Re: OFF topic but important

2005-08-26 Thread Edmund Storms
overnment never change with/by elections. Ed (not as cynical but just as disgusted) -john (the cynic) -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:19 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: OFF topic but important Dear To

RE: OFF topic but important

2005-08-26 Thread Terry Blanton
> From: "John Steck" > It's all strategic positioning, economic and military. You will NEVER be > told the game plan. I sincerely doubt even the president knows it all... > Some elements of the government never change with/by elections. > > -john (the cynic) You may be a cynic; but, you've pe

RE: OFF topic but important

2005-08-25 Thread John Steck
-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: OFF topic but important Dear Tom, I don't want to get into a pointless and fruitless debate. However, our country is in serious trouble, not just because of the Iraq war. Unless voters look beyond the propaganda used by the government and accept some basic pri

Re: Off topic but important

2005-08-24 Thread OrionWorks
Statistically, it seems likely to me that the Republican administration will be voted out of office in 2008. I specifically use the term "republican administration" as compared to the presidency, because it seems to me that our president, Bush, is not the actual entity making policy. I think it

Re: Off topic but important

2005-08-24 Thread Wesley Bruce
Sad but possibly true. We better be ready for a few hundred thousand refugees. We called the Vietnamese refugees boat people and processed them in record time because we had several thousand trusted Vietnamese troops and intelegence officers that could sort them out. Hope it works out as good o

Re: Off topic but important

2005-08-24 Thread Edmund Storms
Wesley Bruce wrote: I can agree with all of what you've said below. I'm assuming that if 'we' pull out there will be no US or Aussy air power involved. the Iraqi air force is in pieces so Syria and Iran would back oposite sides and throw their air power into the picture. Hope fully your rig

OFF topic but important

2005-08-24 Thread thomas malloy
Title: OFF topic but important Ed Storms posted and I replied Dear Tom, >I don't want to get into a pointless and fruitless debate.  However, our >country is in serious trouble, not just because of the Iraq war.  I agree. I just finishing reading Fleshing out Skull and Bones.

Re: Off topic but important

2005-08-23 Thread Wesley Bruce
I can agree with all of what you've said below. I'm assuming that if 'we' pull out there will be no US or Aussy air power involved. the Iraqi air force is in pieces so Syria and Iran would back oposite sides and throw their air power into the picture. Hope fully your right and things will be l

Re: Off topic but important

2005-08-23 Thread John Coviello
Bush's poll numbers are below 40% positive in OH and MO. No way the Republicans can win in 2008 without either of those important swing states. - Original Message - From: "Stephen A. Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:05 PM Subje

Re: Off topic but important

2005-08-23 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Edmund Storms wrote: I presume that everyone who reads Vortex values truth and reality. If this is true, I suggest you read what is written at the following link. The question raised by a mother who paid a dear price is being asked by people everywhere. How big a lie must the government t

Re: OFF topic but important

2005-08-23 Thread RC Macaulay
is much to dangerous to allow guns in the hands of children. Richard. - Original Message - From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 2:46 PM Subject: Re: OFF topic but important I wish I understood your point, Richard. The iss

Re: OFF topic but important

2005-08-23 Thread Edmund Storms
and live as a slave. "Blessed is the nation who's princes are the son's of noblemen. I have seen noblemen walking and serfs riding horses". Richard - Original Message - From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005

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2005-08-23 Thread RC Macaulay
- Original Message - From: "Edmund Storms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:19 AM Subject: Re: OFF topic but important Dear Tom, I don't want to get into a pointless and fruitless debate. However, our country is in serious trouble, not just becau

Re: Off topic but important

2005-08-23 Thread Edmund Storms
Wesley Bruce wrote: I value the truth but I also know that if we pull out now about 5 million people will die in the bloodiest civil war in middle east history. It would quickly involve Syria, Iran, Jordan and might spill over into turkey and Saudi Arabia. We needed to take out Saddam regar

Re: OFF topic but important

2005-08-23 Thread Edmund Storms
Dear Tom, I don't want to get into a pointless and fruitless debate. However, our country is in serious trouble, not just because of the Iraq war. Unless voters look beyond the propaganda used by the government and accept some basic principles based on truth, we all are going to pay a very h

Re: Off topic but important

2005-08-23 Thread Wesley Bruce
I value the truth but I also know that if we pull out now about 5 million people will die in the bloodiest civil war in middle east history. It would quickly involve Syria, Iran, Jordan and might spill over into turkey and Saudi Arabia. We needed to take out Saddam regardless of his success or

OFF topic but important

2005-08-23 Thread thomas malloy
The following paragraphs were sent to me by Grassfire.org . They do a good job of setting out the other side of the argument. It is now clear that MoveOn.org and radical peace groups are using Cindy Sheehan and Crawford, Texas, as their staging area for a nationwide anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-tro

Re: Off topic but important

2005-08-22 Thread OrionWorks
> From: Edmund Storms > > I presume that everyone who reads Vortex values truth and > reality. If this is true, I suggest you read what is > written at the following link. The question raised by a > mother who paid a dear price is being asked by > people everywhere. How big a lie must the gover

RE: Off topic but important

2005-08-22 Thread Don Wiegel
Corrected Link ... http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/082005X.shtml -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:19 PM To: Vortex Subject: Off topic but important I presume that everyone who reads Vortex values truth and reality. If

Off topic but important

2005-08-22 Thread Edmund Storms
I presume that everyone who reads Vortex values truth and reality. If this is true, I suggest you read what is written at the following link. The question raised by a mother who paid a dear price is being asked by people everywhere. How big a lie must the government tell before honest people