Todd Grimason wrote:
...i'm coming to
the conclusion that what's lacking most on any of the number of
existing, good frameworks is just spit polish.
In other words, good docs, good tutorials, sample applications (beyond
10-liners), and yes, as much as many coders seem to distain it,
On 4/28/05, Greg Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My solution is for Guido (or someone with equivalent authority)
to appoint someone Benevolent Dictator for the Web for One Year, with
a mandate to put together something that has all the features that are
getting Rails so much attention.
Uh, just to clarify this was me, not mike, I forgot to kill that
attribution line!
* Todd Grimason [2005-04-29 12:02]:
* mike bayer [2005-04-29 11:57]:
Just to emerge from lurking for a moment, and without years of working
in the python community like you guys, it seems pretty obvious to me
Hi Jeremy; thanks for your post.
Jeremy Hylton wrote:
I don't think this is a good idea for several reasons. Let's imagine
we could go back in time four years and tell the Ruby community the
same thing: Appoint someone to research a popular new way of building
web applications and add that to
At the last Bay Piggies meeting, as well as at PyCon, Guido felt
strongly that no Python Web application framework belonged in the
Python standard library for these reasons:
o The release schedule for such a library doesn't match the release
schedule of Python. Imagine having to wait a year
Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:
When I came to IronPort, I had to act as such a benevolent dictator,
or rather, a benevolent concensus builder...Note, I'm not trying to force
Aquarium on *anybody*. I wrote it because I needed it. I open
sourced it because I like sharing.
To add to JJ's background on
A.M. Kuchling wrote:
On Mon, Apr 18, 2005 at 05:01:41PM +1000, Anthony Baxter wrote:
If you spell it wrong, you either
get a broken web application with no useful traceback, or else a
monstously hideous traceback that's almost entirely useless.
This is also part of why I've never been able to
Greg Wilson wrote:
Paul Boddie wrote:
...I firmly believe in unbundling templating languages from frameworks.
But doesn't that just make more work for the poor sods who are trying to
build things? After all, they have to rebundle them, don't they?
I think there's a difference between
Martijn Faassen wrote:
I've sighed a few times the last months when I ran into more and more
Python-based schema and form frameworks. I developed Formulator for Zope
2 pretty early on, and was involved in 2002 in setting up Zope 3's
schema framework, so I've contributed to the problem. In the
On Wednesday 13 April 2005 23:05, Martijn Faassen wrote:
Buggy? I don't think ZCML is buggy. Where's that coming from?
I wouldn't say ZCML is *buggy* as such, but it _is_ an utter pain
in the arse to debug and get right. If you spell it wrong, you either
get a broken web application with no
Amen. I don't mean to slam the work of any web framework developers,
but you can't overestimate how much it helps just-beginning web
developers to see a unified framework, or at least a good website that
directs them to one particular way to do things.
this is what i dont understand;
- I agree completely, that's why I'm adding yet another framework to
the mix! (I'm waiting for someone to stand up at PyCon and say,
Web App People's Front? We're the People's Front of Web Apps!)
I think the term framework is becoming a little vague as well. there is
the notion of
mike bayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the term framework is becoming a little vague as well.
there is the notion of framework as, the entire front-to-back
approach to serve HTTP requests via Python, then there is the
architectural approach that is used on top of an existing web API,
and
On Apr 15, 2005, at 2:49 PM, Ian Bicking wrote:
Greg Wilson wrote:
Paul Boddie wrote:
...I firmly believe in unbundling templating languages from
frameworks.
But doesn't that just make more work for the poor sods who are trying
to build things? After all, they have to rebundle them, don't
Hey,
Not much debate from me here on this front, just a lot of agreement.
Ian Bicking wrote:
Martijn Faassen wrote:
[...]
One issue seems to be that Python programmers are automatically
allergic to domain specific glue languages like ZCML, especially when
they look like XML. I think this
Buggy? I don't think ZCML is buggy. Where's that coming from?
Sorry, didn't mean to knock ZCML specifically. I meant to say that
use of XML is inherently buggy when people have to edit it with a text
editor, because of the bad syntax. I have the same gripe with the XUL
used by Firefox.
my own project, Myghty, is modeled after Perl's HTML::Mason, which in
turn is a lot like PHP with regards to just plug it in and start
writing pages. it does foster a more compentized design than PHP and
also integrates nicely into whatever MVC framework the developer
chooses. Myghty
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