Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-14 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda wrote: > >- is there a simple way , with minimal assumption, to be sure that the >COP>1 > > Look at the color. If it is dull red, it may be around 750°C which is where you would expect it to be in a straight line extrapolation calibration up to 800 W. If it is white it has to

RE: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-14 Thread Robert Ellefson
[mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible Alain Sepeda mailto:alain.sep...@gmail.com> > wrote: * is there a simple way , with minimal assumption, to be sure that th

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-14 Thread David Roberson
The fact that the 100 watt input power increase yielded a calculated(and assumed) output power increase of 700 watts does indeed prove that the COP is greater than unity. My model shows that this is the general behavior that is expected from any device that has internally generated power. I h

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread Alain Sepeda
"A calibration curve will bend down. It never bends up." this mean that temperature grow less than the power ? this mean that when you increase the power, and if temperature grows much more that before, something anomalous is happening ? Either excess heat, or some external blanket effect (incre

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
You have a good understanding in my opinion. There is no doubt that energy is being generated within the core. Dave -Original Message- From: Alain Sepeda To: Vortex List Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 12:59 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread Jack Cole
Vortex List > Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 12:59 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible > > "A calibration curve will bend down. It never bends up." > > this mean that temperature grow less than the power ? > > this mean that w

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda wrote: "A calibration curve will bend down. It never bends up." > > this mean that temperature grow less than the power ? > Right. > this mean that when you increase the power, and if temperature grows much > more that before, something anomalous is happening ? > Exactly. Howeve

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
is generating a major amount of power during the test. Dave -Original Message- From: Jack Cole To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible I agree David. You can verify this by looking at the data for both the

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread H Veeder
; > -Original Message- > From: Alain Sepeda > To: Vortex List > Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 12:59 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible > > "A calibration curve will bend down. It never bends up." > > this mean that temp

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread David Roberson
for what they actually were able to accomplish. Dave -Original Message- From: H Veeder To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, Oct 16, 2014 12:18 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible You might say I am splitting hairs but what Mckubre has written here is

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 9:43 PM, David Roberson wrote: It would be a miracle to find that the temperature exactly matched what is > expected according to the Stephan-Boltzman equation. > I get that the preconditions for the Stephan-Boltzman equation were not met, technically, since the device is

Re: [Vo]:E-cat : Minimum COP assuming worst mistakes possible

2014-10-16 Thread Alain Sepeda
the emissivity was used, it was not the blackbody equation but is not that the greybody equation (correct term?) ? anyway what have to be the sensitivity error to explain the apparent COP ? naively I assume that the emissivity during the calibration have to be much much higher than assumed and t