Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-13 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Aarti K. Dwivedi ellydwivedi2...@gmail.com wrote: If I am not wrong, as of today, most books that were born digital, are still under copyright. Of course, they are available freely on the internet. But we can't use the pirated copies. How would we go about the

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-12 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM, billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.comwrote: If you are talking about how we represent digitally prepared text with the validation process. I would have no issue with the text being ripped and having a bot run through and taking it straight to level 4 (green), and

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-12 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Thibaut Horel thibaut.ho...@gmail.comwrote: 3. The current system with 4 quality levels to represent the proofreading state of a page is not sufficient to represent the diversity of proofreading scenarios. Indeed, there is a distinction to make between the

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-12 Thread David Cuenca
I think everything is doable, the problem is how to do it without cluttering the interface and keeping things simple. Some levels might be redundant and we could take the chance to think if they are really necessary. Some proposed changes: - Proofread page levels: Unused, Proofread, Proofread

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-12 Thread Aarti K. Dwivedi
If I am not wrong, as of today, most books that were born digital, are still under copyright. Of course, they are available freely on the internet. But we can't use the pirated copies. How would we go about the procurement of these books? If we procure these copyrighted books, then the only we

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-12 Thread Alex Brollo
When we tried to convert into wiki code (a needed step to add links and to convert files into a wiki hypertext) a pdf file, that's a opaque, closed format, such a work turned off in a nightmare. If we simply load free pdf books as they are, I don't see any advantage, but feed wikisource

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-11 Thread Thomas PT
outputs automatically metadata and navigation from the index page TOC (but it allows also to override data). Tpt Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 01:33:39 +0200 From: alex.bro...@gmail.com To: wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-11 Thread Andrea Zanni
: alex.bro...@gmail.com To: wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages I'm going to test what you are telling in a real Lua script; as you know, Lua can read the code of any page with one expensive server function only, so

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-11 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Thomas PT thoma...@hotmail.fr wrote: Sorry if my answer is off-topic but if metadata are stored in WIkidata, is it really needed to create index pages to store the same data as Wikidata? As I see the things, we'll have bibliographical metadata on Wikidata

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-11 Thread Alex Brollo
You're right Aubrey nevertheless while promoving a user friendly interface the result is that data and wiki code is extremely difficult to use as a clean data base. Think only to wiki markup and the simple trick to mark bold and italic text with apostophes very user friendly, but something

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-11 Thread billinghurst
On Tue, 11 Jun 2013 12:16:54 +0530, Aarti K. Dwivedi ellydwivedi2...@gmail.com wrote: A slighly off-topic question: Even if we modify the extension to proofread books which do not have scans( I am assuming books that were born digital ), against what will these books be proofread? I am not

[Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-10 Thread David Cuenca
With the deployment of Wikidata it is a good moment to re-examine what Index pages are and what should be their function. The most direct transition to a Wikidata-supported Wikisource could be something like this: https://sites.google.com/site/dacuetu/BookData.pdf That would allow: - to share

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-10 Thread David Cuenca
@Alex: but what do you think of storing the source information in Index: pages for all works stored in Wikisource, even if they don't have a supporting scan? That was the original question :) About your proposed library, it would be more useful if it could modify data in Wikidata, not only

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-10 Thread Alex Brollo
Simply there is no need to store data twice or more, if they are dinamically imported from wikidata. Such data would be simply generated by a normal template. Something similar to Commons media sharing: most wikipedians but beginners know that when you want to edit a shared media file, you must do

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-10 Thread David Cuenca
No, it won't be stored in Wikisource, but still there is the need to present the information in a consistent manner. If you want to display the information on ns0, you will end up needing the same fields that the Index: page is using now. So why not to have the same solution for both? It could

Re: [Wikisource-l] About texts without supporting files and Index: pages

2013-06-10 Thread Alex Brollo
I'm going to test what you are telling in a real Lua script; as you know, Lua can read the code of any page with one expensive server function only, so that a simple {{header|index name}} ns0 template call could read all the wiki code from index page, parse it, extract all its data content, and