Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-08-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:04 AM 7/30/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Jouni Valkonen mailto:jounivalko...@gmail.comjounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: That is very true, it requires lots of steam to rise boiling point temperature by one degree of celsius. How much is lots? If 2% of the

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-08-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:18 PM 7/30/2011, you wrote: Damon Craig mailto:decra...@gmail.comdecra...@gmail.com wrote: What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. I agree. People seem to have no experience with teapots or

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-08-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:49 AM 7/30/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Damon Craig mailto:decra...@gmail.comdecra...@gmail.com wrote: It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out,

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-08-03 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. He may be finding some excess heat, but his demonstrations and comments amount to fraud anyway. Exaggerating his results is a form of fraud, and that kind of fraud has happened before. Come to think of

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-08-03 Thread vorl bek
On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. Rossi is probably certain that his device will produce miraculous amounts of power, but he needs to get just a few small engineering details right before it does, and he is sure he can do it by

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-08-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:01 PM 8/3/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. He may be finding some excess heat, but his demonstrations and comments amount to fraud anyway. Exaggerating his results is a form of fraud, and that kind

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-08-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:12 PM 8/3/2011, vorl bek wrote: On 11-08-02 06:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. Rossi is probably certain that his device will produce miraculous amounts of power, but he needs to get just a few small engineering details right before it does,

RE: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-08-03 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Abd: This should be made clear: that kind of phenomenon doesn't mean that the effect is not real. It means that the conditions are poorly understood or not controllable. ... But the unreliability is fatal to commercial application. Rossi may have seen some truly

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-08-01 Thread Harry Veeder
Jed Rothwell wrote Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: Newtonian physics is generally not a part of everyday life experiences. It is an abstract generalisation deduced from some idealised situations. Good point. That's why these physics were not discovered until Newton, and why it

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-31 Thread Damon Craig
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: All that work, and you didn't come up with an answer? On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: All that work, and you didn't come up with an answer? I think im not interested in this

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-31 Thread Damon Craig
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. I agree. People seem to have no

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-31 Thread Damon Craig
It propelled my to ask 'what was really happening in the hose?' This in turn led me to ask about Lewan's remark in his April 19th report where he deduces that steam must reside in the chimney. This is now understandable as a false claim upon the phsical evidence. Thanks for the Leg work,

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-31 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 7:53 AM, Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: I've had enough of this sort of thing from Lomax, or whoever he really is. Lomax is a real, breathing person; whereas, Cude is a sceptiBot created by the CSICOP. T

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-31 Thread Axil Axil
The viability of a system cannot be determined from an examination of just one of its components. Rossi plans to string a number of cat-e's together in series to convert water to dry steam. The steam exiting the first cat-e in series may well be wet. The function of the second... n-th stages

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Damon Craig
It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. However you wish to hold fast the assurtion (am I correct in this?) that this does not happen, but that liquid water exits as suspended droplets and maybe a little

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out, there would be no steam at the end of the hose. As I pointed out, the

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Jul 30, 2011 3:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out,

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 4:54 AM, Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. I have not seen this evidence. There is a mixture of liquid water and mist/steam at the

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: It irritates me to no end. All the rational evidence we have been presented supports the claim that water spills through the outlet. No, that cannot be happening. As Storms

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote: No, that cannot be happening. As Storms pointed out, there would be no steam at the end of the hose. As I pointed out, the temperature would immediately fall below boiling. It would be obvious. That is very

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Damon Craig
What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. Storms, if I recall, misundersood how steam made its way along a hose that also contained water. Isn't this highschool physics? On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 5:49 AM,

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. I agree. People seem to have no experience with teapots or steam cleaners. Storms, if I recall, misundersood how

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Harry Veeder
required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state What further amazes me is the degree of disconnect between simple newtonian physics and everyday life experiences displayed by so many. Storms, if I recall, misundersood how steam made its way along a hose that also contained

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: Newtonian physics is generally not a part of everyday life experiences. It is an abstract generalisation deduced from some idealised situations. Good point. That's why these physics were not discovered until Newton, and why it took a genius like Newton to

[Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-29 Thread Damon Craig
In order to resolve the disagreement between the wet steam hyposesis and the water spill-though hypothesis it's reasonable to ask how much energy it takes to break water into droplets and lift these a few inches before sending them out the exit of the rossi device. The energy requires to increase

Re: [Vo]:Wet Steam: Energy required disperse and suspend small droplets in the vapor state

2011-07-29 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Damon Craig decra...@gmail.com wrote: In order to resolve the disagreement between the wet steam hyposesis and the water spill-though hypothesis it's reasonable to ask how much energy it takes to break water into droplets and lift these a few inches before