Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-08 Thread Axil Axil
LENR is similar to the pharmaceutical industry were the value of the material that comprises the product is very small, but the worth of the its intellectual capital is very large. When Jed says that the cost of the power derived from LENR is almost zero, he is inferring that the people who

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: LENR is similar to the pharmaceutical industry were the value of the material that comprises the product is very small, but the worth of the its intellectual capital is very large. I do not think it will cost much to develop cold fusion into a practical

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Even if we paid Rossi $10 billion today for his discovery, in a few years you would be paying only a few dollars extra per car or a few dollars per year for electricity to reimburse him. That is not to say cold fusion devices will be cheap at first. You will pay a tremendous

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-08 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The patents will have to expire. The knowledge of how to make them will have to spread. I have been wanting to get to the patents before too long. I know very little about patents at this point. But I would not be

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-08 Thread Axil Axil
Jed’s concept of the LENR product line evolution is sadly limited to energy products. With the money that LENR based firms make from energy production and products, they will reinvest in the transmutation technology where cheap material like waste, junk, silicon, carbon, and oxygen are transmuted

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-08 Thread Axil Axil
http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/08/nasa-test-fires-3d-printed-rocket-parts-low-cost-high-power-innovation/ NASA test-fires 3D printed rocket parts: low cost, high power innovation Today, NASA can build a rocket engine using 3 D manufacturing. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Axil Axil

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I have been wanting to get to the patents before too long. I know very little about patents at this point. But I would not be surprised if the existing patents are all encumbered by details that will invalidate them. I know little about patents.

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Jed’s concept of the LENR product line evolution is sadly limited to energy products. That is nonsense. My book describes far more than that, including transmutation. With the money that LENR based firms make from energy production and products, they

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-08 Thread Axil Axil
*And they will make money from that technology as well. The cost of that RD will also soon be recovered. What is your point?* You stated that power produced from LENR will be virtually free, to cheap to even meter. If all the existing industrial infrastructure is immediately trashed by LENR,

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-08 Thread ChemE Stewart
You guys got it all wrong. This brane we live on attracts way too much dark matter. It is off to space for the human race with our vacuum energy devices else we all follow the path of the dinosaurs On Sunday, September 8, 2013, Axil Axil wrote: *And they will make money from that technology

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-08 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *And they will make money from that technology as well. The cost of that RD will also soon be recovered. What is your point?* You stated that power produced from LENR will be virtually free, to cheap to even meter. I said that would happen eventually. It

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-07 Thread Axil Axil
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Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-07 Thread James Bowery
Its a simple matter of capital write-off. If the operation and maintenance costs are all you have to service, and you can still make a profit, then you can't afford to abandon that infrastructure. My calculations show that even if you write off the entire capital cost of a coal plant, Rossi's

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-07 Thread Alain Sepeda
I have heard that for nuclear power plant the worst cost is building, not even dispantling. fuel like with LENr is negligible. Mantenance is expensive. maintaining a fission reactor a decade more is quite cheap... is it cheaper that LENR ? if not this mean that the fission reactors will be

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: I have heard that for nuclear power plant the worst cost is building, not even dispantling. Dismantling. Decommission. They have not decomissioned many of them so the cost is unclear. The cost of decommissioning Three Mile Island and Connecticut

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Maintenance is expensive. Because the fuel is cheap but the equipment is expensive, nuclear power plants have to be run 24 hours a day for baseline generation. Otherwise they are not cost effective. They can be

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-07 Thread H Veeder
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: No. LENR will be far cheaper than any other source. Eventually it will be thousands of times cheaper. Some history on the phrase too cheap to meter http://media.cns-snc.ca/media/toocheap/toocheap.html Harry

Re: [Vo]:We abandon vast amounts of infrastructure, buildings, and so on

2013-09-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: No. LENR will be far cheaper than any other source. Eventually it will be thousands of times cheaper. Some history on the phrase too cheap to meter LENR will not be too cheap to meter. It will be free. The cost will be so close to zero it will be