the theory of R.Mills. That is not correct. Several commenters here give Mills some credit - at least partial credit. But maybe we are “nobodies” so OK, no pro

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
The thing this is a mystery, How come you get so good and accurate results from both the theories, if you are correct they would be an epsilon appart and the first thing theoretical physics should do is to try understand this epsilon and be able to deduce it, i tried, and could not find that epsilo

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Axil Axil
Quantum mechanics applies to fundamental particles. A special case of QM applies to hydrinos in the same why that a special case of QM applies to cooper pairs of electrons, CQM is analogous to super conductor theory. Care in thinking must be applied to applying this sort of theory. Mis-application

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
Yes or even better, KISS = KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. this is what I'm head banging to. On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:07 PM, leaking pen wrote: > *Experimental evidence always trumps theory.* > > *I need that on a bumpersticker. * > > > On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:19 AM, wrote: > >> Hello Stefan >> >>

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread leaking pen
*Experimental evidence always trumps theory.* *I need that on a bumpersticker. * On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:19 AM, wrote: > Hello Stefan > > I couldnt agree more with what you say. It is really strange that almost > nobody > is looking into the theory of R.Mills. I presented Mills theory a f

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Stefan Israelsson Tampe
The hydrino is a variant of the hydrogen atom. It is never claimed by Mills to be a fundamental particle. Hence it needs so low energy so that you can maintain the bound You can't find it using collisions of high energy, which is where most bucks these days is targeted at. If you knock the hydrino

Re: [Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread Axil Axil
The lack of proof that anti-hydrinos exist tells me that the hydrino is not a fundamental particle but a quasi-particle produced under the interactions of other multiple electrons. This is also true for cooper pairs of electrons. A fundamental particle always has an anti-particle. This hydrino quas

[Vo]:Re: QM rant

2015-01-11 Thread pjvannoorden
Hello Stefan I couldnt agree more with what you say. It is really strange that almost nobody is looking into the theory of R.Mills. I presented Mills theory a few years ago to a Nobel price winner in the Netherlands. He got angry. Somehow Quantum Physics took the wrong way. It was really at the