[Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

In order to resolve the disagreement between the wet steam hyposesis and the water spill-though hypothesis it's reasonable to ask how much energy it takes to break water into droplets and lift these a few inches before sending them out the exit of the rossi device. The energy requires to increase

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Damon Craig wrote: > In order to resolve the disagreement between the wet steam hyposesis and > the water spill-though hypothesis it's reasonable to ask how much energy it > takes to break water into droplets and lift these a few inches before > sending them out t

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. However you wish to hold fast the assurtion (am I correct in this?) that this does not happen, but that liquid water exits as suspended droplets and maybe a little

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

Damon Craig wrote: It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented > supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. > No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out, there would be no steam at the end of the hose. As I pointed out, the temperature would

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

On Jul 30, 2011 3:50 PM, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > > Damon Craig wrote: > >> It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. > > > No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out, there would be no steam at the

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Damon Craig wrote: > It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented > supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. > I have not seen this evidence. There is a mixture of liquid water and mist/steam at the end of the hose.

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Damon Craig wrote: > > It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented >> supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. >> > > No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out, there would be no > st

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > > > > > No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out, there would be no > steam at the end of the hose. As I pointed out, the temperature would > immediately fall below boiling. It would be obvious. > > > > > That is very true, it req

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. Storms, if I recall, misundersood how steam made its way along a hose that also contained water. Isn't this highschool physics? On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:49 AM,

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

Damon Craig wrote: What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian > physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. > I agree. People seem to have no experience with teapots or steam cleaners. > > Storms, if I recall, misundersood how steam made its wa

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

required disperse and suspend small >droplets in the vapor state > > >What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian >physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. > >Storms, if I recall, misundersood how steam made its way along a ho

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

Harry Veeder wrote: Newtonian physics is generally not a part of everyday life experiences. It > is an abstract generalisation deduced from some idealised situations. > Good point. That's why these physics were not discovered until Newton, and why it took a genius like Newton to discover them.

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: > All that work, and you didn't come up with an answer? > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: All that work, and you didn't come up with an answer? I think im not interested in this sort of challenge anymore. I've had enou

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Damon Craig wrote: > > What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian >> physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. >> > > I agree. People seem to have no experience with teapots or steam cleaner

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

"It propelled my to ask 'what was really happening in the hose?' " This in turn led me to ask about Lewan's remark in his April 19th report where he deduces that steam must reside in the chimney. This is now understandable as a false claim upon the phsical evidence. Thanks for the Leg work, Roth

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Damon Craig wrote: > I've had enough > of this sort of thing from Lomax, or whoever he really is. Lomax is a real, breathing person; whereas, Cude is a sceptiBot created by the CSICOP. T

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

The viability of a system cannot be determined from an examination of just one of its components. Rossi plans to string a number of cat-e's together in series to convert water to dry steam. The steam exiting the first cat-e in series may well be wet. The function of the second... n-th stages

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

Jed Rothwell wrote > > >Harry Veeder wrote: > > >Newtonian physics is generally not a part of everyday life experiences. It >is an abstract generalisation deduced from some idealised situations. > > >Good point. That's why these physics were not discovered until Newton, and why >it took a gen

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

At 11:04 AM 7/30/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Jouni Valkonen <jounivalko...@gmail.com> wrote: That is very true, it requires lots of steam to rise boiling point temperature by one degree of celsius. How much is lots? If 2% of th

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

At 03:18 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote: Damon Craig <decra...@gmail.com> wrote: What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. I agree. People seem to have no experience with teapots

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

At 08:49 AM 7/30/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Damon Craig <decra...@gmail.com> wrote: It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed o

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. He may be finding some excess heat, but his demonstrations and comments amount to fraud anyway. Exaggerating his results is a form of fraud, and that kind of fraud has happened before. Come to think of it

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

> > > On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > > > I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. Rossi is probably certain that his device will produce miraculous amounts of power, but he needs to get just a few small engineering details right before it does, and he is sure he can do it by O

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

At 04:01 PM 8/3/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. He may be finding some excess heat, but his demonstrations and comments amount to fraud anyway. Exaggerating his results is a form of fraud, and that kind

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

At 04:12 PM 8/3/2011, vorl bek wrote: > > > On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > > > I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. Rossi is probably certain that his device will produce miraculous amounts of power, but he needs to get just a few small engineering details right before it

RE: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

>From Abd: > This should be made clear: that kind of phenomenon doesn't > mean that the effect is not real. It means that the conditions > are poorly understood or not controllable. ... > But the unreliability is fatal to commercial application. Rossi > may have seen some truly spect