On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually when I talked to freenode staff, there were quite interested
in this. They don't have so many servers and wikimedia is well known
project with established technical infrastructure. Even if they needed
root, they
In worst case our server can be delinked for that time. I believe that
wikipedia is attacked way more often than IRC networks and we are able
to resist that. (There are experts in staff, be sure)
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 8:35 AM, Sébastien Santoro
dereck...@espace-win.org wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22,
Also, giving up and leave the hackers win (despite they didn't even
start attacking us) is not really brave solution :-)
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:
In worst case our server can be delinked for that time. I believe that
wikipedia is attacked way more
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:
In worst case our server can be delinked for that time. I believe that
wikipedia is attacked way more often than IRC networks and we are able
to resist that. (There are experts in staff, be sure)
Also, giving up and leave the
This is not my strategy but worst case scenario. They attacked IRC
providers, they will likely attack them again, just as they can attack
wikipedia any time. That shouldn't be excuse to stop extending the
infrastructure or cooperation with other similar projects.
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:08 AM,
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Sébastien Santoro
dereck...@espace-win.org wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually when I talked to freenode staff, there were quite interested
in this. They don't have so many servers and wikimedia is well known
On 22 June 2012 18:47, Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org wrote:
While I am not speaking for server hardening, our network can handle
an extra 75 Mbps without a problem.
However, this is a moot point if the community decides we want to
talk, we in Operations can talk with freenode operations
The nuts'n'bolts of running an IRC server is not our strength.
I can't say I have much of an opinion either way in this discussion right
now, but I would like to point out that this need not be our strength.
Didn't someone mention earlier that we would not have to run the server, but
that
Hi,
One developer recently complained about some freenode policies,
specifically that wiki projects (wikipedia etc has some kind of
exception) are no longer allowed to be hosted on freenode network,
which is supposed to host only opensource projects. It's fact that as
the wikimedia project is
Good morning,
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
One developer recently complained about some freenode policies,
specifically that wiki projects (wikipedia etc has some kind of
exception) are no longer allowed to be hosted on freenode network,
which is
Hi, thanks for your response!
First of all, I am not the guy who complained regarding the fact wikis
are not accepted, I am just proposing another idea, but here are
answers:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Sébastien Santoro
dereck...@espace-win.org wrote:
Good morning,
On Thu, Jun 21,
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 09:35:56AM +0200, Petr Bena wrote:
One developer recently complained about some freenode policies,
specifically that wiki projects (wikipedia etc has some kind of
exception) are no longer allowed to be hosted on freenode network,
which is supposed to host only
But I am not talking about creating a new network, but providing some
of our resources to freenode. They would likely operate and manage it
without assistance from wmf ops.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Faidon Liambotis fai...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 09:35:56AM +0200,
On other hand I disagree that maintaining an irc network is so
complicated, given that we have so many volunteers who would
eventually help with that. But staying on freenode would make it
easier for us, that's true.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Faidon Liambotis fai...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:
But I am not talking about creating a new network, but providing some
of our resources to freenode. They would likely operate and manage it
without assistance from wmf ops.
(Last I saw) Freenode wants full root access on the
How many users does wikimedia's channels represent ?
It becomes more complicated to manage an IRC Network when it's necessary to
multiply servers but it's not
Le 21 juin 2012 à 14:24, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com a écrit :
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com
Petr Bena wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Sébastien Santoro
dereck...@espace-win.org wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:
One developer recently complained about some freenode policies,
specifically that wiki projects (wikipedia etc has some
Sorry, typing error. Suite inline.
Le 21 juin 2012 à 14:41, Emeric Vallespi emeric.valle...@gmail.com a écrit :
How many users does wikimedia's channels represent ?
It becomes more complicated to manage an IRC Network when it's necessary to
multiply servers however it's not very complicated
I wasn't talking about wikimedia channels but wiki projects (non
wikimedia) in relation with recent complaint from someone else
(mediawiki dev who wanted to open a channel for his wiki on freenode)
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 2:55 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Petr Bena wrote:
On Thu, Jun
Definitely it would be a bad idea to merge RC feed irc with some irc
for people. If there was any new network it would be probably
configured from scratch and unrelated to ratircd RC feed run on.
Anyway I don't think that would happen. This isn't even discussion
about that. We are discussing
Obviously some developers do feel that it's worth discussing. Not sure that we
need to stop them (Lord knows we discuss other topics to great lengths).
However I invite you to sit this one out if you disagree. Just don't cut others
off in the process.
As a good steward of the wiki community I
Is anyone from Freenode on this list or able to respond? I feel like they'd be
open to the conversation and hearing general thoughts from a designated group
even before we know what carrot we'll offer.
If any requests are a non-starter then it may not matter if we can offer
resources or not.
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Mr. Gregory Varnum
gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote:
Is anyone from Freenode on this list or able to respond? I feel like they'd
be open to the conversation and hearing general thoughts from a designated
group even before we know what carrot we'll offer.
If
Good point. There's a page on meta already / might be helpful for folks to post
there.
-Greg
Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for any typos. A more detailed response may be
sent later.
On Jun 21, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:07
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Mr. Gregory Varnum
gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote:
Is anyone from Freenode on this list or able to respond? I feel like they'd
be open to the conversation and hearing general thoughts from a designated
group even before we know what carrot we'll offer.
If
Okay - just had a long chat with some staffers in #Freenode. Here's what I've
come away with..
Essentially folks are right that this policy is very much in flux. Which leads
me to believe that some nudging from Wikimedia would be well timed.
They have agreed to reconsider WikiQueer's app -
Faidon wrote:
Setting up and properly maintaining an IRC network is extremely
complicated. We really *really* shouldn't do that, esp. since there is
no reason for us to do so, when there are other open networks around.
freenode servers are hosted, not maintained. Which means, they want the
Actually when I talked to freenode staff, there were quite interested
in this. They don't have so many servers and wikimedia is well known
project with established technical infrastructure. Even if they needed
root, they could use puppet to set up the system to their needs and
there are many folks
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