Firefox 3.5 will be launching this summer (betas available now!) and
will include support for downloading and using regular TrueType and
OpenType fonts referenced from a style sheet:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/CSS/@font-face
This is also supported in Safari 3.1 and later, and apparently b
On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
> It might be helpful for some language wikis to link in a free font this
> way, when standard fonts supporting their script are often unavailable.
> Right now on such sites there tends to be a little English link at the
> top such as 'font help
On Mon, 4 May 2009, Brion Vibber wrote:
>
> It might be helpful for some language wikis to link in a free font this
> way, when standard fonts supporting their script are often unavailable.
> Right now on such sites there tends to be a little English link at the
> top such as 'font help' leading to
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Remember the dot
wrote:
> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Brion Vibber wrote:
>
>> It might be helpful for some language wikis to link in a free font this
>> way, when standard fonts supporting their script are often unavailable.
>> Right now on such sites there t
Hoi,
Would this also be a solution for the problem we have with supporting
languages like Lingala ? The standard Latin fonts do not suffice.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/5/5 Brion Vibber
> Firefox 3.5 will be launching this summer (betas available now!) and
> will include support for downloading a
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:50 AM, K. Peachey wrote:
> That might cause issues and such since most creators want their
> readmes and such stored with them (and i've seen a few free ones with
> additonal rules against using in webpages as such so we would need to
> be aware of that as well),
Those w
Brion Vibber wrote:
> It might be helpful for some language wikis to link in a free font this
> way, when standard fonts supporting their script are often unavailable.
> Right now on such sites there tends to be a little English link at the
> top such as 'font help' leading to a page like this t
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> Brion Vibber wrote:
> > It might be helpful for some language wikis to link in a free font this
> > way, when standard fonts supporting their script are often unavailable.
> > Right now on such sites there tends to be a little English link
Hoi,
Do you agree with me that a font is superior when it has a better coverage?
In my opinion the only thing that really counts is that we support the
characters of the languages we support. All the rest is ballast preventing
us from fulfilling our primary objective.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/5
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> Even more helpful: MediaWiki could determine if a page uses a rare
> character upon save and link to appropriate fonts.
The problem with this is that it means the characters may be displayed
in a different font even if the default font act
Hoi,
Sans serif is a font family. It does not mean that the font itself contains
the characters to show a language properly. As it is, I am not aware that
Lingala is supported by any modern browser in the configuration we use our
fonts in.
Thanks,
Gerard
2009/5/5 Aryeh Gregor
>
> On Tue, M
I've formally requested that TTF file uploads be enabled at
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18692
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Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
>> Even more helpful: MediaWiki could determine if a page uses a rare
>> character upon save and link to appropriate fonts.
>
> The problem with this is that it means the characters may be displayed
> in a different fon
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> body { font-family: sans-serif, glagolitic }
I don't think this actually works. sans-serif means "pick the
characters from any available sans-serif font". Anything after it
should therefore be ignored. I think. I could be wrong.
CSS2.
El 5/6/09 12:02 PM, Remember the dot escribió:
> I've formally requested that TTF file uploads be enabled at
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18692
Probably no point to that, since fonts are restricted by the same-origin
rule (at least in Firefox). They'll need to be hosted along
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:
> El 5/6/09 12:02 PM, Remember the dot escribió:
>> I've formally requested that TTF file uploads be enabled at
>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18692
>
> Probably no point to that, since fonts are restricted by the same-origin
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Remember the dot
wrote:
> Good point. Personally, I'd use the magic headers. It looks like
> "Access-Control-Allow-Origin: http://upload.wikimedia.org"; would do
> the trick.
Ah shoot, I'm sorry. That's incorrect, instead we'd have to list every
Wikimedia server in
We could also use "Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *" if hotlinking isn't
a concern. Because we don't worry about hotlinking with other file
types, this might be the best option.
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El 5/6/09 1:59 PM, Remember the dot escribió:
> We could also use "Access-Control-Allow-Origin: *" if hotlinking isn't
> a concern. Because we don't worry about hotlinking with other file
> types, this might be the best option.
More fun background on this here:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en/HTT
Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> Even more helpful: MediaWiki could determine if a page uses a rare
> character upon save and link to appropriate fonts.
Note that one interwiki in a rare font shouldn't produce a font download.
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Hoi,
What would you describe as a rare font.. There are many articles in
languages like Georgian, Kannada, Telugu or Dhihevi. There may be MANY
interwiki links to the projects in those languages.. So my question is what
makes them rare in your book ? Only one reference on a page ? What does that
do
What I believe he's saying is that if a script is only used for a
single interwiki link in a page, we shouldn't call a font for it.
If you try to view articles in that language, on the other hand, it
will of course be reasonable to call a font.
Some computers would be downloading fonts for every
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Mark Williamson wrote:
> What I believe he's saying is that if a script is only used for a
> single interwiki link in a page, we shouldn't call a font for it.
>
> If you try to view articles in that language, on the other hand, it
> will of course be reasonable to c
what license will use these downloadable fonts ?
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On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Tei wrote:
> what license will use these downloadable fonts ?
Any fonts hosted by Wikimedia would presumably need to be released
under an OSI-approved license, like all other content.
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El 5/8/09 9:32 PM, Aryeh Gregor escribió:
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Tei wrote:
>> what license will use these downloadable fonts ?
>
> Any fonts hosted by Wikimedia would presumably need to be released
> under an OSI-approved license, like all other content.
Yup. Free fonts with known so
Aryeh Gregor wrote:
> Those would, obviously, be forbidden to upload. As with any uploaded
> media, all uploaded fonts would need to be explicitly and irrevocably
> released under a free license, which means no requirements for readmes
An example (someone correct me if I'm wrong) is the SIL Open
I'd also offer my own MPH 2B Damase, although I'm not sure how it
ranks in quality compared to other fonts these days. I created it
several years ago and released it into the public domain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_Unicode_fonts#MPH_2B_Damase
Mark
2009/5/11 Tim Larson :
> Arye
El 5/11/09 4:09 PM, Mark Williamson escribió:
> I'd also offer my own MPH 2B Damase, although I'm not sure how it
> ranks in quality compared to other fonts these days. I created it
> several years ago and released it into the public domain.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_Unicode_fo
Hoi,
One way of dealing with fonts is not only providing them for real time
download but also for installation on the system. In this way we can provide
the best possible service. Also we do need a proper font for the languages
where the standard Latin fonts fail us !!
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/
that makes sense. In case of a language not covered by other fonts (if
we have any?), I'd be happy to craft a single-script font for it.
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2009/5/11 Brion Vibber :
> El 5/11/09 4:09 PM, Mark Williamson escribió:
>> I'd also offer my own MPH 2B Damase, although I'm not sure how it
>>
Στις 11-05-2009, ημέρα Δευ, και ώρα 16:15 -0700, ο/η Brion Vibber
έγραψε:
> El 5/11/09 4:09 PM, Mark Williamson escribió:
> > I'd also offer my own MPH 2B Damase, although I'm not sure how it
> > ranks in quality compared to other fonts these days. I created it
> > several years ago and released it
El 5/11/09 5:04 PM, Ariel T. Glenn escribió:
> Στις 11-05-2009, ημέρα Δευ, και ώρα 16:15 -0700, ο/η Brion Vibber
>> Since download time is a concern, we'd generally be looking for smaller
>> font sets, such as one that covers specifically the language of an
>> individual wiki, rather than high-cove
On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Ariel T. Glenn wrote:
> Except for the Wiktionaries, given that they will include lemmas from
> (eventually) all languages. For an indication of the size of the
> problem even now, folks might look at the entry for
> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dictionary ...
I
El 5/11/09 5:27 PM, Aryeh Gregor escribió:
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Ariel T. Glenn wrote:
>> Except for the Wiktionaries, given that they will include lemmas from
>> (eventually) all languages. For an indication of the size of the
>> problem even now, folks might look at the entry for
>
Brion Vibber schrieb:
> El 5/11/09 5:04 PM, Ariel T. Glenn escribió:
>> Στις 11-05-2009, ημέρα Δευ, και ώρα 16:15 -0700, ο/η Brion Vibber
>>> Since download time is a concern, we'd generally be looking for smaller
>>> font sets, such as one that covers specifically the language of an
>>> individual
I don't know about Safari, but Firefox 3.5 first renders the text and then
downloads the fonts and rerenders, if I read this correctly:
"When rendering a page using downloaded fonts, Firefox first renders using
available fonts, then updates the display as downloadable fonts are
retrieved. This all
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:16 AM, Bence Damokos wrote:
> I don't know about Safari, but Firefox 3.5 first renders the text and then
> downloads the fonts and rerenders, if I read this correctly:
Yes, that's what I understand as well. It was discussed on www-style
just a little while ago:
http://
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