Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response - radioactive scare

2013-05-21 Thread David L Babcock
My prediction: So many oil dollars will jump on this possibility of unleashed radioactive doom that they will squash any progress in cold fusion. That aspect is not a particularly a good thing. But it will happen. Abetting this will be the horde of semi-literate tea party types, ready to fea

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Mark Gibbs
Consider yourself asked ... oh, and what type of radiation was/would be involved? [mg] On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > > > If you require the theory behind this overview, just ask. > > >

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Axil Axil
When the Rossi reactor was first developed, radiation was detected when the reactor was cold. This happened at startup and shutdown. Rossi fixed the problem by heating the reactor at startup above the radiation temperature. He installed a secondary pre-heater if you remember. He keeps the rea

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley wrote: I am not aware of anyone measuring levels of radiation that are dangerous > during nickel-hydrogen reactions. > ***According to Jed Rothwell, Celani did exactly that kind of measurement > during startup. > According to Celani he did, in 2011, when that large group of 50 sci

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
ine whether or not radiation will > ever become important in this technology. Any reference to meltdown is > referring to just failure of the materials. > > Dave > -Original Message- > From: Mark Gibbs > To: vortex-l > Sent: Mon, May 20, 2013 8:08 pm > Subject: Re: [V

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Not necessarily during runaway mode, but startup mode. I predict that as COP increases, this effect will increase. It is a double-edged sword. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > So, in run away mode the reactor can do/always does emit radiation (of > what type? X-rays and/or

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread David Roberson
to determine whether or not radiation will ever become important in this technology. Any reference to meltdown is referring to just failure of the materials. Dave -Original Message- From: Mark Gibbs To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, May 20, 2013 8:08 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
No one knows, because the only guy with the data (Rossi) is so secretive. And all of us can understand why. The best available evidence suggests that there is a danger of radioactive release. But that will be stepped over like the local republican Roman children who complained when Julius Caesar

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Mark Gibbs
So, in run away mode the reactor can do/always does emit radiation (of what type? X-rays and/or gamma?) is it possible that the casing of the reactor and the other components would not become radioactive? Is there any information as to what type of detector Celani used? If the spectators at the dem

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
The important consideration is the business risk of the event and "melt down" has a business risk characterized by the destruction not only of the capital investment but substantial externalities such as radioactive environmental pollution damages in the billions of dollars. ***Based upon what I ha

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery wrote: > > The important consideration is the business risk of the event and "melt > down" has a business risk characterized by the destruction not only of the > capital investment but substantial externalities such as radioactive > environmental pollution damages in the billions of

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread James Bowery
Let's be clear then: The important consideration is the business risk of the event and "melt down" has a business risk characterized by the destruction not only of the capital investment but substantial externalities such as radioactive environmental pollution damages in the billions of dollars.

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery wrote: Gibbs asked about "melt down" which has a particular meaning in the context > of nuclear reactors. Clearly, the E-Cat does not, in this meaning, melt > down. > Oh Yes It Does. Quite remarkable considering there is only 283 W of input power. Anyone who has heated a stainless

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread James Bowery
Gibbs asked about "melt down" which has a particular meaning in the context of nuclear reactors. Clearly, the E-Cat does not, in this meaning, melt down. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Mark Gibbs wrote: > >> >> Does anyone know what happens when Rossi's reactor goes ou

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mark Gibbs wrote: > > Does anyone know what happens when Rossi's reactor goes out of control? > Does it melt down or just stop working? > It melts. Rossi says it is perfectly safe, but this report says: "The tests held in December 2012 and March 2013 are in fact subsequent to a previous attempt

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
>From the report, an interesting explanation : The tests held in December 2012 and March 2013 are in fact subsequent to a previous attempt in November 2012 to make accurate measurements on a similar model of the *E-Cat HT *on the same premises. In that experiment the device was destroyed in th

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread ChemE Stewart
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RE: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
>From Rossi statements, the powder melts and the reactor stops working. _ From: mark.gi...@gmail.com [mailto:mark.gi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mark Gibbs Sent: lundi 20 mai 2013 23:17 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response Does anyone know what happ

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread James Bowery
It just stops working. On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Mark Gibbs wrote: > > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Arnaud Kodeck > wrote: > >> Rossi has recently stated in JONP that local hot spots in its reactor >> were the main issue. If a spot come to a certain upper threshold, the >> reactor

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Mark Gibbs
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Arnaud Kodeck wrote: > Rossi has recently stated in JONP that local hot spots in its reactor were > the main issue. If a spot come to a certain upper threshold, the reactor > goes out of control. Does anyone know what happens when Rossi's reactor goes out of con

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread David Roberson
- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Mon, May 20, 2013 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response If I had Rossi’s ear, I would tell him to install a lithium based heat pipe to distribute the heat produced by the nickel powder in a isothermal mode as those types of pipes are

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Axil Axil
If I had Rossi’s ear, I would tell him to install a lithium based heat pipe to distribute the heat produced by the nickel powder in a isothermal mode as those types of pipes are disposed to do. Furthermore, the heat pipe can vary heat dissipation under thermostatic control to keep the thermal sti

RE: [Vo]: ECAT Time Domain Response

2013-05-20 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
Rossi has recently stated in JONP that local hot spots in its reactor were the main issue. If a spot come to a certain upper threshold, the reactor goes out of control. The keys are uniformity of heat production inside the eCat and equal density of energy extraction along the entire surface. The on