Am 03.05.2005 um 04:11 schrieb Ian Bicking:
The Javascript development community is young in other ways. Public
repositories and basic open source project management practices are
uncommon. We're still getting over a stage where everything is
presented as recipes instead of working code; I
Peter Hunt wrote:
Hello everyone,
A long time ago (before the advent of IronPython), I wrote a small
Python module that compiled a python file to a JScript.NET
http://JScript.NET file and compiled it. Seeing as JScript and
JavaScript are very similar, I bet this could be very helpful.
Perhaps if we had better support in some browser -- and Firefox is the
perfect candidate here -- to improve the development experience.
Have you used Venkman? Venkman is Mozilla's javascript debugger. It
runs OTB with the Mozilla suite but you need to do some gymnastics to
get it to work with
Mike Orr wrote:
Carlos Ribeiro wrote:
Hi guys,
Javascript seems to be everyone's little dirty secret. Everyone uses,
most people don't like it. Some (like me) dislike it for no other
reason than being another language that I have to use. Some others
dislike it for being named Javasomething
Have you used Venkman? Venkman is Mozilla's javascript debugger. It
runs OTB with the Mozilla suite but you need to do some gymnastics to
get it to work with Firefox.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/venkman/
Sorry, no time for gymnastics :-)
Actually, I said the same thing until just now.
Donovan Preston wrote:
On May 5, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
Well, guys, I like SF.net. I understand that many of you don't. I'm
okay with that. I'm willing to bite the bullet and set things up, if
we can all come to concensus about what should be done. Should I just
On 5/6/05, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Donovan Preston wrote:
On May 5, 2005, at 12:43 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
Well, guys, I like SF.net. I understand that many of you don't. I'm
okay with that. I'm willing to bite the bullet and set things up, if
we can all
* Steve Holden [2005-05-06 07:08]:
Except that it didn't, of course. My own belief is that Javascript, like
Perl, has suffered from the web-s 1990's programming with a trowel
metaphor, because a bunch of clueless dweebs dsicovered they could often
get 85% of a web job done by lifting
Why Plone? What's the point of using Plone if we simply want a mailing list?
I was thinking a lot more would be involved than just a mailing list.
If all we want is a mailing list, those are easy to get. I was
thinking we'd have a Web site with FAQ's, documentation, etc., and
maybe even some
Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
On a more serious tone, the idea itself has some merit. However, Plone
carries a lot of overhead. I would rather prefer a lightweight
framework for such 'plug ins'. I wondered a long time about doing some
work with CherryPy along these lines, but I never had the time to
On the topic of Javascript, I just thought I'd note the existance of
WHAT-WG (http://whatwg.org/) the Web Application Spec
(http://whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/), and the Web Form spec
(http://whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/), which both deal with
Javascript. The Web App
Martijn Faassen wrote:
I asked Infrae's resident Javascript guru (Guido Wesdorp), and he said
he didn't know of such a advanced javascript forum. He had some
discussions with other javascript hackers to set up such a thing, but
they haven't done anything yet.
Let me explain a bit:
The
Hi guys,
Javascript seems to be everyone's little dirty secret. Everyone uses,
most people don't like it. Some (like me) dislike it for no other
reason than being another language that I have to use. Some others
dislike it for being named Javasomething (which is indeed something
very strange).
Donovan Preston wrote:
[snip]
Before I reinvent the wheel of creating new mailing lists, I will
spend some time scouring weblogs and web framework project pages for
projects which are incorporating AJAX features (rails, etc). If I
find another community which is suitable, I'll suggest
Donovan Preston wrote:
[snip]
The shared brain power of a new list and web site which attracted
users from communities other than the Python community could be
valuable, as well. At the same time, we could subtly enlighten people
to the joys of Python just by exposing them to it.
Sounds
On 5/3/05, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Donovan Preston wrote:
[snip]
The shared brain power of a new list and web site which attracted
users from communities other than the Python community could be
valuable, as well. At the same time, we could subtly enlighten people
to the
On May 3, 2005, at 10:29 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
On 5/3/05, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Donovan Preston wrote:
[snip]
The shared brain power of a new list and web site which attracted
users from communities other than the Python community could be
valuable, as well.
On 5/3/05, Donovan Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On May 3, 2005, at 10:29 AM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
On 5/3/05, Martijn Faassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Donovan Preston wrote:
[snip]
The shared brain power of a new list and web site which attracted
users from communities
It sure would be nice to have a common JavaScript library that we
could all share. People are wanting this for Aquarium, but I really
don't want Aquarium to have its own JavaScript library. It's too much
of a niche within a niche. Do you guys think it'd be possible to use
the RoR one? I've
On Monday 02 May 2005 20:24, Ian Bicking wrote:
Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
Do you guys know of any other really solid JavaScript libraries?
There's also LivePage, but I don't know that it's very well documented.
Ditto Rails' prototype. I strongly prefer Javascript that is
I was meaning to look into Sarissa (http://sarissa.sourceforge.net/doc/) which
was mentioned somewhere at some point fairly recently. It doesn't interact
with specific server-side functionality, but we can whip that up quite
easily, can't we? ;-)
Wouldn't it be interesting if the web-sig
what kind of features are you looking for in these javascript libraries ?
I see sarissa is just the XMLHttpRequest method tied to writing the guts
of DOM objects, and then some more elaborate DOM inspection methods that
seem less useful.
it seems to me that the server-neutral javascript part of
mike bayer wrote:
what kind of features are you looking for in these javascript libraries ?
I see sarissa is just the XMLHttpRequest method tied to writing the guts
of DOM objects, and then some more elaborate DOM inspection methods that
seem less useful.
it seems to me that the
Ian Bicking wrote:
Incidentally, the Rails people felt pretty strongly that innerHTML was
the way to go, because DOM manipulation is hard to maintain, and
innerHTML is very consistent across browsers.
I had problems with innerHTML in pages served as application/xhtml+xml
-- it doesn't work.
On 5/2/05, Shannon -jj Behrens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It sure would be nice to have a common JavaScript library that we
could all share. People are wanting this for Aquarium, but I really
don't want Aquarium to have its own JavaScript library. It's too much
of a niche within a niche. Do
Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
I was meaning to look into Sarissa (http://sarissa.sourceforge.net/doc/) which
was mentioned somewhere at some point fairly recently. It doesn't interact
with specific server-side functionality, but we can whip that up quite
easily, can't we? ;-)
Wouldn't it be
Now I am beginning to find some time for my happy workflow hacking...
and things have changed a lot, it seems. I think it's about time for
it to happen. It may seem a little bit simplistic of my part, but I
truly believe that the programmer's nirvana can only be attained when
we manage to
Hello everyone,
A long time ago (before the advent of IronPython), I wrote a small
Python module that compiled a python file to a JScript.NET file and
compiled it. Seeing as JScript and _javascript_ are very similar, I bet
this could be very helpful. See
On May 2, 2005, at 8:47 PM, Peter Hunt wrote:
I envision a world where we can write something like:
input type=button onclick=server.onButtonClick() /
And it will do a server-side RPC to the onButtonClick() method, which
could do something like this:
def onButtonClick(ctx):
I actually read the Dynamic HTML book and have a lot of good ideas on
how to make a good JavaScript library. I was just hoping I wouldn't
have to ;) I'm hoping Kupu meets my needs. JavaScript's not a bad
language. It's just very misunderstood, very abused, and a bit
undeveloped. It's really
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