Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

- From: DJ Cravens To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 12:54 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? the B field of an orbiting 1s electron about a H nucleus is about 12T at the nucleus. Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:46:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

It would not be out of line to assume that there is no relationship to the Debye temperature whatsoever. This might just be a guess on their part. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 12:52 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

Is it possible that the units used to describe the magnetic field were incorrect? It is easy to have a slip of this sort and it would be a shame to use that against them. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Fri, Jul 26, 2013 12:39 pm Subject: RE: [Vo

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

bell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:48:27 -0700 From: DJ Cravens notice you only need the >179 figure to get above the Debye temp. You can get around that by alloying the Ni

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

From: DJ Cravens notice you only need the >179 figure to get above the Debye temp. You can get around that by alloying the Ni with Cu and even annealing. Dennis, Are you using something akin to Celani's constantan alloy? Or else Monel? Jones

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

in the parking lot where they were using Sm Co materials. Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:54:29 -0300 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? From: danieldi...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Because of the above limitations of passive shielding, an alternative used with stati

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

for my lower temp demo, I now will be using mixed Ni+ Cu + Au "alloy" (reduced from a mixed solution held in C mesopores). I am not sure what it's final Debye temp is, but I expect it is much less than 0C. D2 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:52:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

Jones, Where was that claim made? did they mean uT? Stewart On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > *From:* Jack Cole > > ** ** > > 1) Brillouin Energy's method of electrolysis would seem likely to elevate > the cathode temperature >179C. Could this be a factor in Gode

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

d be > available for "tools across the room". > > > ---------- > Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 13:45:17 -0300 > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? > From: danieldi...@gmail.com > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > > > Al

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

the B field of an orbiting 1s electron about a H nucleus is about 12T at the nucleus. Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:46:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? From: cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Jones, Where was that claim made? did they mean uT

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

Here is some complementary information. This abstract says the Debye temperature is higher when defects are present. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pssa.2210090108/abstract harry On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 12:14 PM, DJ Cravens wrote: > notice you only need the >179 figure to get above

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

They meant Tesla. But what is the big deal with this? These are dipoles. The magnetic force falls falls like ~1/r^3 at best with the distance. Each of these spheres have ~1T. Both structures are close. They are pretty still at a close distance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NeoCube_objects

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

5:17 -0300 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis? From: danieldi...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Also, this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet_toys 2013/7/26 Daniel Rocha It is a strong field. But it falls fast, specially if the magnetized object is t

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

Also, this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet_toys 2013/7/26 Daniel Rocha > It is a strong field. But it falls fast, specially if the magnetized > object is tiny: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet > > 2013/7/26 Jones Beene > >> That kind of field at 20 cm from

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

It is a strong field. But it falls fast, specially if the magnetized object is tiny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet 2013/7/26 Jones Beene > That kind of field at 20 cm from the device (their claim) would be > pulling tools from across the room. > > ** ** > > Jones > --

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

From: Jack Cole 1) Brillouin Energy's method of electrolysis would seem likely to elevate the cathode temperature >179C. Could this be a factor in Godes' success? It is looking like there is nothing there with Brillouin. Months ago, they received a very large grant for testing at SRI.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Jack Cole wrote: > With the recent corresponding findings of both Defkalion and MFMP > suggesting the temperature needs to be >179C to initiate the reaction, I am > wondering if this may also have implications for electrolysis with nickel. > > Obviously, it would

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?

notice you only need the >179 figure to get above the Debye temp. You can get around that by alloying the Ni with Cu and even annealing. http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Debye_Temperature_and_Hardness_of_Co.html?id=Rhd5NwAACAAJ http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pssa.2210090108

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo

: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2013 12:23 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo In reply to Craig's message of Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:06:28 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Looks like ignition! > >http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US > >Craig I wonder why T_ou

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo

In reply to blaze spinnaker's message of Tue, 23 Jul 2013 21:42:10 -0700: Hi, [snip] >> >> wonder why T_out is coloured, while all the other numbers are black? Is >> this >> possibly indicative of an error condition? > > >Interesting speculation. Are you familiar with LabView and that's why you

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo

> > wonder why T_out is coloured, while all the other numbers are black? Is > this > possibly indicative of an error condition? Interesting speculation. Are you familiar with LabView and that's why you say that? I think I'd be more concerned about them juking the flow rate as steam was coming

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo

In reply to Craig's message of Tue, 23 Jul 2013 14:06:28 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Looks like ignition! > >http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US > >Craig I wonder why T_out is coloured, while all the other numbers are black? Is this possibly indicative of an error condition? (If so then the out

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo

Looks like ignition! http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US Craig

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Keep in mind that this is a demonstration, and not an experiment. There will certainly be several things that will come up which will eventually need to be addressed, as has happened in every demonstration. But if this group is getting the same results as Rossi, with the same methodology, then that

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - English Demo

The pre-recorded movie that shows the layout of the Defkalion reactor and test plan is here: http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-US/videos/25223839 - Brad On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Charles Francis wrote: > Test is looking professional so far and promising. One concern for me >

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion GT demo to be streamed live at 10:00 CDT

Thx Akira, Watching it now! -mark -Original Message- From: Akira Shirakawa [mailto:shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 5:13 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Defkalion GT demo to be streamed live at 10:00 CDT Hello group, As a reminder, this is the URL where t

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT demo to be streamed live at 10:00 EDT

On 2013-07-23 14:13, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, I actually meant 10:00 EDT. That's 14:00 UTC / 16:00 CEST (local time), or about 1 hour and 40 minutes from now. I hope this clears things up, S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

Its at 11:45 into the video. Thank you, H. Veeder. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 11:11 PM, H Veeder wrote: > A COP can be calculated from this screen capture > > > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxxczzEYA5C5ajA3MndVbHd5NGM/edit?usp=sharing > > which comes from the fourth video on this page > http:/

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion LIVE at ICCF-18?

Dear Jed, it wold be fine if you could communicate how the Millano demo of today was seen, understood and appreciated at ICCF. The Protocol is of real help, I think. What I am a bit worried is technical problems re quality continuity of livestream transmission. Thank you in advance. Peter On Tue,

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

A COP can be calculated from this screen capture https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BxxczzEYA5C5ajA3MndVbHd5NGM/edit?usp=sharing which comes from the fourth video on this page http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita Harry On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:24 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: > >> I thi

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

I saw an input of 1.8kW and an output of 8kW. This gives a COP of 4.4 Harry On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:24 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: > I think I read 5 somewhere. > > 1,6 kWe for 8 kWth > > You can watch the video. they have some graphs in the background: > > http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/De

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

I think I read 5 somewhere. 1,6 kWe for 8 kWth You can watch the video. they have some graphs in the background: http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita Personally, if you're an english speaker, I'd wait for tomorrow's video though for things like that. It'll be at: http://new.livestr

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

Thanks for the correction, Akira. So, where, exactly, are we to find the actual Coefficient of Performance attained by today's demonstration in Italy? Chapter and verse please. On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: > On 2013-07-23 02:04, James Bowery wrote: > >> That's not wh

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

On 2013-07-23 02:04, James Bowery wrote: That's not what the article says: http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm It says a 4:1 ratio: Gamberale is talking about the notorious scientific paper by De Ninno et al. (ENEA), colloqu

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

Perhaps I should make this crystal clear: When they say 4:1 they are *not* saying a COP of 4 or 5 or whatever. They are saying *a COP of 0.25!* I cannot emphasize enough how important it is, in this sensitive situation, to avoid a mistake such as that made by Charles Fancis in his erroneous repo

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

That's not what the article says: http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm It says a 4:1 ratio: Luke Gamberale, after specifying that were observed radiation but in very low quantities, reminiscent of the famous report of ENEA, the r

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion LIVE at ICCF-18?

*The difference between the Rossi mindset and the Defkalion mindset is the perceived level of development between the two systems. The Rossi system is still more primitive at this juncture because Rossi’s lack of trust in design cooperation was almost total for a very long time. One man, no matter

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion LIVE at ICCF-18?

Well, this looks a serious. It looks like a real technical presentation, which is what I have been hoping to see. Kudos to Defkalion. It is tough to pull of a live demonstration on a schedule like this. If it does not work I do not think anyone will blame them for trying. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

IBT report on the demonstration : http://it.ibtimes.com/articles/53211/20130722/fusione-fredda-defkalion-video-streaming-presentazione.htm (google translate looks OK) Several quotes -- I presume off the video, not by an IBT reporter at the event. Implies that tomorrow's test will be in Italy:

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion LIVE at ICCF-18?

The ICCF agenda has been updated to include the Defkalion test protocol http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/files/day2/Protocol_and_test_results.pdf

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

various parts – sound not working at first.*** > * > > ** ** > > *From:* Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 22 July 2013 14:26 > *To:* John Milstone > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo > > ** ** > > It'

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

There's recordings below in various parts - sound not working at first. From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 July 2013 14:26 To: John Milstone Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo It's offline... 2013/7/22 Charles Fran

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

It's offline... 2013/7/22 Charles Francis > http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita > > > -Original Message- > From: Craig [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com] > Sent: 22 July 2013 13:49 > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Gree

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

http://new.livestream.com/triwu2/Defkalion-ita -Original Message- From: Craig [mailto:cchayniepub...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 July 2013 13:49 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Green Technologies - Italian Demo

Can you provide a link? I don't have the link to the demo. Craig On 07/22/2013 07:13 AM, Charles Francis wrote: > > Shows COP of 5 > > >

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion video from last year

On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 1:25 PM, H Veeder wrote: > This is a Defkalion video from last year. I don't remember seeing it and > perhaps others missed it as well. The liquid cooling system is shown and > explained with a brief shot of the Hyperion unit itself. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?featur

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

ICCF Prgram updated : http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/program.php Tuesday : 9:00 - 9:10 am Demonstration: Defkalion Reactor Startup 2:30 - 3:00 pm Demonstration: Defkalion Questions and Answers 5:30 - 5:40 pm Demonstration: Defkalion Closing Remarks ?? Live? Video Feed? ??

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

http://www.drboblog.com/defkalion-public-demonstration/ Unconfirmed, but public demos might be in Vancouver and Milano. Supposedly there will be announcements on EGO OUT and Defkalion website. >From drboblog: *Breaking News: Defkalion Green Technologies have arranged for two public demonstrati

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

The odds of this group returning a positive report are higher than for other skeptics societies due to potential co-national bias. The appearance of a conflict of interest would be enough to provide an excuse for the PSICOPs to ignore the report -- although PSICOPs might not go so far as to denounc

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

The American version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_Skeptical_Inquiry fondly referred to as PSICOPs.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

On 2013-07-16 22:58, H Veeder wrote: Copied from a facebook group. Harry Officially confirmed. A couple more links in Italian confirming this news, but not exactly adding yet a whole lot of new details: http://22passi.blogspot.it/2013/07/fusione-fredda-diretta-streaming-22.html http://www.t

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

This was on their website (see italian below). Had to dig it out of google cache though. It'll be interesting to get the names of the individuals that show up at the demo. Patenting cold fusion Query

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

right. for the mainstream deniers who parrot the few leaders MIT/Caltech/Harwell, it is evident that it is paranormal claim.. So skeptic society member like Essen are usefull It is right that best would be to send experts in energy... like Elforsk... all that shows that fullfilling any demand of

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:39 PM, David Roberson wrote: I suppose that now that the scam detection squad is going to be involved > the the skeptics will completely go away. For some reason I suspect that > the bar will be raised as usual. > I agree. Even if this skeptical group were to sign o

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

> From: "David Roberson" > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 10:39:17 PM > > I suppose that now that the scam detection squad is going to be > involved the the skeptics will completely go away. For some reason I > suspect that the bar will be raised as usual. Recall that Kullander was ex-president of

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed On 2013-07-17 03:50, blaze spinnaker wrote: > They should be sending in engineers from companies which specialize in > calorimetry and power measurement. Cynical skeptics have often complained that a magician or some sort of fraud expert

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

> From: "Rob Dingemans" > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 5:50:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially > It looks a bit to me that somebody pulled this organization into the > game to make the claims ridiculous, which in turn could work as a > boomerang an

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

On 2013-07-17 03:50, blaze spinnaker wrote: They should be sending in engineers from companies which specialize in calorimetry and power measurement. Cynical skeptics have often complained that a magician or some sort of fraud expert should have been present during public LENR demos to check

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

On 2013-07-17 02:50, Rob Dingemans wrote: It looks a bit to me that somebody pulled this organization into the game to make the claims ridiculous, which in turn could work as a boomerang and could result in people not taking CICAP serious at all. In Dutch we would say "schoenmaker blijf bij je l

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

They are trying to show that they are not doing magic tricks. Like, hidden wires, tubes, etc. 2013/7/16 blaze spinnaker > > Paranormal = XFiles / Ghosts / Aliens / etc. > > They're sending Mulder and Sculley in to investigate Defkalion? > > They should be sending in engineers from companies whi

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 6:50 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: It doesn't matter what they discover, the reputation of Defkalion > Perhaps. This may have just been something they were approached about by the paranormal investigators, and they thought they would try to spin it up. (I wonder whether we

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

I > CICAP: *ICAP, the Italian Committee for the Investigation of Claims on >> the Paranormal,* promotes a scientific and critical enquiry of supposed >> paranormal and mysterious phenomena >> > > Your point is? > > Are you opposed to investigating mysterious phenomena? Or in favor of it? > Paran

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

Rob Dingemans wrote: > I don't think that's the point that Blaze is trying to make. > It seems to me that an organization that is mainly focused on > investigating paranormal activities is out of it's league in this case. > Ah. Good point. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

Hi, On 17-7-2013 2:27, Jed Rothwell wrote: blaze spinnaker > wrote: "as well as a member of the Cicap." CICAP: *ICAP, the Italian Committee for the Investigation of Claims on the Paranormal,* promotes a scientific and critical enquiry of suppose

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

blaze spinnaker wrote: "as well as a member of the Cicap." > > CICAP: *ICAP, the Italian Committee for the Investigation of Claims on > the Paranormal,* promotes a scientific and critical enquiry of supposed > paranormal and mysterious phenomena > Your point is? Are you opposed to investigatin

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion webcast officially confirmed

"as well as a member of the Cicap." CICAP: *ICAP, the Italian Committee for the Investigation of Claims on the Paranormal,* promotes a scientific and critical enquiry of supposed paranormal and mysterious phenomena http://www.cicap.org/en/index.php On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 1:58 PM, H Veeder w

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

Think of civilization as a very primitive multicellular organism that takes humans and turns them into asexual cells that perform various specialized functions. When I say "very primitive" I mean you have to look back _far_ beyond 600 million years ago (the point at which cellular specialization r

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

*But in the sense of dealing with the perverse realities of current authority structures.* What is the best way to work within the current authority structures? It seems to me in this current day and age that the current authority structures are based on corporate control of governments by intern

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

As Alan Fletcher said "Sounds even worse than a Rossi event." Rossi events don't "prove the existence of" anything significant. They "raise public awareness" and appear to have had no impact on *anything*. Oh, we can *speculate* about *invisible* impact, but the fact remains that there are no cu

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

Because you cannot do it without having proved the existance of something, that is, a high power reactor. So, you do both. 2013/7/16 James Bowery > If the point of raising public awareness is political then what is the > point of pursuing politics if not to change policy? > > > On Tue, Jul 16,

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

If the point of raising public awareness is political then what is the point of pursuing politics if not to change policy? On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > The difference it is that you wanted to change a policy. They want to > raise awareness about the existance of someth

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

The difference it is that you wanted to change a policy. They want to raise awareness about the existance of something. 2013/7/16 James Bowery > You want to know what it takes to overcome political opposition from > bureaucratic insiders to outside competition: > > Look this guy > up

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

You want to know what it takes to overcome political opposition from bureaucratic insiders to outside competition: Look this guy up. He seems to have some experience dealing with that sort of thing. Clue

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

Public awareness works for politics. Market awareness works for business. On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: > Public awareness? > > > 2013/7/16 Jed Rothwell > >> Daniel Rocha wrote: >> >> They are not fools. They are not doing that for customers. >>> >> >> Then who are the

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

But politics is important in this business. 2013/7/16 James Bowery > Public awareness works for politics. Market awareness works for business. > > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

2013/7/16 Jed Rothwell > >From what they said , it seems they have too many candidates. They seems like some LENR researchers I've heard about that they have more friend than can hold their agenda. It seems businessmen are more open than academics and media. the behavior of defkalion is more ra

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

Public awareness? 2013/7/16 Jed Rothwell > Daniel Rocha wrote: > > They are not fools. They are not doing that for customers. >> > > Then who are they doing it for? If a business does not do things for > customers, it is not a business. > > - Jed > > -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.c

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

Daniel Rocha wrote: They are not fools. They are not doing that for customers. > Then who are they doing it for? If a business does not do things for customers, it is not a business. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

They are not fools. They are not doing that for customers. 2013/7/16 Jed Rothwell > > First, you need a magic crystal ball to know who your customers are. When > you are selling things people often come to look, but it turns out they do > not want the product or they are not serious customers.

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

Google translated: > From about 20 days are repeated trials and demonstrations in Milan only > for customers and for about a couple of months in Canada forever just to > customers. > I see two problems with this marketing scheme. First, you need a magic crystal ball to know who your customers a

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

> From: "blaze spinnaker" > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 7:48:47 PM http://fusionefredda.wordpress.com/2013/07/12/preparata Google-translated comment : Andrea writes: July 15th, 2013 at 2:33 pm In the demo of 22 there will be a representative of CICAP, a physicist from what I understand, journa

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

> They don't directly link Defkalion GT to this demo, but the hearsay > information I've read around (22passi like you pointed to and a different > blog where the same author occasionally writes) does and seems reliable. Which blog is that? I read about this via lenr-forum.com Alain is pretty

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

On 2013-07-16 03:23, blaze spinnaker wrote: Unconfirmed rumor at this point, but if true: (face palm) Towards the end (minute 32:50 onwards) of the following podcast (in Italian) of a radio show about science and technology ("Moebius" [1], from Radio24, an all-news radio station owned by th

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

http://22passi.blogspot.fr/2013/07/stasera-defkalion-ospite-di-moebius.html#1373899462684 MYSTERY said ... @ Thu , 22 In the demo there will be a representative of CICAP, a physicist from what I understand, journalists from the BBC and will be streaming at the same time to another streaming dall'

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

On 2013-07-15 16:01, DJ Cravens wrote: I asked Defkalion directly and got a "non committal" reply- neither confirming or denying. "We do not disclose what we will present in NI Week and ICCF-18. " This is unconfirmed news, but it seems there will be a Defkalion GT demo in Milan, Italy on July

RE: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

I don't think it is a mater of eclipsing NI. Dennis From: alain.sep...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:45:02 +0200 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I see no evidence of any LENR related conference, presentation, showcase,

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion to demo at NI-WEEK .. can anyone confirm?

I see no evidence of any LENR related conference, presentation, showcase, unlike last year... Even Defkalion corrected the enthusiams of a reporter (Jeane Manning I think) who announced a demo at NIWeek... It seems NI was afraid that LENR may eclipse NI usual business. 2013/7/15 blaze spinnaker

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:07 AM, David Roberson wrote: > > Cude and the others of this group can not accept that LENR is anything > except for a scam. > Not true in my case. I think most of LENR research is not a scam; it is probably just pathological science. But I don't even rule it out compl

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion

On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson wrote: > The group at moletrap has a hobby of trying to debunk anything that they > do not understand. You should have realized by now that these clowns can > not admit when they are shown in error to keep up appearances of > understanding these s

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On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM, David Roberson wrote: > Applying more heat to make it stop is not what he does. He ceases to > apply the excess drive heat to make it stop. This is 180 degrees > different. The extra drive power to the resistors is added to the internal > power during the time

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On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > The effects of heat and the use of heat to control chemical and nuclear > reactions is well established. > > > Perhaps, but elsewhere I asked for an example where the addition of heat is used to control a positive thermal feedback system,

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n or proton event. I had to give them some name for a company on the booth . The name Neo-Coulombic comes from the 5D potential that is softer at the nucleus than the standard coulomb potential that is infinite at r=0. I am not quite ready to put forth a formal theory. Dennis Date: Sat

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Extra heat in the form of thermal pulse might disrupt a resonance that was enabling the production excess heat. Harry On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 5:56 PM, David L Babcock wrote: > Apparently there's two threads of thought here: > > a: Apply heat to make the process start, and more heat to take

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Apply heat?

Apparently there's two threads of thought here: a: Apply heat to make the process start, and more heat to take it to a higher cop. Stop the heat (or increase cooling) to bring the process back from cascade and ruin. This one seems to describe what Rossi has, and what Dave Roberson is modeling

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On Jun 1, 2013, at 8:57, Vorl Bek wrote: > The moletrap people ... seem > knowledgeable about this stuff, so even their sneering opinions > might be worth considering. I agree. I think they have many interesting points to make. I just wish discussing things with them was more like talking to n

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--Original Message- From: Vorl Bek To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2013 11:57 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion The moletrap people are certainly, most of them, emotionally adolescent, self-congratulatory clowns, but they seem knowledgeable about this stuff, so even their sneering opinions migh

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The moletrap people are certainly, most of them, emotionally adolescent, self-congratulatory clowns, but they seem knowledgeable about this stuff, so even their sneering opinions might be worth considering. I am sure they would be as happy as you are to see lenr cars, hot-water heaters, furnaces,

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: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Dear Dave, Let the facts speak, I think we cannot compare and or judge such new technologies when we (you and I) have so lmited information about those technologies. Let's Rossi and DGT develop their generators. In my terminology both are on the way from enhanced excess

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. When that source is quickly removed, the positive feedback direction becomes reversed and the device begins to cool. You need to understand the process before calling it stupid. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:28 am Subject: Re: [Vo

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completely wrong and will crawl under a rock to avoid blame. Honest skepticism is OK, but what they are doing is plain wrong. Dave -Original Message- From: Vorl Bek To: vortex-l Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2013 10:39 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Defkalion On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 10:28:03 -0400 Jed Rothwell

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