Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-20 Thread Jean-Baptiste Quenot
Hi Jonathan, What is the result of the vote then? Or was it just a poll? Seems like many users expressed the wish to remove that feature. Is there a JIRA issue for that? Thanks, -- Jean-Baptiste Quenot aka John Banana Qwerty http://caraldi.com/jbq/ -

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-15 Thread Juergen Donnerstag
wicket:container is available for 2.x. Juergen On 2/14/07, Rüdiger Schulz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jonathan Locke schrieb: > > > [X] Delete this unimportant and generally unsupported feature > > [ ] Keep , but define its limits, document it on the wiki > > as fully supported and commit to s

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-14 Thread Rüdiger Schulz
Jonathan Locke schrieb: > [X] Delete this unimportant and generally unsupported feature > [ ] Keep , but define its limits, document it on the wiki > as fully supported and commit to supporting it in the future and a +1 for wicket:pseudo / wicket:container as well ;) Greetings, Rüdiger -

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-14 Thread Erik van Oosten
Hi, I vote either: [X] Keep , but define its limits, document it on the wiki as fully supported and commit to supporting it in the future or [X] Delete this unimportant and generally unsupported feature with the amendment that the case below is supported in some other way Like Timo I am using

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-14 Thread Shawn Tumey
[X] Delete this unimportant and generally unsupported feature On 2/13/07, Jonathan Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Our Wiki describes the wicket:component tag as follows: " - Creates a Wicket component on the fly. Needs a class attribute. Though this has been in wicket for a long time, it i

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-14 Thread Jonathan Locke
yep. yep. yep. could not have said it better. it takes real effort to restrain a maturing project from collapsing under its own weight. *less is more* Ryan Holmes wrote: > > As a long-time Tapestry user (but very new Wicket user), I have a few > thoughts about in-line component declar

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-14 Thread De Soca
Stability and consistency is paramount in a good framework - delete. Jonathan Locke wrote: > > > Our Wiki describes the wicket:component tag as follows: > > " - Creates a Wicket component on the fly. Needs a class > attribute. Though this has been in wicket for a long time, it is still > kind

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-14 Thread Marc-Andre Houle
Didn't know about it before, so can't see a possible use case where it is necessary +1 remove. On 2/14/07, Frank Bille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/14/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 2/14/07, Ryan Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As a long-time Tapestry user (

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-14 Thread Frank Bille
On 2/14/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 2/14/07, Ryan Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a long-time Tapestry user (but very new Wicket user), I have a few > thoughts about in-line component declaration. > > 1.) Even in a framework like Tapestry where the idiom is fully > s

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-14 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 2/14/07, Ryan Holmes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a long-time Tapestry user (but very new Wicket user), I have a few > thoughts about in-line component declaration. > > 1.) Even in a framework like Tapestry where the idiom is fully > supported, it can lead to complex and difficult to maintain

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-14 Thread Ryan Holmes
As a long-time Tapestry user (but very new Wicket user), I have a few thoughts about in-line component declaration. 1.) Even in a framework like Tapestry where the idiom is fully supported, it can lead to complex and difficult to maintain templates. In fact, it's generally discouraged in Tap

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-13 Thread Nino Wael
I've havent used this feature.. And currently see no use for it. As long as one of the options are done, im happy:) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Locke Sent: 13. februar 2007 17:48 To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject:

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-13 Thread Timo Rantalaiho
If wicket:component goes, please add wicket:pseudo http://www.nabble.com/%3Cwicket%3Apseudo%3E-tf2881952.html#a8052462 to be able to keep e.g. this kind of repeater markup valid when producing HTML tables with repeaters. - Timo -- Timo Rantalaiho Reaktor Innovations Oyhttp://www.r

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-13 Thread Jonathan Locke
I don't mind keeping it. We just ought to restrict/define its usage precisely and advertise that we support that usage. Personally, I think the only reasonable usage is to instantiate a component that (a) takes no parameters and (b) is never referenced in the Java code. That would make sense.

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-13 Thread Eelco Hillenius
> [ ] Delete this unimportant and generally unsupported feature > [ ] Keep , but define its limits, document it on the wiki > as fully supported and commit to supporting it in the future -0. I don't care much about this feature, but it's not in my way either. It's been in the project for over 2

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-13 Thread Martijn Dashorst
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Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-13 Thread Johan Compagner
i don't care to much, but i don't plan on supporting it at this time (personally) But maybe some comes up with a GREAT usecase? so +0 I do agree a bit that we maybe should say, it is really supported if we keep it. johan On 2/13/07, Jonathan Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Our Wiki descr

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE on wicket:component

2007-02-13 Thread Juergen Donnerstag
[X] Delete this unimportant and generally unsupported feature Juergen On 2/13/07, Jonathan Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Our Wiki describes the wicket:component tag as follows: > > " - Creates a Wicket component on the fly. Needs a class > attribute. Though this has been in wicket for a

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Erik van Oosten
With those names I am changing my vote to +1. Erik. Jonathan Locke wrote: > what do you think of gustav and eelco's IModelLocator / get/setModel idea? > > -- Erik van Oosten http://day-to-day-stuff.blogspot.com/ -

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 1/23/07, James McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1/23/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > getModelValue would have been better than getModelObject yeah. That > > said, imo (and I have stated this before), I think having those > > methods in the first place is distractin

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread James McLaughlin
On 1/23/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: getModelValue would have been better than getModelObject yeah. That said, imo (and I have stated this before), I think having those methods in the first place is distracting, as it doesn't push people in the direction of just letting the com

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Frank Silbermann
r IModelWrapper are not ambiguous (as is "ModelObject"), and avoids overloading the word "Model". -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Locke Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:55 AM To: wicket-user@lists.source

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Jonathan Locke
e that process is understood, multiple levels of > wrapping should not be too difficult to understand.) > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan > Locke > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:35 AM > To: wicke

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Jonathan Locke
Yeah, the only real argument for that method other than brevity is that you could override it. It would be unreliable outside the core though and I can't think of a reason to do that offhand. Eelco Hillenius wrote: > > getModelValue would have been better than getModelObject yeah. That > said,

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Frank Silbermann
n Behalf Of Jonathan Locke Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:35 AM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change yeah. i agree. if we did anything it would be better to change IModel as i said, but then just depreca

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Jonathan Locke
geez, this makes so much sense like this! ;-) Eelco Hillenius wrote: > > Agreed. We have been discussing that in the past as well. > IModelLocator for instance might have been a better name. And > IModelLocator could then have get/setModel, as that's the real model > value you're looking at.

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Eelco Hillenius
getModelValue would have been better than getModelObject yeah. That said, imo (and I have stated this before), I think having those methods in the first place is distracting, as it doesn't push people in the direction of just letting the components and models work directly for them. Eelco On 1/23

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Jonathan Locke
yes. that is the major concern. for now, eelco could put a callout box in the book with a warning about this ambiguity. we could also do the same in the javadoc for getModel() and getModelObject() so any rare people who actually read the docs won't be lost. igor.vaynberg wrote: > > it woul

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Jonathan Locke
You make a good point. Something like IModelLocator would be a clearer name for IModel. then its methods could be called get/setModel. As you point out, IModel is only the model from the framework's perspective. From the user's it is a model locator and the actual model is the object returne

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Agreed. We have been discussing that in the past as well. IModelLocator for instance might have been a better name. And IModelLocator could then have get/setModel, as that's the real model value you're looking at. Eelco On 1/23/07, Gustavo Hexsel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +0 for changing, exc

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Igor Vaynberg
it would be Component.getModelValue() not Component.getModelObject() i think. what this disambiguates is what object you are referring to. the problem is that IModel impl itself is an object, so when you say component.getModelObject() what do you really want? the model object or the object inside

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Jonathan Locke
yeah. i agree. if we did anything it would be better to change IModel as i said, but then just deprecate getModelObject() and add a preferred version as getModelValue() as johan suggested. this would only break code that directly uses IModel (a more limited number of users). Eelco Hillenius

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I voted -1, but here is my opinion about the change proper. > public interface IModel extends IDetachable > { > V getValue(); > void setValue(V value); > } This would be for the better imo, though I don't hate the original getObject *that* much. It's just what you are used to and I think docu

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Gustavo Hexsel
+0 for changing, except not sure it's what Johnathan suggested. My problem is with using the word Model at all for the objects that access model properties (maybe they should be ModelAccessors, ModelExposer, ModelAdaptor, ModelBridge, ModelConnector, or something along the lines... then Reflection

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Matthijs Wensveen
+1 Don't know if my vote counts or not, but anyway. I'm one of those users that had trouble with the ambiguity between model object (as in the IModel instance) and modelObject (the object contained by the model). Worse, In my project's team all the modelObjects were classes with the naming conv

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Scott Swank
-1 for changing the method signature +1 for more model examples particularly contextual ones, i.e. with a form you often use the form component itself as the model (I can work on this if things go as I hope with our web ui proofs of concept -- otherwise I'll be off learning JSF) On 1/23/07, Eelco

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Eelco Hillenius
-1. Regardless of whether the change is for the better, it will break way too much existing code not to mention the tutorials on the internet etc. Eelco On 1/22/07, Jonathan Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > i'd like us to vote on changing IModel to this in 2.0 (i know it's very > late, but

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Marc-Andre Houle
If it is user opinion wanted, for what I am it is -1. I would be please with the change if I used wicket for a home hobby of making something easy. But the problem is that I'm working in a production environment. Every thing that will make 2.0 migration harder will make sure that it will not g

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Otan
On 23/01/07, Jonathan Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... in fact, that term is actually ambiguous since the object implementing IModel might be informally understood to be the model object (which is not what we mean)... You're very right. This is the major contributor to my confusion abou

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Nino Wael
Im -1. As most of my models holds objects and not "value", I've had no problem understanding this part of the IModel. I must admit that I may be blind to this because im used to the current naming, and have been working with it for so long. I guess the new users would be the ones best to tell

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-23 Thread Johan Compagner
We already have a getValue on formcomponent that is the input value from the request or the model object as a string (just the latest value) So then that also has to be renamed. (and relearned) I think getModelObject() is just what it says. (besides the getModel() call we also have!) else it shou

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: IModel and 'model object' name change

2007-01-22 Thread Ali Zaid
-1 I'm sorry, although I totally understand your argument, and how it may help new users, but this will break already written code, will not add additional level of functionality, and really it's just a matter of reading to understand how IModel works, I did have difficulties when I started to un

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-04 Thread Johan Compagner
But this:i really don't like.That is worsed of both worlds. You still don't have default/preview but you do have an extra input attribute to parse. Ok knowing that something must be i18n is easier.But you are right about that it looks neather when with multiply attributes.But this should also work

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-04 Thread Jean-Baptiste Quenot
1 [ ] 2 [X] > If you want to express it without a default value, that would be written as: And if Wicket is going to support multiple attributes: -- Jean-Baptiste Quenot aka John Banana Qwerty http://caraldi.com/jbq/ --

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-04 Thread Matej Knopp
1 [X] Btw. We are using ${key} everywhere (customized markup parsing) and it's much more convenient than wicket:message :-) -Matej Eelco Hillenius wrote: > For localized attributes - so that you don't have to attach attribute > modifiers all over the place for that sole reason - we have two >

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-04 Thread Joni Freeman
On Fri, 2006-08-04 at 08:50 +0200, Korbinian Bachl wrote: > thus im quite new, > > 2[x] > > be ** up (hopefully...) by your next designer who changed the text so it > looks better... This a good point, with option 1 it is likely that designers touch the value-attribute. In option 2, it doe

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Korbinian Bachl
thus im quite new, 2[x] as its the only way to have a preview wich works in WYSIWYG editors and wont be ** up (hopefully...) by your next designer who changed the text so it looks better... > On 8/3/06, Dirk Markert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2 [x] > > > > 2006/8/3, Eelco Hillenius <

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Igor Vaynberg
he is a witch! throw him in the lake! if he floats that will prove he is a witch and then we burn him. if he drowns he wasnt a witch, we let him go.-IgorOn 8/3/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey, you cheat! You voted twice! :)Eelco --

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Hey, you cheat! You voted twice! :) Eelco On 8/3/06, Nick Heudecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2 [X] > > > On 8/3/06, MK Tan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2 [X] > > > > --- Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > For localized attributes - so that you don't have to > > > attach a

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Imran M Yousuf
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Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread JK
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Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread JFC
2 - Original Message - From: Dirk Markert To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work? 2 [x] 2006/8/3, Eelco Hillenius <[EM

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Scott Swank
2 [x] On 8/3/06, Dirk Markert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2 [x] > > 2006/8/3, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > For localized attributes - so that you don't have to attach attribute > > modifiers all over the place for that sole reason - we have two > > alternative approaches in mind. For

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Dirk Markert
2 [x]2006/8/3, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: For localized attributes - so that you don't have to attach attributemodifiers all over the place for that sole reason - we have twoalternative approaches in mind. For end-users this would either looklike: 1) which is compact, or2) which works be

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Nick Heudecker
2 [X]On 8/3/06, MK Tan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 2 [X]--- Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> For localized attributes - so that you don't have to> attach attribute> modifiers all over the place for that sole reason - > we have two> alternative approaches in mind. For end-users this> would

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread MK Tan
2 [X] --- Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For localized attributes - so that you don't have to > attach attribute > modifiers all over the place for that sole reason - > we have two > alternative approaches in mind. For end-users this > would either look > like: > > 1) > > which i

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

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Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Mats Norén
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Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

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Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Nick Heudecker
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Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Gwyn Evans
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Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Wilko Hische
2 [x] Wilko -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/VOTE%3A-how-should-localized-attributes-work--tf2047179.html#a5639800 Sent from the Wicket - User forum at Nabble.com. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influenc

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Eelco Hillenius
All votes count for this thread as far as I am concerned. Eelco On 8/3/06, Scott Sauyet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you want the opinion of non-committers, here's a strong preference for > > 2 [X] > > The thought of seeing the "wicket..." text in preview mode really goes > against the grain t

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Scott Sauyet
If you want the opinion of non-committers, here's a strong preference for 2 [X] The thought of seeing the "wicket..." text in preview mode really goes against the grain to me. -- Scott Eelco Hillenius wrote: > For localized attributes - so that you don't have to attach attribute > modifiers

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Yeah, but we have to choose a default here. Unless you want to support those two options at the same time. Eelco On 8/3/06, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if we have to choose for one then 2 > but i think we can support both, i think it can just be a > markupfilter/parser implement

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Johan Compagner
if we have to choose for one then 2but i think we can support both, i think it can just be a markupfilter/parser implementation per option.johanOn 8/3/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For localized attributes - so that you don't have to attach attributemodifiers all over the place fo

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Igor Vaynberg
1 [x]-IgorOn 8/3/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For localized attributes - so that you don't have to attach attributemodifiers all over the place for that sole reason - we have twoalternative approaches in mind. For end-users this would either looklike: 1) which is compact, or2) wh

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Pierre-Yves Saumont
2 [x] Eelco Hillenius a écrit : > For localized attributes - so that you don't have to attach attribute > modifiers all over the place for that sole reason - we have two > alternative approaches in mind. For end-users this would either look > like: > > 1) > > which is compact, or > > 2) > >

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: how should localized attributes work?

2006-08-03 Thread Joni Freeman
2 previewability is one of wicket's strong features Joni On Thu, 2006-08-03 at 11:10 -0700, Eelco Hillenius wrote: > For localized attributes - so that you don't have to attach attribute > modifiers all over the place for that sole reason - we have two > alternative approaches in mind. For end-u

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: ListView.setUseOptimizedItemRemoval()

2006-04-22 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I'm not sure setReuseItems is the best name, but I not a friend of setUseOptimizedItemRemoval. Eelco On 4/21/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 > > we can deprecate the existing one and have it forward to the new one as not > to break the api. then remove the deprecated method once

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: ListView.setUseOptimizedItemRemoval()

2006-04-22 Thread Igor Vaynberg
doneOn 4/22/06, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 depricate the oldOn 4/21/06, Juergen Donnerstag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1On 4/21/06, Martijn Dashorst < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:> +1>>> On 4/21/06, Vincent Jenks <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:> > +1 - it's certainly easier on the eye

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: ListView.setUseOptimizedItemRemoval()

2006-04-22 Thread Johan Compagner
+1 depricate the oldOn 4/21/06, Juergen Donnerstag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1On 4/21/06, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:> +1>>> On 4/21/06, Vincent Jenks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > +1 - it's certainly easier on the eyes.> > > > On 4/21/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: ListView.setUseOptimizedItemRemoval()

2006-04-21 Thread Juergen Donnerstag
+1 On 4/21/06, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 > > > On 4/21/06, Vincent Jenks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > +1 - it's certainly easier on the eyes. > > > > On 4/21/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > +1 > > > > > > we can deprecate the existing one and have it for

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: ListView.setUseOptimizedItemRemoval()

2006-04-21 Thread Martijn Dashorst
+1On 4/21/06, Vincent Jenks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 - it's certainly easier on the eyes.On 4/21/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> +1>> we can deprecate the existing one and have it forward to the new one as not > to break the api. then remove the deprecated method once 1.2 is out

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: ListView.setUseOptimizedItemRemoval()

2006-04-21 Thread Vincent Jenks
+1 - it's certainly easier on the eyes. On 4/21/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 > > we can deprecate the existing one and have it forward to the new one as not > to break the api. then remove the deprecated method once 1.2 is out of the > door. > > -Igor > > > > On 4/21/06, coww

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: ListView.setUseOptimizedItemRemoval()

2006-04-21 Thread Igor Vaynberg
+1we can deprecate the existing one and have it forward to the new one as not to break the api. then remove the deprecated method once 1.2 is out of the door.-Igor On 4/21/06, cowwoc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I vote in favor of renaming setUseOptimizedItemRemoval() tosetReuseItems() becaus

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: One refactor to do in 1.2 if possible: String Param or Returntype to its interface CharSequence..

2006-04-01 Thread Johan Compagner
I think i have it all in now.There isn't much outside used api touched because if i just look what lines i needed to change over all the contrib libs (didn't check those in yet)it where only a very few and it was just adding toString() or changing String to CharSequence. And also another project ir

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: One refactor to do in 1.2 if possible: String Param or Returntype to its interface CharSequence..

2006-04-01 Thread Martijn Dashorst
+1, not breaking existing 1.1 api's.MartijnOn 4/1/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:+1 for now.EelcoOn 4/1/06, Johan Compagner < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Currently almost all our interfaces that makes the output or Response> writing code are using Strings> as parameters or return typ

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: One refactor to do in 1.2 if possible: String Param or Returntype to its interface CharSequence..

2006-04-01 Thread Eelco Hillenius
+1 for now. Eelco On 4/1/06, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Currently almost all our interfaces that makes the output or Response > writing code are using Strings > as parameters or return types > > I would like to change all those methods to use Charsequence because this > would m

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: One refactor to do in 1.2 if possible: String Param or Returntype to its interface CharSequence..

2006-04-01 Thread Juergen Donnerstag
+1 for now. For all new 1.2 interfaces and methods and for internal methods (incl. pre 1.2). Did we add replaceComponentTagBody in 1.2? If not, that should not (yet) be changed. Especially as I can imagine that this function is used by some users. Juergen On 4/1/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: One refactor to do in 1.2 if possible: String Param or Returntype to its interface CharSequence..

2006-04-01 Thread Johan Compagner
if it is it is a final methodso it doesn't matter it can only be called onso calling it with the same code that is a string just compiles fineand you can't override it (that would be a problem because then they also need to change the signature) johanOn 4/1/06, Juergen Donnerstag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE: One refactor to do in 1.2 if possible: String Param or Returntype to its interface CharSequence..

2006-04-01 Thread Igor Vaynberg
+1 to do it now. if this does affect 1.2 only interfaces a lot then we should do this before we actually release those interfaces into the wild. -Igor On 4/1/06, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Currently almost all our interfaces that makes the output or Response writing code are using

Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-22 Thread Igor Vaynberg
i havent thought about it /that/ much. but for example if you have a factory, the factory will need to be refactored.also situations where you are creating components but not yet adding them to the parent will have to be refactored to work differently. although i think this is an edge case. -IgorOn

Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-22 Thread Eelco Hillenius
Which ones? Do we have a list? Eelco On 2/22/06, Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > an easy fix in /most/ cases. there will be situations that are harder to fix > then others. > > -Igor > > > > On 2/22/06, Eelco Hillenius < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > assuming that the constructo

Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-22 Thread Igor Vaynberg
an easy fix in /most/ cases. there will be situations that are harder to fix then others.-IgorOn 2/22/06, Eelco Hillenius < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> assuming that the constructor changes are an unusually severe break in > the API.It's a severe break indeed. BUT to the upside, with a very easy fix

Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-22 Thread Eelco Hillenius
> assuming that the constructor changes are an unusually severe break in > the API. It's a severe break indeed. BUT to the upside, with a very easy fix. It's just big because it'll break most of your code instead of just a few areas. Eelco ---

RE: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-22 Thread Frank Silbermann
changes are an unusually severe break in the API. /Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eelco Hillenius Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:15 AM To: wicket-user@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user]

Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-22 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I agree with Johan here. I want to start discussing it on the admin list shortly. But it looks like there are enough for 2 - not the majority, but enough - to make seperate releases. We should decide on whether 1.2. (we might call that version differently actually, but that's another question) or 1

Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-22 Thread karthik Guru
and yeah more expected to come in :) On 2/22/06, karthik Guru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok for the benefit of others, the summary of vote that actually matters - . > > Igor - 1 > Johan - 2 > Eelco - 1 > > So , > > 2 votes for both at once (constructor and JDK5) > 1 vote for split releases > -

Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-22 Thread karthik Guru
Ok for the benefit of others, the summary of vote that actually matters - . Igor - 1 Johan - 2 Eelco - 1 So , 2 votes for both at once (constructor and JDK5) 1 vote for split releases --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you

Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-22 Thread Johan Compagner
and we could interpreted the results this way that there are still quite a number of persons that can't use 1.5 yet.So it is not a pure democratic vote but just the get a feeling how many people would be really set backed by directly 1.5I still believe that you can live without it, but you can't l

Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-22 Thread Martijn Dashorst
The vote isn't officially closed. We didn't set a time limit at beforehand. It is probably dead though :)In this case, the vote was NON-binding. That basically means that the core team can do whatever we want, ignoring everything and build Wicket 2 on dolphin (Java 7). Surpise! We haven't started d

Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-22 Thread karthik Guru
Is the voting officially closed ? :) and does that mean 'constructor and JDK5' will come packaged as one release wicket 2.0? On 2/21/06, Al Maw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alexandru Popescu wrote: > > I know that this might be early considering the lenght of the thread, > > but what is the voting

Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-21 Thread Jesper Preuss
It's not about not wanting to go for Java 1.5. But more a I can't or my company can't. I have no choice here. On 2/21/06, Christian Hvid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am one for a move to Java 5 as fast as possible. > > From my perspective Wicket is a young framework and if we are > adventurousl

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE

2006-02-20 Thread Joshua Lim
+1 1. Give me the constructor change and the Java 5 functionality in one pass (Wicket 2.0)

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE

2006-02-20 Thread Jan Mikkelsen
My vote goes to 1. > > 1. Give me the constructor change and the Java 5 functionality in one > pass (Wicket 2.0) > 2. Do the constructor change in a seperate release (Wicket 1.3) and > put Java 5 in the next (Wicket 2.0) > 3. I don't want either one and I want to stay on Wicket 1.2. > ---

Re: Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-20 Thread Christian Hvid
I am one for a move to Java 5 as fast as possible. From my perspective Wicket is a young framework and if we are adventurously enough to choose Wicket, we are adventurously enough to be on Java 5. On 21 Feb 2006, at 00:27, Al Maw wrote: Alexandru Popescu wrote: I know that this might be

Results so far (was Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE)

2006-02-20 Thread Al Maw
Alexandru Popescu wrote: I know that this might be early considering the lenght of the thread, but what is the voting result? :-). So far I count: 40 votes for both at once (constructor and JDK5) 17 votes for split releases (16 plus me, I'm voting now. :-) ) Al --

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE

2006-02-20 Thread Justin Lee
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Good news. We've just decided you're not trolls. bahrahrhum. Alexandru Popescu wrote: > I know that this might be early considering the lenght of the thread, > but what is the voting result? :-). > > BR, > > ./alex > -- > .w( the_mindstorm )p

Re: [Wicket-user] VOTE

2006-02-20 Thread Alexandru Popescu
I know that this might be early considering the lenght of the thread, but what is the voting result? :-). BR, ./alex -- .w( the_mindstorm )p. On 2/17/06, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > This is a non-binding (the developers ultimately decide) call votes > concerning whe

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