A couple of people have noted a strange thing about the configuration of the
mini Rossi device. See figure 3 in the EK report:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/EssenHexperiment.pdf
The report says: At the end of the horizontal section there is an auxiliary
electric heater to initialize the burning
I have a theory that the heater internal to the SS reaction cell produces
nuclear reactions electrostatically. See thread: *Negative hydrogen (H-)
ions make all the difference. *This heater inside the SS reaction cell must
always be present in the Rossi design to provide electrostatic stimulation
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a red wire on the
bottom powering it.
Where's the other wire? The black one to go with the red one? Is the
copper pipe Vreturn?
T
Axil Axil wrote:
I have a theory that the heater internal to the SS reaction cell
produces nuclear reactions electrostatically. See thread: *Negative
hydrogen (H-) ions make all the difference. *This heater inside the SS
reaction cell must always be present in the Rossi design to provide
The configuration might not be strange at all.
One possible explanation:
My take is that Rossi's e-kitten reactor cell might NOTbe positioned
within the center of the copper pipe. The reactor cell might
actually have been engineered in the shape of cylinder, or a ring that
fits snugly adjacent
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From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 4:11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Strange position of heater in mini-Rossi device
The configuration might not be strange at all.
One possible
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
The reactor cell might actually have been engineered in the shape of
cylinder, or a ring that fits snugly adjacent within the external wall of
the copper tube. Keep in mind: The copper tubing does appear to be fatter at
the reactor
The small Cat-E design would be optimized if the external band heater warmed
the surface of the SS reaction cell (SSRC) evenly without any hot spots on
the surface of the SSRC since stainless steel is not very thermally
conductive. This requires a heat exchanger like honeycomb structure of
copper
From Jed:
You mean, the cell is a torus? With the cooling water flowing
through the middle?
Yes.
I believe that is what Ed Storms may have concluded. (I don't
speak for him.) I thought there might be a problem getting the
powder into a torus, because you can't access the bottom, but
I wrote:
You mean, the cell is a torus? With the cooling water flowing through the
middle?
The problem with that would be: Why bother putting the copper shell around
the steel cell? If it is a torus, you can dispense with the copper shell,
and put the heater directly on the outside of the
The external heat could be used only during startup when a lot of heat is
required. In steady state operations, during normal operating conditions,
only the internal heater is used.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
From Jed:
You
On 2011-04-21 21:37, Jed Rothwell wrote:
[...]
I do not know what to make of it.
Maybe I'm looking too much into it, but I often wonder if the name
Energy Catalyzer chosen by Rossi isn't itself a hint regarding the
internal reactor construction. Given that his English language skill
isn't
In a torus, the internal heater would be difficult to impossible to position
correctly, i.e. in the center.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
I wrote:
You mean, the cell is a torus? With the cooling water flowing through the
middle?
The problem
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
. . . such a configuration strikes me as being extremely inefficient
thermally speaking. Only the heat radiating within the central ring of the
reactor will transfer to the flowing water. Reactor heat radiating away from
the
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
In a torus, the internal heater would be difficult to impossible to position
correctly, i.e. in the center.
I envision a ring heater, on the inside, around the central hole. The wires
have to pass through the walls of the cell.
I have seen flexible nichrome
From Jed:
You mean, the cell is a torus? With the cooling water flowing through the
middle?
The problem with that would be: Why bother putting the copper shell around
the steel cell? If it is a torus, you can dispense with the copper shell,
and put the heater directly on the outside of the
There is a conditioning startup phase when the hydrogen is being loaded. The
reaction vessel may have to be heated to condition the catalyst/hydrogen
mixture. No water would be flowing at that time. The external copper pipe
would not contain water and heat transfer to water characteristics are
On 2011-04-21 22:49, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:
The exterior copper pipe lining/jacket which encases the external
reactor torus wall might assist in the transfer of reactor heat to
the adjacent flowing water. If the reactor torus had been built
entirely outside of the copper tubing
From Akira
From Steven V Johnson:
The exterior copper pipe lining/jacket which encases
the external reactor torus wall might assist in the
transfer of reactor heat to the adjacent flowing water.
If the reactor torus had been built entirely outside of
the copper tubing holding the flowing
When the Cat-E was downsized, the reaction chamber was greatly reduced in
size. So was the internal heater in like proportion. But the copper pipes in
the water loop are standard commercial grade sizes and therefore stayed the
same size. Remaining the same size, these pipes would take away heat by
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
When the Cat-E was downsized, the reaction chamber was greatly reduced in
size. So was the internal heater in like proportion. But the copper pipes in
the water loop are standard commercial grade sizes and therefore stayed the
same size. . . .
. . . The
When your theory of operation is correct things start falling into place:
the angels will begin to sing. I believe that my theory is good and will
produce correct predictions as time moves forward. Time will tell.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Axil
I wrote:
I suppose you could not use it for this purpose if the water is flowing.
For that matter, I suppose the whole problem vanishes if we assume they only
use the heater when the water is not flowing. No details of the operational
procedures have been released. For all we know, they turn
I wrote:
They did tell me they test the flow calorimetry before turning on the cell.
That is to say, they make sure the inlet and outlet temperatures are the
same.
I mean they make sure thermocouples register the same temperature. Of course
the temperatures are actually the same, since it is
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+repor
t+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n+%28pdf%29.
Water is in the copper pipes.
The reaction kicks off when the water temperature hits 60C. This must be the
same for the outside reactor structure.
This fact does not
]:Strange position of heater in mini-Rossi device
http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3144960.ece/BINARY/Download+the+repor
t+by+Kullander+and+Ess%C3%A9n+%28pdf%29.
Water is in the copper pipes.
The reaction kicks off when the water temperature hits 60C. This must be the
same for the outside
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