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On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 6:05 AM, Happy Melon wrote: > But > putting out nine pictures of humans and one picture of a cat and asking for > the "odd one out" is no easier to misinterpret than a squiggle that might > be a G or might be a 6. > It seems to me that putting nine pictures of humans and on

Re: [Wikitech-l] captcha idea: proposal for gnome outreach for women 14

On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 6:29 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > If you display 8 images and the user has to pick one, then even by random > guessing the attacker has a 12.5% chance of passing the captcha. That's not > good at all. Finding "all matching" is slightly better since it reduces the > gu

Re: [Wikitech-l] captcha idea: proposal for gnome outreach for women 14

On 28 February 2014 18:29, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Mansi Gokhale >wrote: > > > Then there's the issue of different interpretation. Take for example > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/File:Find-all-captcha-idea.png. Is the > second image wearing glasses? Or is

Re: [Wikitech-l] captcha idea: proposal for gnome outreach for women 14

I'm adding the design list. I talked about this recently with a couple of the designers. Matt Flaschen On 02/28/2014 12:07 PM, Mansi Gokhale wrote: hello, These are some approaches i can think of instead of a text based captcha. The image idea where users are asked to spot the odd one out l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha Idea Proposal for GSOC 2014

Your links didn't work at all, so I can't give specific comments. On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Aalekh Nigam wrote: > 1)Alphabetical order captcha:We can use Html5's drag and drop Api to list > a particular Set of images into one category .for example in the example > mentoined in the demo her

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On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > A traditional captcha using only A-Z is 1/308915776. > That should be "a traditional *6 letter* captcha using only A-Z". Sorry for the noise. -- Brad Jorsch (Anomie) Software Engineer Wikimedia Foundation _

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On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Mansi Gokhale wrote: > The image idea where users are asked to spot the odd one out like > demonstrated or find all the similar images like mentioned in > here > If you display 8 images and the user has to pick one, then ev

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha Idea Proposal for GSOC 2014

I figured out following way we can approach the project:1)Alphabetical order captcha:We can use Html5's drag and drop Api to list a particular Set of images into one category .for example in the example mentoined in the demo here ,i made a collection of diff words starting with letters A,B,C ...

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha Idea Proposal for GSOC 2014

Hi and thanks for being interested in Wikimedia! Please take a look at how your email looked to a lot of people: http://imgur.com/4OuPSyN (You can see it in our mailing list archives: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-February/074812.html ) Could you re-send it with your numbe

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I think this is an intriguing approach - particularly for use cases on mobile devices. We display captchas as necessary through MobileFrontend when they are triggered, but the mobile experience is horrible (arguably the whole captcha experience is horrible regardless of the medium, but that's anoth

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Benjamin Lees wrote: > On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:00 AM, Tim Landscheidt >wrote: > I checked out the registration form for a white supremacist forum, and they > just use reCAPTCHA. No doubt they'll be developing a CAPTJCA or CAPTMCA > soon enough. Conversely, on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Benjamin Lees wrote: > I checked out the registration form for a white supremacist forum, and they > just use reCAPTCHA. No doubt they'll be developing a CAPTJCA or CAPTMCA > soon enough. > > There are likely a number of strings that should be added to the default

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:00 AM, Tim Landscheidt wrote: > Not only that, the selection of blacklisted words may be of- > fensive itself. That doesn't seem like a problem, since the list isn't visible in the user interface. Users will not be complaining that they aren't receiving "niggardly", "co

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

"Marc A. Pelletier" wrote: >> Tyler, websites everywhere blacklist offensive words (and with some >> regularity, look and sound-alikes) from the random captcha generator... > Yes, and then we end up with the Scunthorpe problem instead. > I agree it's a little bit silly, and also a loosing prop

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > Yes, and then we end up with the Scunthorpe problem instead. > The Scunthorpe problem is not actually a problem here, because we're just limiting the CAPTCHAs we serve to users, not filtering their input. ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

On 01/01/2014 12:34 AM, George Herbert wrote: > Tyler, websites everywhere blacklist offensive words (and with some > regularity, look and sound-alikes) from the random captcha generator... Yes, and then we end up with the Scunthorpe problem instead. I agree it's a little bit silly, and also a l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

Tyler, websites everywhere blacklist offensive words (and with some regularity, look and sound-alikes) from the random captcha generator... I don't personally care, you don't, but if we offend people needlessly it's an oops. We need some elements of the site to meet Lowest Common Denominator rat

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

It's a CAPTCHA, not an article or piece of actual content. If people are actually getting offended by randomly generated CAPTCHAs I think they need to find something more worthwhile to complain about. -- Tyler Romeo On Jan 1, 2014 12:27 AM, "Benjamin Lees" wrote: > There's a blacklist that has

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

There's a blacklist that has been included with FancyCaptcha for a few months, although I don't know whether it's the same as the one the WMF uses. See https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21025 and the associated patches. ___ Wikitech-l mailin

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha filter list

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 7:05 PM, George Herbert wrote: > Just got a report and screenshot that a new user got this string for their > captcha on en.wikipedia "nigerblew" > > http://snag.gy/JpSUR.jpg > > Though several people are pointing out that Niger is a country, I think > it's reasonable to tr

Re: [Wikitech-l] CAPTCHA

On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 8:23 PM, James Heilman wrote: > Hey All > > I have someone helping me add translation done by Translators Without > Borders of key medical articles. An issue that slows the work is that > many languages require CAPTCHA to save the edits. Is their anyway > around this (ie t

Re: [Wikitech-l] CAPTCHA

On 21/03/13 08:05, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Restrictive wikis for captchas are only a handful (plus pt.wiki which is > in "permanent emergency" mode). > > For them you could request confirmed flag at >

Re: [Wikitech-l] CAPTCHA

Restrictive wikis for captchas are only a handful (plus pt.wiki which is in "permanent emergency" mode). For them you could request confirmed flag at Personally I found it easier to do the required 10,

Re: [Wikitech-l] CAPTCHA

Technically it should be possible. I believe there's a Request for permissions page or something of the sorts on meta-wiki for this purpose. Somebody with more knowledge can correct me if I'm wrong. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.wh

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:59 AM, Pau Giner wrote: > I made some mockups to illustrate some of the ideas on captchas that could > be less problematic for non-English speakers, improve the general UX and > rely on images from commons. > > - Panorama captcha: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

I made some mockups to illustrate some of the ideas on captchas that could be less problematic for non-English speakers, improve the general UX and rely on images from commons. - Panorama captcha: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Panorama-captcha-idea.png Based on tagging parts of a panorama

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga wrote: > After working on campus with new > editors in Brazil, I've checked this is a real obstacle, since most > people here cannot ready English at all. > > I'd like to know if there are plans to solve this issue - I hope I > don't soun

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Risker wrote: >> >> If the situation is as dire as it sounds, it shouldn't be difficult to find >> a few resources to throw at the problem. In a discussion like this, >> examples >> of particular problematic behavior (links!) are always most helpful to >> developers

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On 31 July 2012 22:25, MZMcBride wrote: > Risker wrote: > > Putting on my checkuser hat for a moment - yes, please please look at > > finding a different CAPTCHA process - the cross-wiki spamming by bots > that > > are able to "break" the CAPTCHA is becoming overwhelming. This issue has > > been

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

1 Август 2012 г. 6:26:02 пользователь MZMcBride (z...@mzmcbride.com) написал: Risker wrote: > Putting on my checkuser hat for a moment - yes, please please look at > finding a different CAPTCHA process - the cross-wiki spamming by bots that > are able to "break" the CAPTCHA is becoming overwhel

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

Risker wrote: > Putting on my checkuser hat for a moment - yes, please please look at > finding a different CAPTCHA process - the cross-wiki spamming by bots that > are able to "break" the CAPTCHA is becoming overwhelming. This issue has > been reported separately, and there may be a different fix

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On 31/07/12 19:53, James Forrester wrote: >> I agree. But when you're spammed to death if there's no captcha, >> you end up accepting it as a necessary evil. > > Just to jump in here, it's not actually clear that our CAPTCHAs work > at all at this point (per Tim's e-mail from last year of being ab

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On 31 July 2012 13:53, James Forrester wrote: > On 30 July 2012 15:22, Platonides wrote: > > On 30/07/12 15:28, Pau Giner wrote: > >> From the UX perspective, a captcha is always an obstacle for the > >> interaction flow. > > > > I agree. But when you're spammed to death if there's no captcha, >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On 30 July 2012 15:22, Platonides wrote: > On 30/07/12 15:28, Pau Giner wrote: >> From the UX perspective, a captcha is always an obstacle for the >> interaction flow. > > I agree. But when you're spammed to death if there's no captcha, > you end up accepting it as a necessary evil. Just to jump

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

Sounds like captchas is something you want to make plug and play, and use some external project that is evolving quickly to stay in the winning side of a arms race. Also sounds like captchas is something you want to be handled by locals, to avoid the situation a chinese wiki with a english captcha.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On 30/07/12 15:28, Pau Giner wrote: > From the UX perspective, a captcha is always an obstacle for the > interaction flow. I agree. But when you're spammed to death if there's no captcha, you end up accepting it as a necessary evil. But don't let this pessimistic view stop you from proposing new al

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

Those checkbox and honeypot captchas look like junk to me. Firstly the checkbox captcha. It relies entirely on the assumption that spambots don't have JavaScript. It also assumes that spambots won't simply get wise and throw a few regexp tests to figure out when the plugin is sitting on the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

From the UX perspective, a captcha is always an obstacle for the interaction flow. Reducing the complexity of user interaction when solving the captcha can benefit all kinds of users but also solve problems for non-English speakers. Checkbox and honeypot-based captchas avoid most of the problems o

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On 28/07/12 16:55, Everton Zanella Alvarenga wrote: > In the conclusion: > > "Contrary to the common belief, text-based CAPTCHAs can be difficult > for foreigners." > > It is worth reading and likely the same for references there in. The > first sentence is similar to what I have experience in 3

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

"Usability of CAPTCHAs Or usability issues in CAPTCHA design", Jeff Yan and Ahmad Salah El Ahmad (Newcastle University, UK) http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/jeff.yan/soups08.pdf Pages 3 and 4: "Friendly to foreigners? In theory, text-based CAPTCHAs are intuitive to world-wide users and have little

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On 27/07/12 16:31, Everton Zanella Alvarenga wrote: > 2012/7/26 Platonides : > >> Thet don't need to read English. They just need to type the letters they >> see on the image. Sure, you can have a small advantage if you know what >> letters could make a valid English word (or if you have the captc

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

2012/7/28 Max Semenik : > On 27.07.2012, 22:09 Yury wrote: > >> I think that making Russian, Korean and Arabian captcha is really bad idea. >> English keyboad layout is installed by default in all operation systems, as >> far as I know. Moreover very interesting problems can appear if this >> featu

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On 27.07.2012, 22:09 Yury wrote: > I think that making Russian, Korean and Arabian captcha is really bad idea. > English keyboad layout is installed by default in all operation systems, as > far as I know. Moreover very interesting problems can appear if this > feature would be implemented. Who wi

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

Maybe present three or four different capcha's with different scripts, requiring only one to be filled out? On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Yury Katkov wrote: > I think that making Russian, Korean and Arabian captcha is really bad idea. > English keyboad layout is installed by default in all ope

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

I think that making Russian, Korean and Arabian captcha is really bad idea. English keyboad layout is installed by default in all operation systems, as far as I know. Moreover very interesting problems can appear if this feature would be implemented. Who will decide what captcha language is used? W

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

2012/7/26 Platonides : > Thet don't need to read English. They just need to type the letters they > see on the image. Sure, you can have a small advantage if you know what > letters could make a valid English word (or if you have the captcha > dictionary installed), but a Brazilian which can read

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On 26/07/12 15:53, Everton Zanella Alvarenga wrote: > Hi all, > > how are you? I'd like to know about the possibility of solving an old > issue with CAPTCHA for Wikipedias in languages other than English. > This bug > > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5309 > > was created in 2006.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

On 26/07/12 14:58, Hunter Fernandes wrote: Is there a such thing as localized captchas? And should turning off account/ip creation throttling for events also turn off the captcha requirement? - Hunter F. It's really a matter of configuration; the core captcha code is intrinsically language-a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

Ehm, I know that I'll sound like a broken record, but look at the WikiCAPTCHA proposal: it's just a proposal, but it could address the problem "just" by fetching books from the relevant Wikisource. Links in: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/CAPTCHA Nemo __

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

Is there a such thing as localized captchas? And should turning off account/ip creation throttling for events also turn off the captcha requirement? - Hunter F. On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga wrote: > 2012/7/26 Everton Zanella Alvarenga : > >> was created in 2006. Th

Re: [Wikitech-l] Captcha for non-English speakers II

2012/7/26 Everton Zanella Alvarenga : > was created in 2006. There is a discussion here about having CAPTCHA > in other languages from February 2012 > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/51951/ Sorry, I meant 2011. -- Everton Zanella Alvarenga (also Tom) Wiki

Re: [Wikitech-l] CAPTCHA spell checker

On 06/02/11 21:39, Andrew Garrett wrote: > On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Tim Starling wrote: >> >> My original idea was to search for near matches and to provide an >> autocomplete drop-down, but the necessary UI code for that seemed a >> bit too complicated for a quick weekend project. Maybe la

Re: [Wikitech-l] CAPTCHA spell checker

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > > My original idea was to search for near matches and to provide an > autocomplete drop-down, but the necessary UI code for that seemed a > bit too complicated for a quick weekend project. Maybe later. We have the UI code already written, in p